January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

hanimmal

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Now that the oath keepers are indicted, how long before Roger Stone is?
It really does seem like a matter of time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/13/meta-alphabet-twitter-reddit-subpoenas-house-committee/
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Congressional investigators on Thursday issued subpoenas to the parent companies of Facebook, Google, as well as Twitter and Reddit, for failing to provide complete information on how their social media platforms spread falsehoods that fomented the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The move, a sharp escalation in a long-brewing standoff between investigators and the companies, came after months of seeking data from the companies that yielded “inadequate responses” to the House committee investigating the Capitol siege, said its chairman, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), in a news release. Twitter and Reddit also were served with subpoenas by the committee on Thursday.

“We cannot allow our work to be delayed any longer,” Thompson said in a statement. “Two key questions for the Select Committee are how the spread of misinformation and violent extremism contributed to the violent attack on our democracy, and what steps — if any — social media companies took to prevent their platforms from being breeding grounds to radicalizing people to violence.”

Thompson said that, despite requests for information sent in August, “we still not have the documents and information necessary to answer those basic questions.”

Facebook groups topped 10,000 daily attacks on election before Jan. 6, analysis shows

Spokespeople for the companies did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Facebook’s parent company is Meta. Alphabet owns Google and YouTube.

Trump and his supporters used social media sites to spread falsehoods about the validity of Joe Biden’s victory over Trump in the November 2020 presidential election, with many posts calling for extraordinary action — including violence in some cases — to prevent Biden from ascending to the White House. On Jan. 6, Congress was meeting to certify the election’s results, a procedural formality, when hundreds of Trump supporters bashed their way into the building as part of clashes that left five people dead.

No social company has provided an exhaustive account of its role in spreading these ideas, and a request in August for evidence did not yield as much information as the committee wanted for its investigation.

Both Republicans and Democrats in Congress have been sharpening their bipartisan criticism of technology companies for years, regularly demanding that executives appear for hearings and accusing them of a variety of misdeeds — antitrust, bias, spreading misinformation and more — at a time when polling consistently shows Americans disenchanted with the industry. At the same time, their stock prices have soared to record heights during the covid-19 pandemic.

Demands for answers about social media’s role in the Jan. 6 violence have come mainly from Democrats, and the companies have at once sought to play down their role while quietly resisting demands for evidence that might provide a fuller picture. An investigation by ProPublica and The Washington Post recently found that more than 650,000 posts in Facebook groups attacked the integrity of the election — a pace averaging more than 10,000 a day — in the weeks leading up to the Capitol attack. Many called for arrests, executions and other violence against those seeking to keep Trump from maintaining the presidency in the face of his electoral loss.

In a letter sent to Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of Meta, Thompson said the committee had specifically asked Facebook for information about reports that the company had disbanded a Civic Integrity Team that was focused on election misinformation after the election. “However, despite repeated and specific requests for documents related to these matters, the Select Committee still has not received these materials,” Thompson wrote.

A letter to Alphabet, the parent company of Google and YouTube, asked for specific information regarding YouTube, a platform it described as providing “significant communications by its users that were relevant to the planning and execution of January 6th attack on the United States Capitol.” The letter noted that former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon had live-streamed his podcast on YouTube in the days before and after Jan. 6, 2021, and that images of the Capitol insurrection were carried live on YouTube.

“The Select Committee believes Alphabet has significant undisclosed information that is critical to its investigation, concerning how Alphabet developed, implemented, and reviewed its content moderation, algorithmic promotion, demonetization, and other policies that may have affected the January 6, 2021 events,” the letter said.

Twitter was similarly reprimanded in a letter accompanying the subpoena. Thompson wrote that “Twitter has failed to disclose critical information …For example, Twitter has not produced important documents relating to warnings it received regarding the use of the platform to plan or incite violence on January 6th.”

Similar complaints were lodged in a letter to the CEO of Reddit which hosted “r/The_Donald,” which grew significantly on Reddit before migrating to a separate website in 2020. Thompson’s letter said that site “ultimately hosted significant discussion and planning related to the January 6th attack” and he criticized the company for not responding to previously requested information.
 

printer

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as much as i hate bitch mcconnell, i'd love to have him on my side. kinda like tom brady.
He is like Pelosi, one of the old guard that knows how to play the game. The new kiddies wanting to play on the big chairs have no clue. I dislike him for some of the things he has made happen but at least he plays by the rules, even if he bends them. He does not want to burn the house down though.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Now that the oath keepers are indicted, how long before Roger Stone is?


Ole one eye might sell his ass, if he figures he will get out of federal prison in a bag, even make shit up! I hope they don't forget the proud boys and other militia groups who lead the charge into the capitol and charge them as well. This indictment will be amended or new one's filed, this conspiracy had a lot of moving parts, all intended to retain power illegibly. The forged electoral certifications are as much a part of the plan as the mob and efforts to overturn free and fair elections by those in state houses and congress. Even Trump himself has been recorded breaking the law in Georgia by calling election officials and demanding they commit fraud for him.

They need to look at the big picture here, there were hundreds of people involved in this seditious conspiracy and coup attempt. The plots and schemes were many and should even include Dejoy fucking up the USPS pre election, as well as all the false post election legal claims files with no supporting evidence. The 1/6 insurrection could be the key to these other assholes going down too, it started a deep serious investigation by congress and they are serious about referring indictments to the DOJ.
 

captainmorgan

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PA GOP Senate candidate Everett Stern announces he was approached earlier this year by representatives of Michael Flynn’s ‘Patriot Caucus’ to “gather intelligence” on Senators, Judges and Congressman in order to extort them to support audits. He says he gave the evidence to Feds.
 

Bagginski

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Leader of Oath Keepers and 10 Other Individuals Indicted in Federal Court for Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses related to U.S. Capitol Breach

Eight Others Facing Charges in Two Related Cases

WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment yesterday, which was unsealed today, charging 11 defendants with seditious conspiracy and other charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, which disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress that was in the process of ascertaining and counting the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
According to court documents, Elmer Stewart Rhodes III, 56, of Granbury, Texas, who is the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers; and Edward Vallejo, 63, of Phoenix, Arizona, are being charged for the first time in connection with events leading up to and including Jan. 6. Rhodes was arrested this morning in Little Elm, Texas, and Vallejo was arrested this morning in Phoenix.

In addition to Rhodes and Vallejo, those named in the indictment include nine previously charged defendants: Thomas Caldwell, 67, of Berryville, Virginia; Joseph Hackett, 51, of Sarasota, Florida; Kenneth Harrelson, 41, of Titusville, Florida; Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Alabama; Kelly Meggs, 52, of Dunnellon, Florida; Roberto Minuta, 37, of Prosper, Texas ; David Moerschel, 44, of Punta Gorda, Florida; Brian Ulrich, 44, of Guyton, Georgia, and Jessica Watkins, 39, of Woodstock, Ohio. In addition to the earlier charges filed against them, they now face additional counts for seditious conspiracy and other offenses.

Eight other individuals affiliated with the Oath Keepers, all previously charged in the investigation, remain as defendants in two related cases. All defendants – except Rhodes and Vallejo – previously were charged in a superseding indictment. The superseding indictment has now effectively been split into three parts: the 11-defendant seditious conspiracy case, a seven-defendant original case, and a third case against one of the previously charged defendants.

In one of the related cases, the original superseding indictment, charges remain pending against James Beeks, 49, of Orlando, Florida; Donovan Crowl, 51, of Cable, Ohio; William Isaacs, 22, of Kissimmee, Florida; Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida; Sandra Parker, 63, of Morrow, Ohio; Bernie Parker, 71, of Morrow, Ohio, and Laura Steele, 53, of Thomasville, North Carolina. The other case charges Jonathan Walden, 57, of Birmingham, Alabama.

The three indictments collectively charge all 19 defendants with corruptly obstructing an official proceeding. Eighteen of the 19 defendants – the exception is Walden – are charged with conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiring to prevent an officer of the United States from discharging a duty. Eleven of the 19 defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy. Some of the defendants are also facing other related charges.

As alleged in the indictments, the Oath Keepers are a large but loosely organized collection of individuals, some of whom are associated with militias. Though the Oath Keepers will accept anyone as members, they explicitly focus on recruiting current and former military, law enforcement, and first-responder personnel. Members and affiliates of the Oath Keepers were among the individuals and groups who forcibly entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The seditious conspiracy indictment alleges that, following the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election, Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants and others to oppose by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021. Beginning in late December 2020, via encrypted and private communications applications, Rhodes and various co-conspirators coordinated and planned to travel to Washington, D.C., on or around Jan. 6, 2021, the date of the certification of the electoral college vote, the indictment alleges. Rhodes and several co-conspirators made plans to bring weapons to the area to support the operation. The co-conspirators then traveled across the country to the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in early January 2021.

According to the seditious conspiracy indictment, the defendants conspired through a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates to participate in the conspiracy; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with co-conspirators and others.

On Jan. 6, 2021, a large crowd began to gather outside the Capitol perimeter as the Joint Session of Congress got under way at 1 p.m. Crowd members eventually forced their way through, up, and over U.S. Capitol Police barricades and advanced to the building’s exterior façade. Shortly after 2 p.m., crowd members forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, ramming open doors, and assaulting Capitol police and other law enforcement officers. At about this time, according to the indictment, Rhodes entered the restricted area of the Capitol grounds and directed his followers to meet him at the Capitol.

At approximately 2:30 p.m., as detailed in the indictment, Hackett, Harrelson, Meggs, Moerschel, and Watkins, and other Oath Keepers and affiliates – many wearing paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo, and insignia – marched in a “stack” formation up the east steps of the Capitol, joined a mob, and made their way into the Capitol. Later, another group of Oath Keepers and associates, including James, Minuta, and Ulrich, formed a second “stack” and breached the Capitol grounds, marching from the west side to the east side of the Capitol building and up the east stairs and into the building.


While certain Oath Keepers members and affiliates breached the Capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city in quick reaction force (QRF) teams. According to the indictment, the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. The indictment alleges that the teams were coordinated, in part, by Caldwell and Vallejo.

The charge of seditious conspiracy carries a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Valuable assistance was provided by U.S. Attorney’s Offices in the Northern District of Texas and the District of Arizona.

The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office with valuable assistance provided by the FBI’s Dallas and Phoenix Field Offices. These charges are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices, including those in Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Arizona, Alabama and Georgia, among other locations.

In the one year since Jan. 6, more than 725 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 225 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.
I burn a candle every night for the integrity and safety of the investigators and investigation, and for truth and justice to win out; and for the nation to endure, build back better, that we learn from the mistakes being exposed every day, and find a new way for ourselves as a nation and as a people - reach for that more perfect union.
 

Bagginski

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Ole one eye might sell his ass, if he figures he will get out of federal prison in a bag, even make shit up! I hope they don't forget the proud boys and other militia groups who lead the charge into the capitol and charge them as well. This indictment will be amended or new one's filed, this conspiracy had a lot of moving parts, all intended to retain power illegibly. The forged electoral certifications are as much a part of the plan as the mob and efforts to overturn free and fair elections by those in state houses and congress. Even Trump himself has been recorded breaking the law in Georgia by calling election officials and demanding they commit fraud for him.

They need to look at the big picture here, there were hundreds of people involved in this seditious conspiracy and coup attempt. The plots and schemes were many and should even include Dejoy fucking up the USPS pre election, as well as all the false post election legal claims files with no supporting evidence. The 1/6 insurrection could be the key to these other assholes going down too, it started a deep serious investigation by congress and they are serious about referring indictments to the DOJ.
Too many traitors in the coup!

How many admitted and discovered efforts to terrorized Congress do we have now, 3? “The Green Bay Sweep”, the Proud Boys effort, the Oathkeepers effort, I’m sure I’m missing at least one other…if the matter in question - protecting and preserving the constitution we have against enemies foreign and domestic - weren’t so crucially important, this shit would be funny as hell. A real Three Stooges effort of independent contractors taking on the details of a government overthrow. THIS is the shit I mean when I talk about how ONLY brainwashed people could fall for it. The no-longer plausible deniability, the illusion of probity and respectability, dispelled; the fake conservatism, the fake patriotism, the sheer lunging for control of the levers of power, the naked grasping for any pretext at all.

Seriously, this isn’t as simple as a difference of opinion. I agree with you, that they are pulling out everything they know as investigators of corrupt organizations and criminal enterprises. It can’t be as simple as putting *these* people in jail and out of government, we need to make sure that the weaknesses exposed by this are made strong. Ben was right: we only have it if we can keep it - and we can only keep it up if we keep looking up and looking around…and ACTING on what we see. Build back *better*, indeed.
 

Bagginski

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The real danger is when Volodya figures out ours don’t stay bought.
THIS.

Remember when Shrub said, “they hate us for our freedom”?

Not true: they hate us because we hold power without honor…’our’ principles are for sale - we’re not honest brokers of our own ideals. We’re a social-Darwinist global empire, managed by opinion-makers, making the world safe for private government (feudal, autocratic, unaccountable) once again.

And as you point out, we can’t even be trusted to stay bought…which, I say as a citizen, is not a good look for my country.
 

CatHedral

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THIS.

Remember when Shrub said, “they hate us for our freedom”?

Not true: they hate us because we hold power without honor…’our’ principles are for sale - we’re not honest brokers of our own ideals. We’re a social-Darwinist global empire, managed by opinion-makers, making the world safe for private government (feudal, autocratic, unaccountable) once again.

And as you point out, we can’t even be trusted to stay bought…which, I say as a citizen, is not a good look for my country.
It would help if we offered extended lease and warranty terms on our commercial loyalty. Perhaps a Lloyds rating.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Word is that the Oath Keepers who are cooperating with the DOJ have handed over their encrypted messages. I bet Roger Stone isn't having the best day, seeing as how a few of them were his bodyguards on 1/6.
Not to mention the phones they seized when they busted them. If they did crack the telegram encryption, they wouldn't say so, but would use phone data or other sources when they could. It looks like they are going the direct route to the top, I haven't heard if the proud boys and other groups who lead the charge at the capitol are gonna be indicted for sedition too.
 
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