Dave's First LED Grow Using Area 51

daveroller

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Enough of the YouTube videos already! So far the evidence sounds a little sketchy about consuming raw cannabis. One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that raw cannabis doesn't contain activated cannabinoids. It has to be heated in order to convert them to a form that fits in their receptors in the body. That's why you don't get high if you eat raw hash or pot. It has to be heated, like when it's baked in brownies or made into canna butter or smoked, etc.
 

greatbranch

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I just noticed the appearance of the dreaded white leaf tips:



Here's another shot:



I didn't see this yesterday, so I think it just happened. Yesterday the nute concentration was down to 820 ppm, after starting at 1230 ppm at last week's water change.

Is this a deficiency of Cal/Mag again?
For the last 3 weeks or so I added less Cal/Mag than I was during veg. Maybe that was a mistake. My grower's manual says that a Mag deficiency causes the leaf tips to curl upwards and turn brown.

I'm flushing the roots right now with pure water. I'll let that run until tomorrow like I usually do before refreshing the nutes.

Okay, here's a video showing the plant's canopy from different angles:

[video]http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/daveroller/media/420/Area%2051%20Project/01-20/420-2014-01-20.mp4.html[/video]

Not sure this means anything at all, but some of the new growth is a little lighter in color than the older leaves:



One more shot of the canopy for good measure:


I think you may have just minor nute burn there. I think a deficiency would show on the older leaves first as the plant pulls from them to feed the new growth (you have some spotting, but can't tell if that is from before you upped your Cal/Mag) I am still learning to read the "tea leaves", though, and look forward to what everyone else has to say.
 

PetFlora

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I definitely get high when I eat it. It's more of body high instead of head high. Also it takes ~ 10 minutes before I feel it

I suppose it could be warmed up in a pan/pot first, but my experience, that is not needed
 

Dr.J20

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^^ you two seem to be talking about decarbing/eating cannabis ; thc, in my understanding, is the cannabinoid that needs decarboxylating for its effects to be feltin their characteristic way. Hence pet's experience of a more distinct "body" "high"
 

PetFlora

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I use H-R VEG+BLOOM. When I go to 1000ppms (~ 7 days after buds set), it is for one week only then back down to 800, on the weekly drop by 100ppms. This grow I am experimenting with max of 800ppms

Here are pics of 432w hot5 and 220 led

High temps have been < 70*F for ~ 10 days. night temps ~ 55


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Dr.J20

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Thanks, Edge. I appreciate the thought, but...


  1. Where am I going to get this oil? And can I afford to drink it?
  2. I don't believe anything on YouTube.
  3. I'm always skeptical about natural cures unless there's scientific evidence that they work.
  4. It doesn't make sense to me that cannabis oil could repair spinal cord damage, but smoking or eating pot can't. You get all the cannabinoids from smoking pot, right?

But I'll keep an eye out for news stories about it. If it really works, it'll get into some journals or news articles eventually. Thanks for the thought.
as to #4, you actually burn off a lot of the cannabinoids when you smoke; check out the fuckcombustion forum for info on vaporizing and its efficacy in delivering more diverse and/or targeted cannabinoids profiles
 

greatbranch

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I definitely get high when I eat it. It's more of body high instead of head high. Also it takes ~ 10 minutes before I feel it

I suppose it could be warmed up in a pan/pot first, but my experience, that is not needed
So, PetFlora is SKINNY...lmao. 10 MINUTES????? Your metabolism is off the chart, homie...lol
 

PetFlora

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If 5'7" and 170 pounds is skinny then I am. I would opt for ability to metabolize, as I mostly eat organic, several non-meat meals each week, little to no fried foods.

We are what we eat :bigjoint:


So, PetFlora is SKINNY...lmao. 10 MINUTES????? Your metabolism is off the chart, homie...lol
 

greatbranch

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If 5'7" and 170 pounds is skinny then I am. I would opt for ability to metabolize, as I mostly eat organic, several non-meat meals each week, little to no fried foods.

We are what we eat :bigjoint:
To me it is...lol. I am not QUITE twice the person you are at 6'2", but pretty close! 10 minutes is still PDQ - but I have MORE STORAGE space than you.

If we are what we eat, and judging by my eyes, I AM CHINESE!!! :-P
 

Edge7

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Enough of the YouTube videos already! So far the evidence sounds a little sketchy about consuming raw cannabis. One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that raw cannabis doesn't contain activated cannabinoids. It has to be heated in order to convert them to a form that fits in their receptors in the body. That's why you don't get high if you eat raw hash or pot. It has to be heated, like when it's baked in brownies or made into canna butter or smoked, etc.
The process of extraction involves heating the cannabis bud brew. It will make you very sleepy if you take too much. After you view the first two videos, 90% of your questions will be answered. The Rick Simpson story is truly an amazing discovery a few years ago. It is only the effectiveness in saving thousands of peoples' lives that the medical system had left for dead that Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) has propagated through the internet and youtube. I am surprised you haven't heard of RSO until now. I can expose you to it but I can't learn it for you if you don't pursue the information. I won't be a pest about RSO unless you truly want to know more. Peace out.
 

starcraftguy1988

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Enough of the YouTube videos already! So far the evidence sounds a little sketchy about consuming raw cannabis. One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that raw cannabis doesn't contain activated cannabinoids. It has to be heated in order to convert them to a form that fits in their receptors in the body. That's why you don't get high if you eat raw hash or pot. It has to be heated, like when it's baked in brownies or made into canna butter or smoked, etc.
My experience would indicate that you do in-fact get very high when you eat cannabis its just not very entertaining to me, after having smoked cannabis in so many ways using a myriad of techniques for many years. However, In My Experience, it far surpasses smoking, lest that be oil or any concetrate, when used for sleeping or pain, as I sometimes have trouble sleeping because of back pain! But I imagine, as with most things, cannabis has nuances that are ever effecting people differently, and in that people have Many Large identifiable differences in traits that are going to be displayed when effected by cannabis, so its tough to say it will be the same for everyone is my point. also I ate hash once, only a Gram (IMO) Heavens to murgatroyd, don't do that. Not sure I know what a panic attack is, but I imagine i had one that day, My heart was racing probably like 180-200 Bpm, I was having trouble breathing and standing, and just getting my head together, and that's all i actually recall as it settled down after a while. I have to say, Great grow! Truly Gotta love that a-51 Mojo. Currently only running one, but in a month or two will likely be running All three, would be four, but it was way to much light for my space, I just get ridiculous sometimes. Good luck sir, although I doubt you'll need it!
 

daveroller

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I'll have to read up on this, but I THOUGHT I read that THC has to be converted to THC-A or THC acid or something like that to react with its receptors and that conversion is done by heating it to some degree. And I thought it was the same for CBD. But my memory is pretty bad at 54 years old. Maybe what happens is that THC reacts with the receptors differently from THC-A, but it still reacts somehow. That's just speculation on my part. I need to look this up.

PetFlora, if you get high after 10 minutes eating raw pot, you must be an alien! lol Even when I eat baked pot cookies, it usually takes 3 HOURS for me to feel the effects. My stomach isn't normal because it's affected by my paralysis, but I've read that the effects typically come on after 60-90 minutes.
 

daveroller

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The process of extraction involves heating the cannabis bud brew. It will make you very sleepy if you take too much. After you view the first two videos, 90% of your questions will be answered. The Rick Simpson story is truly an amazing discovery a few years ago. It is only the effectiveness in saving thousands of peoples' lives that the medical system had left for dead that Rick Simpson Oil (RSO) has propagated through the internet and youtube. I am surprised you haven't heard of RSO until now. I can expose you to it but I can't learn it for you if you don't pursue the information. I won't be a pest about RSO unless you truly want to know more. Peace out.
I don't want to continue this discussion on this thread any further, but thanks for all the info. OK, part of the process is heating the oil. That makes more sense to me now. I just hate the thought of juicing my precious buds. I don't grow enough to do that and I wouldn't be able to afford too much of this if I had to buy it. It does sound intriguing, though. Thanks.
 

daveroller

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I think you may have just minor nute burn there. I think a deficiency would show on the older leaves first as the plant pulls from them to feed the new growth (you have some spotting, but can't tell if that is from before you upped your Cal/Mag) I am still learning to read the "tea leaves", though, and look forward to what everyone else has to say.
I always thought that was a sign of nute burn, too, but it doesn't make sense to me that it would happen after the nute concentration DROPPED. I don't understand why it didn't happen when it was up to 1230 ppm a week ago. So I'm a little confused. Can anyone clear this up?
 

greatbranch

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I always thought that was a sign of nute burn, too, but it doesn't make sense to me that it would happen after the nute concentration DROPPED. I don't understand why it didn't happen when it was up to 1230 ppm a week ago. So I'm a little confused. Can anyone clear this up?
Well, your new growth would have received all of the attention at the expense of the old - that took a bit of time to show up in the old leaves??? <wild guess>
 

Shwagbag

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I use H-R VEG+BLOOM. When I go to 1000ppms (~ 7 days after buds set), it is for one week only then back down to 800, on the weekly drop by 100ppms. This grow I am experimenting with max of 800ppms

Here are pics of 432w hot5 and 220 led

High temps have been < 70*F for ~ 10 days. night temps ~ 55


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That sounds like a nice test feeding plan man. I hope it works great! Sounds like your environmental are pretty ideal.
 

daveroller

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Ok, here's that leaf tip picture again that I posted before my thread got sidetracked:



I always used to think this was an early sign of nute burn, but I'm confused because it appeared a whole week after the last res change. During that week the tds dropped from 1230 ppm to 820 ppm. The curled leaf tips appeared the day after the 820 ppm reading. I've seen this before on leaves somewhere, but can't find a matching photo in my pot plant problem book. I'm embarrassed to ask, but who knows what this is?

Edit: My book on pot plant problems says that a Mg deficiency can cause leaf tips to curl upwards. Is that what this is?
 

Shwagbag

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Ok, here's that leaf tip picture again that I posted before my thread got sidetracked:



I always used to think this was an early sign of nute burn, but I'm confused because it appeared a whole week after the last res change. During that week the tds dropped from 1230 ppm to 820 ppm. The curled leaf tips appeared the day after the 820 ppm reading. I've seen this before on leaves somewhere, but can't find a matching photo in my pot plant problem book. I'm embarrassed to ask, but who knows what this is?

Edit: My book on pot plant problems says that a Mg deficiency can cause leaf tips to curl upwards. Is that what this is?
PH range is good? What are you using for a pump now? i thought I remembered you saying you didn't think your pump was strong enough? What are you using for an air stone?

Ol' faithful!



I'm not a hydro guy, just thinking out loud. I know when I made teas it was always better to go big or go home. I know this is a completely different science, but most people make their teas with pumps that are inadequate and never even know it.

That said leaf curling can mean several different things including overfeeding, too much water or even not enough water. Since its hydro you have water, but do you think your water has enough oxygen? Brown tips can mean a lot of things too, so the first thing I would be sure to check is PH of the res, although I'm sure that's where you started!

 

hyroot

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that looks like the start of phos deficiency not nute burn. The tips would be reddish brown if it were nute burn plus growth would slow down.. that looks like yellowish tips.

mag def occures along the edges of the leaf fading inward a little becoming bright yellow.. a foliar of epsom salt will fix that.

phos def - foliar with kelp up nutes a a smidge
 
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