Green New Deal- Why GOP Hates This..

Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Fogdog said:
WTF? why does your kind always go back to some false or out of context quote by Obama. No, he did not claim global warming ended in his watch. I understand why you would want to misquot or cite out of context something from the past. Defending what Trump is doing today is damn near impossible.
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Obama said it.

I quoted him directly.

You may as well own it.

Fogdog said:
Sea levels are rising. Some islands have already disappeared, areas are being inundated for the first time in recorded history. The southern California coast is experiencing 3" sea rise over the past few decades and there is no end in sight. Where is that water coming from?
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Sea levels have been rising and falling for billions of years.

What of it?
 
Fogdog

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Johnnyorganic said:
Sea levels have been rising and falling for billions of years.

What of it?
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Ah, yes. Billions of years

There has been an unprecedented rate of rise in global temperatures over the past 10 decades and science is settled on what is causing it. Rapid rise in carbon dioxide in the air due to industrial burning of fossil fuel. Your answer is to go back in time to cite something that is irrelevant.
 
Fogdog

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Johnnyorganic said:
Where did I claim that?

Your straw man has no power here, Junior.
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You took a comment out of context and made a big deal about it. Turnabout is fair play.

Now then about your false claims that global warming isn't causing oceans to rise. I'd like to see a source for your claims. Just one will do. Make it a good one. Something based upon real climate science, not pap from one of the fossil fuel lobby's house organs.

You do know that Exxon scientists recognized that the earth was warming due to use of their products and management quashed their investigations into it, don't you? What they did next was criminal and there are lawsuits underway right now over it. Do you know what it was they did once their own scientists warned them about the harmful effects of their product?
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Fogdog said:
Ah, yes. Billions of years

There has been an unprecedented rate of rise in global temperatures over the past 10 decades and science is settled on what is causing it. Rapid rise in carbon dioxide in the air due to industrial burning of fossil fuel. Your answer is to go back in time to cite something that is irrelevant.
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It is relevant, but you find it problematic.

Because, for you to concede that a phenomenon is perfectly natural and ongoing... OH MY FUCKING GOD IN HEAVEN!!!!!
 
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Johnnyorganic

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Fogdog said:
You took a comment out of context and made a big deal about it. Turnabout is fair play.

Now then about your false claims that global warming isn't causing oceans to rise. I'd like to see a source for your claims. Just one will do. Make it a good one. Something based upon real climate science, not pap from one of the fossil fuel lobby's house organs.
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I never disputed global warming. That's another of your straw men.

The climate of the earth is constantly changing.

You need a source for that?

Fogdog said:
You do know that Exxon scientists recognized that the earth was warming due to use of their products and management quashed their investigations into it, don't you? What they did next was criminal and there are lawsuits underway right now over it. Do you know what it was they did once their own scientists warned them about the harmful effects of their product?
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Scientists on your side of the discussion did the exact same thing in an effort to suppress dissent.

I said it before. I'll repeat:

What of it?
 
Johnnyorganic

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UncleBuck said:
Dude your party thinks snowballs disprove manmade global warming
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I'll remember that come summertime when your fellow Moonbats claim that it is climate change in action.

Danny Glover claimed the earthquake in Haiti was due to climate change. He should have been awarded Obama's Nobel Prize.
 
Fogdog

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Johnnyorganic said:
It relevant, but you find it problematic.

Because, for you to concede that a phenomenon is perfectly natural and ongoing... OH MY FUCKING GOD IN HEAVEN!!!!!
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What is irrelevant is your disbelief.

The climate is warming and sea levels are rising much more rapidly than any natural cause. It's not volcanoes. It's not changes in the sun's illuminance (the opposite). It's not some energy field that the solar system has moved into (yes, some of your kind are saying that). So, tell me. Instead of just saying "it's natural", tell me what exactly is the explanation you have for the current unprecedented rise in earth's temperature and concurrent melting of polar and glacier ice, along with rapid sea rise, the movement of species upward or towards the poles, the loss in permafrost in the arctic, more frequent severe weather events and so forth. What's your explanation?
 
Fogdog

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Johnnyorganic said:
I never disputed global warming. That's another of your straw men.

The climate of the earth is constantly changing.

You need a source for that?
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The earth is warming due industrial burning of fossil fuel. The rate of temperature rise is not natural and the cause has been identified as Carbon Dioxide emissions. The science is settled. If you want to claim "natural", then what natural source is causing this rapid rise in temperature?

Name it.
 
Fogdog

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Johnnyorganic said:
Scientists on your side of the discussion did the exact same thing in an effort to suppress dissent.

I said it before. I'll repeat:

What of it?
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I just asked if you knew what Exxon did after they quashed investigations by very own scientists who warned them their product was causing rapid rise in temperature. Exxon cannot deny they did not know of this. They went out and bought the services of lobby groups to sow doubt about climate science's findings. They employed the same people who spread false information for the tobacco companies. The same people who were paid by freon producers to cast doubt upon the science behind depletion of the ozone layer. Most of these people aren't even scientists, they are PR men. Of the few who are degreed scientists, maybe two are climate scientists and they weren't very good at it.

So, "what of it?". You are a dupe. Basically, thats what.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Fogdog said:
What is irrelevant is your disbelief.

The climate is warming and sea levels are rising much more rapidly than any natural cause. It's not volcanoes. It's not changes in the sun's illuminance (the opposite). It's not some energy field that the solar system has moved into (yes, some of your kind are saying that). So, tell me. Instead of just saying "it's natural", tell me what exactly is the explanation you have for the current unprecedented rise in earth's temperature and concurrent melting of polar and glacier ice, along with rapid sea rise, the movement of species upward or towards the poles, the loss in permafrost in the arctic, more frequent severe weather events and so forth. What's your explanation?
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It's all natural.

Nature.

A naturally occurring phenomenon.

You can't argue with science.

Fogdog said:
The earth is warming due industrial burning of fossil fuel. The rate of temperature rise is not natural and the cause has been identified as Carbon Dioxide emissions. The science is settled. If you want to claim "natural", then what natural source is causing this rapid rise in temperature?

Name it.
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Name what?

Natural Science?

There is my source. If that does not satisfy you then google it.

Go ahead: Use the Google. Enter Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

I refuse to believe you are asking me to to go find a fact that is UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED.

Still refuse?
Here you go.
https://www.farmprogress.com/management/changing-climate-natural-phenomenon
 
Fogdog

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Johnnyorganic said:
Sigh.

Oh fuck!

I just exhaled....

And contributed to the CO2 in the atmosphere.

Thank heaven for the GREEN NEW DEAL

ROTFLMAO!!!!!
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Too funny. You complain about "straw man" (which I dispute but whatever, not important) yet use your own logical fallacy in an the form ad hominum to attack the person and not their argument.



As if Bucks character had anything to do with the validity of his argument. Ad hominum attacks are otherwise known as a bad argument.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Fogdog said:
I just asked if you knew what Exxon did after they quashed investigations by very own scientists who warned them their product was causing rapid rise in temperature. Exxon cannot deny they did not know of this. They went out and bought the services of lobby groups to sow doubt about climate science's findings. They employed the same people who spread false information for the tobacco companies. The same people who were paid by freon producers to cast doubt upon the science behind depletion of the ozone layer. Most of these people aren't even scientists, they are PR men. Of the few who are degreed scientists, maybe two are climate scientists and they weren't very good at it.

So, "what of it?". You are a dupe. Basically, thats what.
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My point was that both sides have bad actors.

You missed it, huh?

Sleep well in your mud hut, futureearthchild. LOL!
 
Johnnyorganic

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Fogdog said:
Too funny. You complain about "straw man" (which I dispute but whatever, not important) yet use your own logical fallacy in an the form ad hominum to attack the person and not their argument.



As if Bucks character had anything to do with the validity of his argument. Ad hominum attacks are otherwise known as a bad argument.
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Buck has been going at me mercilessley. I just laugh it off.

You yourself called me (and I quote) a 'dupe.'

Based on your logic, your side has been making a shitload of bad arguments.
 
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