Can vertical growing utilize less space and be stealthy?

Kind Sir · Jan 29, 2022

I feel like a child having to ask this. Long story short I’ve grown in a basement but have to temporarily move. Moving into a house that i’m renting from family, 1 floor/no basement. They may want to casually see what i’ve done with my place, and will be coming over occasionally.
I’ve been using a 4x4 bed but i’d need a 5x5 tent, and i’m open tj suggestions on how to hide a tent that big, I was thinking maby vertical growing may work better?

I have an HLG Scorpion R Spec, and it says it’s vert growing compatible. Thoughts on this?

Johiem · Jan 30, 2022

I refer all vert questions to Mr @gr865 only vert grower I know.

Kind Sir · Jan 30, 2022

Johiem said:
I refer all vert questions to Mr @gr865 only vert grower I know.

I appreciate that. Someone said it helps save space if you don’t have a lot of horizontal space which makes sense.

@gr865 I’m moving, was using a 4x4 bed but don’t have the room for it. I have an HLG Scorpion R Spec that I want to utilize, was curious if there’s a way to use my LED to its full potential without having a massive tent in my room. Smaller one is fine, could go all the way to the ceiling.

Johiem · Jan 30, 2022

Check out his grow journals. To me, it's kinda insane I just can't wrap my head around it.

Kind Sir · Jan 30, 2022

Johiem said:
Check out his grow journals. To me, it's kinda insane I just can't wrap my head around it.

Ya i’ve seen some, these vertical scrogs are crazy looking, actually kinda confusing. They look like they could really work well. There’s gotta be some pros doe people to do it. I hope I hear back from them, i appreciate it.

gr865 · Jan 30, 2022

[USER=525378 said:
@gr865[/USER] I’m moving, was using a 4x4 bed but don’t have the room for it. I have an HLG Scorpion R Spec that I want to utilize, was curious if there’s a way to use my LED to its full potential without having a massive tent in my room. Smaller one is fine, could go all the way to the ceiling.

Have to go into the city, I do have some suggestions for you and will post when I get back.

gr865 · Jan 30, 2022

I am sorry but I have not researched if you can stand the HLG Scorpion R Spec vertical or what the footprint is for that lamp.
But if you can run the light vertical and the footprint is 5x5 for flower then I think you can run a vertical grow with it. I am considering doing so in my 5x5 with my Scorpion Diablo. If it can be run vertical then I will set my vertical stand against one wall and the lamp parallel to the plants.
This is one of my stands.

And this is one full.

Will research it this week, that may be my next grow, although I do want to do at horizontal SCrog soon.
I will keep you informed!

Horselover fat · Jan 31, 2022

If you know when they come it might be possible to hide a tent, but realistically it isn't an option really, imo. How much do you yield or need to yield? Are you maxing out your space?

Kind Sir · Jan 31, 2022

I can definitely have a tent I was just trying to see my options. I’ve been running a 4x4 bed and it’s just a lot of space without a dedicated room you know?

I don’t need a certain yield, strictly a hobby pretty much…I just don’t want an obnoxious tent in my room, if I could use more vertical space you know? I have an HLG scorpion R Spec (nice LED,) and want to utilize that.

I’ll get back to you gr865 tomorrow!

Horselover fat said:
If you know when they come it might be possible to hide a tent, but realistically it isn't an option really, imo. How much do you yield or need to yield? Are you maxing out your space?

ttystikk · Feb 4, 2022

The main drawback to vertical grows is how long it takes to grow the plant tall enough to fill out the trellis panel. Other than that it's a good way to get a lot of yield from a small patch of floor space.

Place white plastic against the wall, inside the tent or not, your choice. Set up a vertical trellis in front of the plastic with a 4-6" gap for airflow. Place the light 24-30" back from the trellis.

There's no point in lighting the panel above the plant while it grows, so while it's in the veg stage hang the light above the plant so the plant grows up towards it.

Kind Sir · Feb 5, 2022

Interesting. Do you have a guide that you’d suggest for vertical noobies? I used to grow in a 4x4 bed but don’t have the space for a bit but the grow must go on.

You have the light horizontal during veg and tilt it during flower it sounds. You must train the plant completely different then right?

Lastly, overall is there much of a yield difference? You said it takes longer to veg, but if you are using a smaller space that means you can fit more right? I have this light, worry about it sitting vertically too.

HLG Scorpion® Rspec®

HLG Scorpion Rspec is designed for grows with low ceiling heights or vertical racks. HLG Scorpion Rspec uses 6x Rspec 288 Quantum Boards for an even light spread at just 12" from the canopy. QB 288 uses Samsung's latest LM301H and Deep Red LED 660nm. Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow light

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ttystikk said:
The main drawback to vertical grows is how long it takes to grow the plant tall enough to fill out the trellis panel. Other than that it's a good way to get a lot of yield from a small patch of floor space.

Place white plastic against the wall, inside the tent or not, your choice. Set up a vertical trellis in front of the plastic with a 4-6" gap for airflow. Place the light 24-30" back from the trellis.

There's no point in lighting the panel above the plant while it grows, so while it's in the veg stage hang the light above the plant so the plant grows up towards it.

Cynister · Feb 5, 2022

I've seen some commercial grow houses growing vertically and the yields they get are crazy man!

Kind Sir · Feb 5, 2022

I havnt seen any in person but definitely online, some looked great. It sure looked like they were some monsters, I was kinda wondering why I never saw any grow pics doing vertical.

Are there more pros to horizontal growing rather than vertical, bc it seems like that’s what everyone does and many don’t have a ton of space you know

Cynister said:
I've seen some commercial grow houses growing vertically and the yields they get are crazy man!

ttystikk · Feb 5, 2022

Kind Sir said:
I havnt seen any in person but definitely online, some looked great. It sure looked like they were some monsters, I was kinda wondering why I never saw any grow pics doing vertical.

Are there more pros to horizontal growing rather than vertical, bc it seems like that’s what everyone does and many don’t have a ton of space you know

People do what they know and they're gonna grow the way they're comfortable with. You can do SOG vertically, it takes the right equipment.

A lot of folks just do a low rise grow and then put another tray over the first, etc, so you end up with stacked trays.

There's a lot of ways to do it. I specialised in vertical plane ScrOG because of a combination of yields per square foot and relative ease of access.

Kind Sir · Feb 5, 2022

I see why people do what they know, I’m lost with what you’re saying. My situation just changed and don’t NEED to do very anymore but i’m intrigued by it. I’ve been doing notill in a 4x4 with a nice LED. I’d definitely learn vertical growing if the yield/time ratio was worth it!

I guess I wouldn’t be using my 4x4 anymore though

ttystikk said:
People do what they know and they're gonna grow the way they're comfortable with. You can do SOG vertically, it takes the right equipment.

A lot of folks just do a low rise grow and then put another tray over the first, etc, so you end up with stacked trays.

There's a lot of ways to do it. I specialised in vertical plane ScrOG because of a combination of yields per square foot and relative ease of access.

ttystikk · Feb 6, 2022

Kind Sir said:
I see why people do what they know, I’m lost with what you’re saying. My situation just changed and don’t NEED to do very anymore but i’m intrigued by it. I’ve been doing notill in a 4x4 with a nice LED. I’d definitely learn vertical growing if the yield/time ratio was worth it!

I guess I wouldn’t be using my 4x4 anymore though

Where did I lose you?

OneHitDone · Feb 6, 2022

Kind Sir said:
I see why people do what they know, I’m lost with what you’re saying. My situation just changed and don’t NEED to do very anymore but i’m intrigued by it. I’ve been doing notill in a 4x4 with a nice LED. I’d definitely learn vertical growing if the yield/time ratio was worth it!

I guess I wouldn’t be using my 4x4 anymore though

The finished flower quality from a vertical scrog is inferior to horizontal. Think about it - the plants are grivtropic and your hitting the flowers from 1 side with light.
If you were to do a vert grow look at the octagon multi-tier setups with high plant count. Basically drop in clones and flip to bloom.
I also have a journal here in the vertical section if you wanna check out my vert run :peace:

⚠︎ Brother OneHitDone Gone VERTICAL ⇪

I guess it's time to introduce myself over here in the Vertical Growing section of the forum. Typically I have been lurking around in the "LED and Other" section of the site but I have decided to give some vertical growing a try. I am always keeping my eye on the other lighting techs but for...

www.rollitup.org

OneHitDone · Feb 6, 2022

Kind Sir said:
I feel like a child having to ask this. Long story short I’ve grown in a basement but have to temporarily move. Moving into a house that i’m renting from family, 1 floor/no basement. They may want to casually see what i’ve done with my place, and will be coming over occasionally.
I’ve been using a 4x4 bed but i’d need a 5x5 tent, and i’m open tj suggestions on how to hide a tent that big, I was thinking maby vertical growing may work better?

I have an HLG Scorpion R Spec, and it says it’s vert growing compatible. Thoughts on this?

I believe this is in reference to multi-tier racking grow systems. No shooting the light at the wall, but it certainly would also work for that.

ttystikk · Feb 7, 2022

OneHitDone said:
The finished flower quality from a vertical scrog is inferior to horizontal. Think about it - the plants are grivtropic and your hitting the flowers from 1 side with light.
If you were to do a vert grow look at the octagon multi-tier setups with high plant count. Basically drop in clones and flip to bloom.
I also have a journal here in the vertical section if you wanna check out my vert run

⚠︎ Brother OneHitDone Gone VERTICAL ⇪

I guess it's time to introduce myself over here in the Vertical Growing section of the forum. Typically I have been lurking around in the "LED and Other" section of the site but I have decided to give some vertical growing a try. I am always keeping my eye on the other lighting techs but for...

www.rollitup.org

I'm not buying this for a second. I've personally grown many pounds of top quality buds using vertical techniques.

Cannabis is at least as phototropic as it is gravitropic, and in any case properly designed vertical gardening doesn't hinder either.

OneHitDone · Feb 7, 2022

ttystikk said:
I'm not buying this for a second. I've personally grown many pounds of top quality buds using vertical techniques.

Cannabis is at least as phototropic as it is gravitropic, and in any case properly designed vertical gardening doesn't hinder either.

Do you have any recent harvest / crop photo's to share?

This flower is from a horizontal system with as you would say that outdated lighting tech :lol:

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