Bat Guano on autos? When to apply ? and what kind of guano(powder or liquid)?
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Nutty sKunK
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Tried a couple of batmix soils. Plagron and House and garden.
Plagron grew like shit. Too strong for seedlings. Might be ok for flower.
House and garden Ive had mixed results from seedlings. Some thrived some found it a little hot.
Also adding bat guano to a basic peat based soil didn’t work for me.
Tbh with autoflowers a light soil mix is best to start coupled with a root stimulator. Then a simple complete feed will see them out.
Anytime I’ve complicated my soil mix the plants haven’t grown as well when I just let them grow with soil straight out the bag
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PadawanWarrior
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I've never grown autos but I love bat guano. The seabird I'm not as big of a fan though.
OldMedUser
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Neither seabird or bat guano should be used at all. The people that collect that kind of crap are devastating bat populations all over the world by spreading a fungus that causes White Nose Syndrome and is wiping out whole colonies. The seabird guys just trash the nesting grounds also stealing eggs of rare species and even killing lots of birds to sell the meat.
By purchasing these products you are supporting the destruction of important animal species and I like to think that pot growers tend to not want to support such activities but maybe it's just me.
There are plenty of other sources for needed plant nutrients and most come from other plants and are much more sustainable.
en.wikipedia.org
If you MUST use these products look for labels that indicate it is harvested in a safe and sustainable manner by responsible people. The exploiters don't care that they spread the disease tracking the fungus from cave to cave on contaminated boots and harvesting utensils.
By purchasing these products you are supporting the destruction of important animal species and I like to think that pot growers tend to not want to support such activities but maybe it's just me.
There are plenty of other sources for needed plant nutrients and most come from other plants and are much more sustainable.
Guano - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
If you MUST use these products look for labels that indicate it is harvested in a safe and sustainable manner by responsible people. The exploiters don't care that they spread the disease tracking the fungus from cave to cave on contaminated boots and harvesting utensils.
PadawanWarrior
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That's why I'm kinda hesitant to mention it. I thought the seabird was less damaging. I do know what you're saying though. I don't use much of it. The guys at the hydro shop by me are against it even though they sell it. It's too bad people have to destroy shit just to harvest guano. I always have tried to get Sunleaves brand. They are supposed to harvest it cleanly but who knows. I do have some from DTE though too. Us pot growers are probably pretty shitty for the environment. Even the hydro guys, who might be worse. I don't know. All this chemical fertilizer down the drains can't be good.Neither seabird or bat guano should be used at all. The people that collect that kind of crap are devastating bat populations all over the world by spreading a fungus that causes White Nose Syndrome and is wiping out whole colonies. The seabird guys just trash the nesting grounds also stealing eggs of rare species and even killing lots of birds to sell the meat.
By purchasing these products you are supporting the destruction of important animal species and I like to think that pot growers tend to not want to support such activities but maybe it's just me.
There are plenty of other sources for needed plant nutrients and most come from other plants and are much more sustainable.
Guano - Wikipedia
If you MUST use these products look for labels that indicate it is harvested in a safe and sustainable manner by responsible people. The exploiters don't care that they spread the disease tracking the fungus from cave to cave on contaminated boots and harvesting utensils.
OldMedUser
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Right there. These 'chemicals' are simple mineral salts just like the ones the bio-herd in the soil convert organic matter into so the plants can eat them. Those minerals in tap water are in the form of mineral salts of which there are thousands if not millions of those compounds everywhere,
Hydro nutes grow cleaner pot than organics just in case you didn't know. There's a lot of crap in dirt like heavy metals, pesticide residues that float around and land wherever.
Ever see at some cities they collect garden waste like lawn clippings and related stuff then compost it and sell it as 'organic' compost? Ever see what Joe Average sprays on his grass and gardens or golf courses use and then donate all that contaminated shit to the composters?
I'm actually moving over to organics but with my eyes wide open about what's what.
Cannabis/hemp is an excellent bio-accumulator of toxins in contaminated soil so whatever is in that soil ends up in the buds and we consume it.
Just something to think about.
PadawanWarrior
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I know about the heavy metals. That's one of the shitty things. I've heard mixed things about hydro mutes containing some of that too, but haven't done any research. But with soil we're not flushing lots of nutrients down the drain. In hydro all those nutrients are going down the drain. I've just heard about ground water being contaminated by nutrients. I'm no hippie though,Right there. These 'chemicals' are simple mineral salts just like the ones the bio-herd in the soil convert organic matter into so the plants can eat them. Those minerals in tap water are in the form of mineral salts of which there are thousands if not millions of those compounds everywhere,
Hydro nutes grow cleaner pot than organics just in case you didn't know. There's a lot of crap in dirt like heavy metals, pesticide residues that float around and land wherever.
Ever see at some cities they collect garden waste like lawn clippings and related stuff then compost it and sell it as 'organic' compost? Ever see what Joe Average sprays on his grass and gardens or golf courses use and then donate all that contaminated shit to the composters?
I'm actually moving over to organics but with my eyes wide open about what's what.
Cannabis/hemp is an excellent bio-accumulator of toxins in contaminated soil so whatever is in that soil ends up in the buds and we consume it.
Just something to think about.
The Issue | US EPA
Too much nitrogen and phosphorus in lakes, rivers, streams and coasts results in serious environmental, economic, and health effects.
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OldMedUser
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With a drain to waste grow you're wasting nutes but I'm never throwing any away either in DWC or growing in pots. I worked out my DWC grows so I never change the nutes even once for the whole grow and once the plants are cropped the left over nutes go into the garden or compost heaps to enrich them.I know about the heavy metals. That's one of the shitty things. I've heard mixed things about hydro mutes containing some of that too, but haven't done any research. But with soil we're not flushing lots of nutrients down the drain. In hydro all those nutrients are going down the drain. I've just heard about found water being contaminated by nutrients. I'm no hippie though,
The Issue | US EPA
Too much nitrogen and phosphorus in lakes, rivers, streams and coasts results in serious environmental, economic, and health effects.www.epa.gov
The vast majority of nutrient pollution is farmer pollution and has been a problem for as long as industrial farming has been around. Huge dead zones off the mouths of rivers like the Mississippi etc where the nutes feed plankton and algae blooms that deplete vast areas of oceans of the oxygen needed by all sea life.
Phosphate pollution was causing huge blooms in the Great Lakes 50 years ago so the gov't legislated low phosphate detergents to clean that up.
It used to be, The solution to pollution is dilution but we know that doesn't help at all now. The solution to pollution is no pollution is now the mantra.
I'm an old hippy and I still wave my freak flag high!
PadawanWarrior
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DWC is cool shit. I made a ghetto DWC setup in the 90's and used Miracle Grow, lol. I lived in South Dakota for a handful of years and the water tastes like shit and is hard as hell. I'm sure the farming and flat land had a lot to do with it. I wouldn't even drink it. I had to buy a water dispenser and jugs full of RO water. At least the walleye are tough and don't need sparkling clean water like trout.With a drain to waste grow you're wasting nutes but I'm never throwing any away either in DWC or growing in pots. I worked out my DWC grows so I never change the nutes even once for the whole grow and once the plants are cropped the left over nutes go into the garden or compost heaps to enrich them.
The vast majority of nutrient pollution is farmer pollution and has been a problem for as long as industrial farming has been around. Huge dead zones off the mouths of rivers like the Mississippi etc where the nutes feed plankton and algae blooms that deplete vast areas of oceans of the oxygen needed by all sea life.
Phosphate pollution was causing huge blooms in the Great Lakes 50 years ago so the gov't legislated low phosphate detergents to clean that up.
It used to be, The solution to pollution is dilution but we know that doesn't help at all now. The solution to pollution is no pollution is now the mantra.
I'm an old hippy and I still wave my freak flag high!
OldMedUser
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You should have read the link in that article about the sources and solutions. No where does it mention pot growers being of concern. Even the big legal growers are a very tiny part of any pollution and most are by law not allowed to just dump their waste where it can have a negative impact.
Farmers, not so much. Where I hale from in the beautiful Fraser Valley of BC the valley's ground water has been sorely impacted by overuse of fertilizers and contaminated with nitrates mainly from all the manures spread to grow fruit like raspberries, strawberries etc. Rains a hell of a lot out there and washes that crap into the very loose and sandy soils before the plants can use it. There's a big fish hatchery and museum almost on teh US border just south of Abbotsford and a mile or so north of Sumas, WA. That area is called the Sumas Prairie and was flood plain until settlers logged it off then drained it to use for farming. Huge flood there a couple years ago that backed up from the US side and turned it all into an inland sea for a few weeks.
Between the forest fires and the floods I'm kind of glad I don't live there anymore but I sure miss the great salmon fishing.
I fly fish the pike/walleye here to make it a little more interesting. Still not the thrill you get when a 40lb Chinook salmon, (King salmon to you yanks), takes a fly in white water rapids then rips your tackle up and leaves you breathless. Coho are great on a noodle rod loaded with 6lb line and a little trout spinner. They go up to 15lbs and can strip 100yds of line off a little spool in just a few seconds. Used to fill a small chest freezer with them every fall.
Looking for a little boat to get out more this year as I haven't fished up here for a while but need to get outside more. Dropping hints to mom that we don't really need that old 10' fiberglass boat at the cabin now that my nephew has brought a nice newer aluminum one up there and that's teh one that gets used all the time. I just got a trailer hitch put on the car and bought a little quad trailer I could take up there to bring the boat and hopefully the old 5hp Viking motor back with me but probably not. I would like to bring back lots of soapstone and jade from old abandoned mines near the cabin. Can pick it up on the side of the road if it's not all been taken but there's bound to be lots left. Placer mining claims for gold all along the 10 mile creek that runs from our lake so might check online and grab one up if there's any available. Like $25 for a prospector's permit and $20 - $40 a year to keep a claim.
Farmers, not so much. Where I hale from in the beautiful Fraser Valley of BC the valley's ground water has been sorely impacted by overuse of fertilizers and contaminated with nitrates mainly from all the manures spread to grow fruit like raspberries, strawberries etc. Rains a hell of a lot out there and washes that crap into the very loose and sandy soils before the plants can use it. There's a big fish hatchery and museum almost on teh US border just south of Abbotsford and a mile or so north of Sumas, WA. That area is called the Sumas Prairie and was flood plain until settlers logged it off then drained it to use for farming. Huge flood there a couple years ago that backed up from the US side and turned it all into an inland sea for a few weeks.
Between the forest fires and the floods I'm kind of glad I don't live there anymore but I sure miss the great salmon fishing.
All we have naturally up here is pike and walleye and maybe some greyling in nice clean smaller rivers. I have yet to catch a walleye tho have caught many large pike and a few nice greyling when I was working in some spots that had them. I'd toss my tackle behind the seats in the water truck and could do about 20 min of fishing while the truck loaded out of the stream I was fishing. They are just like trout and take spinners or flies eagerly.
I fly fish the pike/walleye here to make it a little more interesting. Still not the thrill you get when a 40lb Chinook salmon, (King salmon to you yanks), takes a fly in white water rapids then rips your tackle up and leaves you breathless. Coho are great on a noodle rod loaded with 6lb line and a little trout spinner. They go up to 15lbs and can strip 100yds of line off a little spool in just a few seconds. Used to fill a small chest freezer with them every fall.
Looking for a little boat to get out more this year as I haven't fished up here for a while but need to get outside more. Dropping hints to mom that we don't really need that old 10' fiberglass boat at the cabin now that my nephew has brought a nice newer aluminum one up there and that's teh one that gets used all the time. I just got a trailer hitch put on the car and bought a little quad trailer I could take up there to bring the boat and hopefully the old 5hp Viking motor back with me but probably not. I would like to bring back lots of soapstone and jade from old abandoned mines near the cabin. Can pick it up on the side of the road if it's not all been taken but there's bound to be lots left. Placer mining claims for gold all along the 10 mile creek that runs from our lake so might check online and grab one up if there's any available. Like $25 for a prospector's permit and $20 - $40 a year to keep a claim.
PadawanWarrior
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Ya. I didn't actually read the article, lol. But it makes sense that outdoor farming is way worse.You should have read the link in that article about the sources and solutions. No where does it mention pot growers being of concern. Even the big legal growers are a very tiny part of any pollution and most are by law not allowed to just dump their waste where it can have a negative impact.
Farmers, not so much. Where I hale from in the beautiful Fraser Valley of BC the valley's ground water has been sorely impacted by overuse of fertilizers and contaminated with nitrates mainly from all the manures spread to grow fruit like raspberries, strawberries etc. Rains a hell of a lot out there and washes that crap into the very loose and sandy soils before the plants can use it. There's a big fish hatchery and museum almost on teh US border just south of Abbotsford and a mile or so north of Sumas, WA. That area is called the Sumas Prairie and was flood plain until settlers logged it off then drained it to use for farming. Huge flood there a couple years ago that backed up from the US side and turned it all into an inland sea for a few weeks.
Between the forest fires and the floods I'm kind of glad I don't live there anymore but I sure miss the great salmon fishing.
All we have naturally up here is pike and walleye and maybe some greyling in nice clean smaller rivers. I have yet to catch a walleye tho have caught many large pike and a few nice greyling when I was working in some spots that had them. I'd toss my tackle behind the seats in the water truck and could do about 20 min of fishing while the truck loaded out of the stream I was fishing. They are just like trout and take spinners or flies eagerly.
I fly fish the pike/walleye here to make it a little more interesting. Still not the thrill you get when a 40lb Chinook salmon, (King salmon to you yanks), takes a fly in white water rapids then rips your tackle up and leaves you breathless. Coho are great on a noodle rod loaded with 6lb line and a little trout spinner. They go up to 15lbs and can strip 100yds of line off a little spool in just a few seconds. Used to fill a small chest freezer with them every fall.
Looking for a little boat to get out more this year as I haven't fished up here for a while but need to get outside more. Dropping hints to mom that we don't really need that old 10' fiberglass boat at the cabin now that my nephew has brought a nice newer aluminum one up there and that's teh one that gets used all the time. I just got a trailer hitch put on the car and bought a little quad trailer I could take up there to bring the boat and hopefully the old 5hp Viking motor back with me but probably not. I would like to bring back lots of soapstone and jade from old abandoned mines near the cabin. Can pick it up on the side of the road if it's not all been taken but there's bound to be lots left. Placer mining claims for gold all along the 10 mile creek that runs from our lake so might check online and grab one up if there's any available. Like $25 for a prospector's permit and $20 - $40 a year to keep a claim.
I grew up in WA so we did lots of Salmon fishing. My favorite there was bottom fishing though. I think they taste better too. Never was a big fan of trout but I've eaten tons of it. Walleye is much better. That's as close as I've found to bottom fish for fresh water fish. Walleye are fun too with lighter gear. Sometimes you'll hook a 3 foot pike and then it's really crazy. I'd usually just toss them back though since I caught so many.
Just required the gear, some minnows, beer, and weed. And a chair of course, lol. I'd just sit there drinking, smoking, and fishing. It was rough.
OldMedUser
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I always preferred hiking along a river or creek hunting my fishy targets than what we call bar fishing. You would have liked fishing along the Fraser river near where I grew up in Richmond or further up. Lawn chair, cooler of beer and a bell on the tip of the rod to wake you up to a bite. We used to go out on the log booms and fish deeper water but if the tide came in you could get stranded out there trying to flag down a passing tug or fishing boat to get you off the boom. Big f'n sturgeon in there too but mostly caught flounders and bullheads as a kid.
We used to get out in the 'chuck for red eye sanpper and ling cod too. Dad had a 16" cedar clinker cabin cruiser that he berthed at a local marina spring to fall and we'd take off on adventures from there. He wasn't big on fishing but any excuse to get out on the water was fine by him. when I got older me and buddies would drive up to Horseshoe Bay where the ferry terminal is to Naniamo and rent a 15' runabout from Sewell's to fish the day away up there. We'd troll for salmon across to Bowen island and if they weren't biting whip out mu cod rod and start bottom bouncing for whatever monsters were hanging out down there. Lots of mud sharks and an octopus once in a while but a ling or snapper pretty often. Had a seal rip the belly out of a coho once. Was bringing it in then suddenly got hit and line started peeling off fast. After a minute or so the line went slack but still weight on there. When I got it in the belly was missing but the rest of the fish was fine so kept it for my supper.
We used to go down to Birch Bay and rent a cabin on the beach when I was a kid. Spent a lot of time at Pt. Roberts where my aunt and uncle had a cabin. They bought the one next to them and another a short walk away and if there were no renters using them we could go down there and hang out. Close enough that dad could commute back and forth to work so we'd stay for weeks sometimes. I'd ride my bike down to the big pier left after the cannery closed and fish for flounder and crab there. Started drinking at the Breaker's bar there when I was about 16 but grew a good 'stache so could pass for 21 as if they cared back then.
No road access to Pt. Roberts from the US so have to go thru customs to get to it from the Canadian side. Can see the arch at the Blaine border crossing from the beach there. My late sister got married at the park there to an asshole from Bellingham. Didn't last long.
PadawanWarrior
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That's awesome. I'm in trout waters here in Colorado now. There's Gold Medal Water about an hour away, but good fly fishing all around. Eleven Mile Reservoir has some huge trout, and some Kokanee Salmon. They have some lakes with walleye but this isn't a walleye place. I had to drive to the middle of Denver to get minnows, and they sold them by the minnow,I always preferred hiking along a river or creek hunting my fishy targets than what we call bar fishing. You would have liked fishing along the Fraser river near where I grew up in Richmond or further up. Lawn chair, cooler of beer and a bell on the tip of the rod to wake you up to a bite. We used to go out on the log booms and fish deeper water but if the tide came in you could get stranded out there trying to flag down a passing tug or fishing boat to get you off the boom. Big f'n sturgeon in there too but mostly caught flounders and bullheads as a kid.
We used to get out in the 'chuck for red eye sanpper and ling cod too. Dad had a 16" cedar clinker cabin cruiser that he berthed at a local marina spring to fall and we'd take off on adventures from there. He wasn't big on fishing but any excuse to get out on the water was fine by him. when I got older me and buddies would drive up to Horseshoe Bay where the ferry terminal is to Naniamo and rent a 15' runabout from Sewell's to fish the day away up there. We'd troll for salmon across to Bowen island and if they weren't biting whip out mu cod rod and start bottom bouncing for whatever monsters were hanging out down there. Lots of mud sharks and an octopus once in a while but a ling or snapper pretty often. Had a seal rip the belly out of a coho once. Was bringing it in then suddenly got hit and line started peeling off fast. After a minute or so the line went slack but still weight on there. When I got it in the belly was missing but the rest of the fish was fine so kept it for my supper.
We used to go down to Birch Bay and rent a cabin on the beach when I was a kid. Spent a lot of time at Pt. Roberts where my aunt and uncle had a cabin. They bought the one next to them and another a short walk away and if there were no renters using them we could go down there and hang out. Close enough that dad could commute back and forth to work so we'd stay for weeks sometimes. I'd ride my bike down to the big pier left after the cannery closed and fish for flounder and crab there. Started drinking at the Breaker's bar there when I was about 16 but grew a good 'stache so could pass for 21 as if they cared back then.
No road access to Pt. Roberts from the US so have to go thru customs to get to it from the Canadian side. Can see the arch at the Blaine border crossing from the beach there. My late sister got married at the park there to an asshole from Bellingham. Didn't last long.
. I was like WTF, lol. Fishing is my second favorite hobby. Snowboarding is first.Fishing with a beer is the best way to fish, whether in a boat or on shore. I don't use a bell. I learned a better trick from a guy in CA. Everyone I've showed has started doing it. Works awesome for smarter fish. It's nothing special though. I just use an old pop can lid with the pull off top if I find them or a swivel and bend the clip and attach a bobber to the other end. Then hang that on the line between a couple eye holes. I allow a little slack so the fish can grab it and feel for any drag. They don't feel any tension and then grab it. Works super good with smart fish. The guy who I learned it from was out at Boca Reservoir where I fished all the time and was just sitting drinking. He pulled a 6+ lb Brown out of there and I was like WTF,
OldMedUser
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Kokanee are actually land-locked sockeye salmon. They're the main food source for big lake trout in big lakes like Okanagan lake in BC and some of the lakes like Stave and Harrison lakes on the north side of the Fraser Valley just an hour or so out of Vancouver. Lots of little great trout lakes up in there too just right for belly boats and fly rods. Still fish my grandpa's old fiberglass 6wt whenever I can. He's the one who got me hooked on fishing but passed when I was 8.
The famous Kamloops trout are actually land-locked steelhead and grow huge there feeding on kokanee. Many were used to stock lakes on Vancouver Island around Campbell River where I'd still like to end my days. Got a cousin up there that's a fish junkie too.
Need to tie up some flies big enough for pike now that I've scored some fur and feathers after losing all mine on the move up here in '01. I use a 9 - 10wt, 10' Powell rod I built in the early 80s with a 10wt shooting head and wire tippet.
Just to stay on topic, bat guano makes lousy bait.
The famous Kamloops trout are actually land-locked steelhead and grow huge there feeding on kokanee. Many were used to stock lakes on Vancouver Island around Campbell River where I'd still like to end my days. Got a cousin up there that's a fish junkie too.
Need to tie up some flies big enough for pike now that I've scored some fur and feathers after losing all mine on the move up here in '01. I use a 9 - 10wt, 10' Powell rod I built in the early 80s with a 10wt shooting head and wire tippet.
Just to stay on topic, bat guano makes lousy bait.
