Aussie High Lights – we're official

reza92 said:

Yeah I quit uni to get away from calculus man. But google would have an approximate value of the energy of the sun in (probably) giga joules. This doesn’t account for dissipation over distance, the effect the atmosphere has or the types of energy the sun expels (mostly radiation (mostly IR which is why we feel it’s warmth) and light. As has been mentioned physics is hella complicated and if your interested in learning more a cannabis forum probably isn’t the right place.

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Aussieaceae said:

But what if you thought of time as the distance light has to travel? Such as light speed and distance from the sun?

How many watts is the sun? How long does it take for the light energy to get here? What about it's own mass and other mass inbetween?



Man! Thanks.

Me too. Sorry if I ask a lot of questions also, haha.

Have a good 1!

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Grow Lights Australia said:

OK, this is will probably blow your mind, but there is no such thing as time for a photon. A photon may take 8 minutes to travel from the sun to the earth, but the photon does not experience this time frame. As soon as a photon is emitted it is absorbed – whether it takes millions or billions or trilliions of years, the photon does not experience this as a time lag – it is instantaneous.

We're now getting into quantum physics, where the same particle can be in many places at once, because we are used to measuring things in "time" – which is really our way of measuring position. We use time to measure where things are, were or are going to be, but those positions don't really have any bearing on "time" – those positions have always been there and always will, regardless of how we measure them. That is the concept of "space-time" – it means each space has its place, which we refer to as "time". It is the Fourth Dimension, but there could be as many as 10 or more dimensions related to time that could explain why sub-atomic particles can be in multiple places at once.

But if you're asking if the sun loses mass as its energy escapes, then the answer is yes.

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Aussieaceae said:

Lol yep! Stoned as. Mind got thinking and had to ask.
Actually it was quite relevant to something related, but not to this thread. Or context.

I agree. And having never been to uni, or studied physics, I really have no idea either.
Also I feel all my questions were just answered too. Just learned a heap about light I didn't know.

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Grow Lights Australia said:

We only have a few High Light UV boards left, but we do have some growers who wish to upgrade to the new boards and we have offered them trade-ins, so I'm hoping we can offer second-hand High Lights and heatsinks for a good price. They will be inspected and cleaned and if they are OK we'll offer a 12-month warranty. Technically, these boards should last many years if they are looked after. I took delivery of some of the original boards Prawn had been using for two years and they were as good as new. Someone else bought them cheap and they've had no complaints.

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dbz said:

@Grow Lights Australia , So I have been constructing a new room and was just shopping around for grow lights. In the past I had talked to you guys and @Prawn Connery and honestly was pretty excited about trying a few of your boards. I noticed though that you are out of stock on all the old ones and the new ones are signficantly more expensive.

Before, I was thinking 450 watts @ $520.00 is a great deal for quality lights. That is $1.16 per watt for quality LED.
Now though your new products are 470 watts at $1100.00. That is $2.34 per watt

Now I am unsure, because, well what makes them so much better than other industry LED specialists?

Amare Bar 8 - $1.92 per watt 880 watts
HLG 600 watt QB288 @ $1.27 per watt
Gavita 1930e @ $1.76 per watt
Timber Cypress 8 @ $1.24 per watt
Black Dog LED 800 @ 2.44 per watt
Mars Hydro FC6500 @ $1.38 per watt

Now I started with a Black Dog 400 and it has performed well, but I have been chastised enough on this forum to think I overspent on it. They are about the only lights more than the High Lights now.

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dbz said:

@Grow Lights Australia , So I have been constructing a new room and was just shopping around for grow lights. In the past I had talked to you guys and @Prawn Connery and honestly was pretty excited about trying a few of your boards. I noticed though that you are out of stock on all the old ones and the new ones are signficantly more expensive.

Before, I was thinking 450 watts @ $520.00 is a great deal for quality lights. That is $1.16 per watt for quality LED.
Now though your new products are 470 watts at $1100.00. That is $2.34 per watt

Now I am unsure, because, well what makes them so much better than other industry LED specialists?

Amare Bar 8 - $1.92 per watt 880 watts
HLG 600 watt QB288 @ $1.27 per watt
Gavita 1930e @ $1.76 per watt
Timber Cypress 8 @ $1.24 per watt
Black Dog LED 800 @ 2.44 per watt
Mars Hydro FC6500 @ $1.38 per watt

Now I started with a Black Dog 400 and it has performed well, but I have been chastised enough on this forum to think I overspent on it. They are about the only lights more than the High Lights now.

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dbz said:

@Grow Lights Australia , So I have been constructing a new room and was just shopping around for grow lights. In the past I had talked to you guys and @Prawn Connery and honestly was pretty excited about trying a few of your boards. I noticed though that you are out of stock on all the old ones and the new ones are signficantly more expensive.

Before, I was thinking 450 watts @ $520.00 is a great deal for quality lights. That is $1.16 per watt for quality LED.
Now though your new products are 470 watts at $1100.00. That is $2.34 per watt

Now I am unsure, because, well what makes them so much better than other industry LED specialists?

Amare Bar 8 - $1.92 per watt 880 watts
HLG 600 watt QB288 @ $1.27 per watt
Gavita 1930e @ $1.76 per watt
Timber Cypress 8 @ $1.24 per watt
Black Dog LED 800 @ 2.44 per watt
Mars Hydro FC6500 @ $1.38 per watt

Now I started with a Black Dog 400 and it has performed well, but I have been chastised enough on this forum to think I overspent on it. They are about the only lights more than the High Lights now.

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dbz said:

@Grow Lights Australia , So I have been constructing a new room and was just shopping around for grow lights. In the past I had talked to you guys and @Prawn Connery and honestly was pretty excited about trying a few of your boards. I noticed though that you are out of stock on all the old ones and the new ones are signficantly more expensive.

Before, I was thinking 450 watts @ $520.00 is a great deal for quality lights. That is $1.16 per watt for quality LED.
Now though your new products are 470 watts at $1100.00. That is $2.34 per watt

Now I am unsure, because, well what makes them so much better than other industry LED specialists?

Amare Bar 8 - $1.92 per watt 880 watts
HLG 600 watt QB288 @ $1.27 per watt
Gavita 1930e @ $1.76 per watt
Timber Cypress 8 @ $1.24 per watt
Black Dog LED 800 @ 2.44 per watt
Mars Hydro FC6500 @ $1.38 per watt

Now I started with a Black Dog 400 and it has performed well, but I have been chastised enough on this forum to think I overspent on it. They are about the only lights more than the High Lights now.

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Grow Lights Australia said:

Hey dbz, I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from but the original High Lights were A$720 for 450W if you included the driver, wiring and everything else. And that was after they were discounted. The new 470W plug and play system is exactly that: buy, assemble (no wiring required), hang and grow. And you would pay $990 for it after the RIU 10% discount – not $1100.

The latest HLG600 in Australia is A$1400 for 600W – which is $2.33 per watt and includes no UV. The HLG 30W UVA supplement is another A$300 on top of that. All prices from www.quickbloomlights.com.au

Timber Cyprus 8 – why are you comparing USD with AUD? Your quoted figure is actually coser to A$1.80 in Australian Dollars. And why are you comparing wall watts with board watts? Timber's figure is wall watts – our figure is board watts (our 470W kit actually draws over 500W from the wall).

It appears you have done the same with all the other brands: using US Dollars to compare to Australian Dollars, which are almost 50% less, and using wall watts to compare to board watts, which are 10% more. You are also comparing lights that use cheap diodes (Timber 8 uses obsolete Samsung LM561C for example) and have no UV and/or limited far red. Plus what about efficiency figures? Not all watts are the same when comparing diode efficiencies.

I'm not here to rip on other companies' products, but if you are going to do these comparisons can you at least be honest about them? Mixing Aussie Dollars and US Dollars is very misleading. And why not also compare features? Black Dog is the closest to our spectrum, but doesn't include far red and the 800 model you quote costs almost A$4000 in Australia! That's A$4.76 per watt.

Sorry for the rant. We'll cop fair criticism on the chin, but this is not fair criticism – it is just plain wrong on almost every count.

I will also add that, as @reza92 has mentioned, we also work with DIYers to get costs down if they prefer to build their own systems. Our advertised retail prices are just that: advertised retail prices. We will be introducing DIY kits in the new year and our plug-and-play kits are likely to come down in price too.

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All About Drivers - Grow Lights Australia

Grow Lights Australia is an official Mean Well driver reseller. We have the best prices on Mean Well drivers with full Australian warranty.

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dbz said:

I was very confused, I wasn't trying to be unfair, and it took me a while to figure out where some of my confusion was. I apologize for my idiocy and that is why I asked. I am not an advertiser or someone trying to play games, for 4 months I had literally been planning to buy your boards and yesterday I browsed to them to buy one and the price shocked me.

Now the reason it shocked me is because I am a paranoid shit and use a lot of VPNs. It appears that your site was giving me Australian dollars which is where the 1100 came from. Oddly in another tab which maybe was using one less VPN it was showing me your old light in USD, which it still lists as 532 for the 450 watt one.

I wasn't trying to use different metrics either, and I am sorry that it appears that I did with some and didn't with others (wall watts vs board, eg: BD800 I calculated at board watts as well (800) instead of 840, but they are way more expensive than everyone.

Now your similar new system at 470 board watts (20 more than your previous at 450) 490 wall is 837 to 875 US. I was using Australian dollars for this figure and thinking it myself to be US Dollars.

I am sorry, I wasn't trying to offend, more to clarify. All of the confusion was on my part though. What an idiot.

I was thinking a while back at spending a little over 500 dollars (US) for 450 watts and I was excited, when I went back and read your new ones as 1100...I was shocked
In fact, waking up this morning and discovering how wrong I am was exciting to me. Although I need to stay private on here, because most people that know me would be shoving this in my face as I may or may not tend to be a bit arrogant.

Now the correct US price using your wall watts rather than board since it appears I used that on many of the others except BD is closer to 1.71-1.73 depending on options on the light. Which is lower than Amare, Gavita or BD.

It still is a good deal more expensive than your first one...thankfully not nearly as much as I had tricked myself into thinking.

I assume the increased expense is mainly due to it
A) Not being a DIY kit, but rather an assembled plug and play product
B) Having changed the spectrum a bit and added some more expensive diodes?

Can you explain to me the difference between the driver typically included and the optional AB driver

Once again I apologize for misrepresenting your product. To me it was like a kid at Christmas finally ready to get his present then learning his present was twice as much (not paying attention to the Australian dollars).

Here is a thread about the first set of lights that is quite impressive:

High Light efficiency tests (TEKNIK) - 2.47 umol/j CRI 94.2

So the results from TEKNIK's goniometer testing came back today and we're pretty happy with the results. 2.47 umol/j for a CRI94 board isn't too bad at all. The other board tested 2.46 umol/j at CRI95. First thing I'd like to do is thank TEKNIK for donating their time and resources to this...

www.rollitup.org

Another:

"High Lights" - high powered, CRI95 flowering boards made in Australia

A few people have been asking about these boards now that the cat's out of the bag. @Or_Gro has posted his diary here for anyone who's interested in seeing how they perform...

www.rollitup.org

Here is the answer to my drivers question:

All About Drivers - Grow Lights Australia

Grow Lights Australia is an official Mean Well driver reseller. We have the best prices on Mean Well drivers with full Australian warranty.

growlightsaustralia.com

Here is a look at efficiency numbers and spectrum

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reza92 said:

the new board side connectors are also a awesome upgrade. Don’t know how many of the old style connectors I’ve snapped off bridglux strips accidentally.

and if you weren’t down on the driver. Mean well a typed have on board potentiometers for dimming, b type have the leads so you can install your own potentiometer (and remote locate it if you want), ab type is both combined.

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dbz said:

Yeah, if I go forward with some of these boards it would be a flowering room so I don't think I would ever be dimming them, although if I was going to use it as veg then I would probably be interested in remote dimming.

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dbz said:

I was very confused, I wasn't trying to be unfair, and it took me a while to figure out where some of my confusion was. I apologize for my idiocy and that is why I asked. I am not an advertiser or someone trying to play games, for 4 months I had literally been planning to buy your boards and yesterday I browsed to them to buy one and the price shocked me.

Now the reason it shocked me is because I am a paranoid shit and use a lot of VPNs. It appears that your site was giving me Australian dollars which is where the 1100 came from. Oddly in another tab which maybe was using one less VPN it was showing me your old light in USD, which it still lists as 532 for the 450 watt one.

I wasn't trying to use different metrics either, and I am sorry that it appears that I did with some and didn't with others (wall watts vs board, eg: BD800 I calculated at board watts as well (800) instead of 840, but they are way more expensive than everyone.

Now your similar new system at 470 board watts (20 more than your previous at 450) 490 wall is 837 to 875 US. I was using Australian dollars for this figure and thinking it myself to be US Dollars.

I am sorry, I wasn't trying to offend, more to clarify. All of the confusion was on my part though. What an idiot.

I was thinking a while back at spending a little over 500 dollars (US) for 450 watts and I was excited, when I went back and read your new ones as 1100...I was shocked
In fact, waking up this morning and discovering how wrong I am was exciting to me. Although I need to stay private on here, because most people that know me would be shoving this in my face as I may or may not tend to be a bit arrogant.

Now the correct US price using your wall watts rather than board since it appears I used that on many of the others except BD is closer to 1.71-1.73 depending on options on the light. Which is lower than Amare, Gavita or BD.

It still is a good deal more expensive than your first one...thankfully not nearly as much as I had tricked myself into thinking.

I assume the increased expense is mainly due to it
A) Not being a DIY kit, but rather an assembled plug and play product
B) Having changed the spectrum a bit and added some more expensive diodes?

Can you explain to me the difference between the driver typically included and the optional AB driver

Once again I apologize for misrepresenting your product. To me it was like a kid at Christmas finally ready to get his present then learning his present was twice as much (not paying attention to the Australian dollars).

Here is a thread about the first set of lights that is quite impressive:

High Light efficiency tests (TEKNIK) - 2.47 umol/j CRI 94.2

So the results from TEKNIK's goniometer testing came back today and we're pretty happy with the results. 2.47 umol/j for a CRI94 board isn't too bad at all. The other board tested 2.46 umol/j at CRI95. First thing I'd like to do is thank TEKNIK for donating their time and resources to this...

www.rollitup.org

Another:

"High Lights" - high powered, CRI95 flowering boards made in Australia

A few people have been asking about these boards now that the cat's out of the bag. @Or_Gro has posted his diary here for anyone who's interested in seeing how they perform...

www.rollitup.org

Here is the answer to my drivers question:

All About Drivers - Grow Lights Australia

Grow Lights Australia is an official Mean Well driver reseller. We have the best prices on Mean Well drivers with full Australian warranty.

growlightsaustralia.com

Here is a look at efficiency numbers and spectrum

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Grow Lights Australia said:

Hey mate, all good. Our website has a geolocator for pricing in either AUD (if you browse from Australia or New Zealand) or USD (everywhere else) which can be thrown off by using a VPN. Regardless, it should say what currency you are looking at and you are also able to chage currencies using the little flag icon next to the Cart button.

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The new pricing is based on several things that I've already mentioned in this thread earlier but basically: The High Light 420 boards are slightly bigger and have new features, such as the SMD waterproof connectors and waterproofing options; the customised LEDs – especially the UV, 660 and 730 monos – are more expensive than the original High Light white phosphor LEDs and add quite a lot to the production cost; the kits require no wiring or drilling and all accessory parts are made from quality components such as German cable, Italian quick-release waterproof connectors and custom stainless wire hangers; the retail pricing includes a margin for wholesalers which we have to honour, but which also means we can offer discounts to forum members and work with growers with larger orders or DIY requirements – we'll also be revising that pricing in the New Year when we add DIY options.

So the big thing for us is that the new kits now sit alongside other plug-and play kits and are priced accordingly. However, we'll still look after DIYers where we can and anyone interested can contact us via email for pricing.

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