What do you think about preventing drug overdoses by legalizing drugs?

[OddBall1st]

Incarceration does not change addiction or consumption rates of illegal drugs, the entire purpose of the war on drugs, that and total eradication which is impossible.

Supporting the war on drugs means you support making criminals out of regular people and the inevitable spike in crime rates that follow

It's a proven failed policy, and only the ignorant support it

Incarceration don, t change consumption, well I knew it was avialible in jail but not on a large scale. That's news to me. If they come out and still use, well that is their choice but they did get some time without it to change. I didn't know doing illegal drug was considered regular behavior.I do it with pot but don't call it my regular behavior. I thought all pepole were regular folk until they break the law.

 

[racerboy71]

Incarceration don, t change consumption, well I knew it was avialible in jail but not on a large scale. That's news to me. If they come out and still use, well that is their choice but they did get some time without it to change. I didn't know doing illegal drug was considered regular behavior.I do it with pot but don't call it my regular behavior. I thought all pepole were regular folk until they break the law.

at what point do law breakers start to become the norm though?? if say 50% of the population all broke the law, would that make it normal??

how about speeding in a car, and not drugs.. i'm pretty sure that although going above the speed limit is against the law, i'd say it's pretty normal for most people to speed..

 

[twostrokenut]

Maybe the first year would spike.....then settle to almost zip.

 

[OddBall1st]

Now that the quitter has left, let's seek how legalization majically fixes everything since all od cases are not from hot doses. Sure some are, but herion will kill you, tainted or not, but somehow majically if it's legal, it wont. It's funny how legalization hasn't happened yet but some are sure it will solve everthing but you can't do that to them or you're wrong or the enemy. I woder if you miss with legal heroin if it wont be the same if you miss with illegal heroin.

 

[OddBall1st]

at what point do law breakers start to become the norm though?? if say 50% of the population all broke the law, would that make it normal??

how about speeding in a car, and not drugs.. i'm pretty sure that although going above the speed limit is against the law, i'd say it's pretty normal for most people to speed..

Very good point. I guess when crime becomes the norm and drugs are free to use it's time to change the level of the war on drugs and start shooting our way back to civilized. We did it before with slavery, at least the North did.

 

[cannabineer]

Now that the quitter has left, let's seek how legalization majically fixes everything since all od cases are not from hot doses. Sure some are, but herion will kill you, tainted or not, but somehow majically if it's legal, it wont. It's funny how legalization hasn't happened yet but some are sure it will solve everthing but you can't do that to them or you're wrong or the enemy. I woder if you miss with legal heroin if it wont be the same if you miss with illegal heroin.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that, because I disengaged out of simple frustration, you can claim a win.
Also, should you be interested, look into death rates from prescription drugs v. illegal ones. You might be surprised.

Very good point. I guess when crime becomes the norm and drugs are free to use it's time to change the level of the war on drugs and start shooting our way back to civilized. We did it before with slavery, at least the North did.

Remarkably inapt metaphor.

 

[OddBall1st]

Classic polar bare rib. Do you thow that or play with it ?

 

[OddBall1st]

The new American dream, heroin at Wallmart and your works at toys r us.

 

[kinetic]

Frat guy says "Hey, what isle the roofies in?"

C'mon, you don't get to just ride the horse into nullifying prohibition now. You get to have access to all of it. Who got the Morphine, we about to take this motherfucker to the edge of jones town! lol

Will my LSD come in viles like the old breath assure bottles? Yaaaaa Hooooo I'm dosing the whole bar out bitches!

Lets section off apart of Detroit and declare prohibition is ending.

There will be a whole new meaning to drive throughs and a 'Happy Meal'

Naturally prostitution is legalized. I'm pretty sure that's something alot of guys here could get behind.

The government runs everything else so well, what's the worse that could happen?

Phillip Morris changes to Phillip Horses

I confused my mouth freshening strip with my suboxone!

I sure as hell don't have the answers just my own thoughts based on my personal experiences and observations. The root of the problem I think may lay in Self Esteem issues leading to the abuse of substances. The world is a smaller place as we are all connected with less to explore physically and more competition for all the fake bullshit this era of existence trys to sell us. It's harder to stand out in a fish bowl packed tight. I hope if anyone reading this needs a little help they can get it. Your past can be a scar, but scars don't define you.

 

[Rak on Tur']

For many years I agreed with keeping drugs illegal, it was about five years after I returned home from Korea that my views changed. While I was a trooper in AK we would have to deal with the same 15-20% of problematic users over and over. I can say with certainty that jail time doesn't do a thing for most people, if anything it makes it worse. I always looked the other way on the pot and coke crowds because frankly they never caused any problems.

It strikes me more as a personality disorder that causes people to become addicts, the ones who develop problems are the ones who shouldn't be doing drugs in the first place. Heroin is a tough one, but like it or not it's here to stay. I would hope one day out country
sat down and had a rational talk about our drug policy, because what we are doing now isn't solving a thing. I can see some benefits of legalization, I can't say the same for what we are doing now.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If you start imprisoning people for doing illegal drugs, one would expect that line to go up as more do it. Well it did. What`s the problem again ?

Incarceration don, t change consumption, well I knew it was avialible in jail but not on a large scale. That's news to me. If they come out and still use, well that is their choice but they did get some time without it to change. I didn't know doing illegal drug was considered regular behavior.I do it with pot but don't call it my regular behavior. I thought all pepole were regular folk until they break the law.

It's very clear to anyone who has followed this thread, your reaction is based purely on anecdotal evidence and emotion. I showed you actual real data and you simply rejected it because you've seen people die.

You don't value reason or logic, no reasonable or logical argument will make a difference to you.

 

[OddBall1st]

It's very clear to anyone who has followed this thread, your reaction is based purely on anecdotal evidence and emotion. I showed you actual real data and you simply rejected it because you've seen people die.

You don't value reason or logic, no reasonable or logical argument will make a difference to you.

You showed me charts that say something but not one point about what that blue line did when no money was spent on drug control. How do you know all that money spent isn't the reason the blue line remained the same and did not climb? The other chart showed that you go to jail if you break said law. How conclusive is that? I understand what you showed me but it's not enough to sawy be because it's incomplete.

 

[OddBall1st]

I spelled sway wrong, Didn't I ?

 

[OddBall1st]

And.....me, gotta get off this tablet and on the PC.

 

[OddBall1st]

Anyway, please explain how that's complete.

 

[OddBall1st]

I showed the quitter how availibility creates swarms and violence while attracting addics but it was ignored, .

 

[joe macclennan]

to answer the thread topic. I believe in the short term od's would skyrocket as less experienced people would try it without supervision of someone with more experience. In the long run I believe it would level off to levels comparable to what we see now. If not lower.

Methadone was substituted for Heroin as Heroin is a Schedule 1. Methadone is much worse than Heroin but H had the entire German stigma attached when this public policy was made.

Almost all the physicians are aware prohibition of any drugs is a huge mistake. The are also going to be using Sativex as a Marijuana diversion drug. So my guess is this entire medical marijuana thing will be ending. Then we are going loggerheads with the prohibitionists.



Bullshit, the INSTANT that Fentanyl Citrate was diverted it was just as illegal as the questionable heroin it mixed with. Prohibition does NOT SAVE ANYONE! It only makes it impossible. If Heroin was legal (for adults not children) you would buy your Narcan next to your Heroin because it wouldn't be illegal EITHER!

You would KNOW the dose! No more deaths from hot loads. You could buy cheap syringes and stop Hep B, Hep C, and AIDS etc.... how does this benefit people?

Also mark these words. Sativex is being positioned as Methadone for Pot. Really consider the ramifications of that and if you don't believe pull out google and LOOK at their human testing.

I am now done with the topic. I won't speak on prohibition again.

baaah! don't speak in absolutes annie. Get well and come back. You're insight into the medical community is appreciated by me anyway on topics like this.

For many years I agreed with keeping drugs illegal, it was about five years after I returned home from Korea that my views changed. While I was a trooper in AK we would have to deal with the same 15-20% of problematic users over and over. I can say with certainty that jail time doesn't do a thing for most people, if anything it makes it worse. I always looked the other way on the pot and coke crowds because frankly they never caused any problems.

It strikes me more as a personality disorder that causes people to become addicts, the ones who develop problems are the ones who shouldn't be doing drugs in the first place. Heroin is a tough one, but like it or not it's here to stay. I would hope one day out country
sat down and had a rational talk about our drug policy, because what we are doing now isn't solving a thing. I can see some benefits of legalization, I can't say the same for what we are doing now.

as an ex trooper I would think you would recognize that our current system isn't meant to solve anything. It is simply another form of taxation. A sin tax if you will. Without calling it that.

Around here it all about the money. With probation, drug counseling yada yada. If you have insurance they run you through the ringer. If you are uninsured they'll kick you out after a couple of months.

the entire stance on drugs our government takes has little to do with solving the problem and more to do with keeping hundreds of thousands of government jobs or subcontracted facilities in business. Not to mention all the jobs created for the supporting infrastructure.

it was a money making machine for decades.

not so profitable now that the vast majority of our country is already broke. Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Personal freedom and responsibility are much more important than any prophetic safety issues. Tobacco, alcohol, pharmaceuticals and car accidents are all responsible for more deaths than all illegal drugs combined tenfold, yet each of these things are completely legal, and only one of them is condemned as a safety risk in society.

 

[OddBall1st]

What's the name of that computer in that move that told the little kid...the only winning move is not to play? That thing was right and it applies to this topic as well.

 

[OddBall1st]

Personal freedom and responsibility are much more important than any prophetic safety issues. Tobacco, alcohol, pharmaceuticals and car accidents are all responsible for more deaths than all illegal drugs combined tenfold, yet each of these things are completely legal, and only one of them is condemned as a safety risk in society.

That's a great point and I think it has to do with the way these addicts raise their young. I can show you some sad cases but I'm sure you can relate. I could be wrong but it's enough to convince me. There's some fucked up parents feeding their kids from the dollar store and stretching out three days worth of clothes for each kid and total disregard for their future. I could go on but I think you get the picture.