Story of an accidental monstercrop - Gelato #33 Fast by BioBuds

BioBuds

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Hi my homegrowing friends,

Thank you for visiting my growdiary. I always read the accounts of other grows here with much delight and thought I might contribute one myself after a surprising grow in a new setup, with a new soil recipe (which I'll share with you) and some experimenting with permaculture tea made from comfrey.

So without further delaying, this is the account of an accidental reveg / monstercrop with a grower that previously never heard of monstercropping.

I hope you can find helpfull things and learn from my mishaps and experiments in a new setup. If you also are growing Gelato 33 Fast or have a similar grow setup or you encounter accidental revegging and are forced to monstercrop while previously heaving never heard of this, welcome to this account of an adventure with plot twists and suspense.

Next to getting to know my grow setup, Im working with a new soil composition, a hybrid between coco and supersoil. Also were trying out our compost tea made from comfrey. So these are a lot of variables and stuff to potentially go wrong. Also with our soiltype it should correct itself, but my PH and PPm meters aren't in yet so I will start the grow with some guesswork on the feed, for the 1st four weeks we should be ok with the starting nutrients.

Techniques used:

Scrogging, LST, HST, supercropping, revegging, monstercropping, defoliation


The Setup:

My growspace is a Spiderfarmer 4.5 x 2 x 6.5 (140 x 70 x 200), not a standard width a little wider, which later gives me limited choices in growlights so we'll get to that later. I chose this because its fits the space I had available and my friend had experiences with a square tent, that its harder to reach the plants in the back.

Findings so far about the tent: I expected a little more quality from a tent in the higher range. Zippers are good, but my friends smaller rectangular tent from Secret Jardin has sidebars preventing the tent from sucking in and im losing about a foot of growspace in the center of the tent. So I will have to fix this before plants get bigger, so the tent so far litterally sucks.... Dont choose this option from Spider Farmer.

In this grow diary, which are the accounts of my first indoor grow in a new setup, I work with the Rubol V3 QBs 3 x 100 Watt in a selfmade frame. Since my space is rectangular and longer than the 1.20 m standard (1.40 (4.5 ft)), I chose to make a custom board. I was looking at others like the Mars Hydro SP 3000 but the light is a meter wide so left and right I would have 20 cm of less lighted space. I then ordered the lights: https://www.rubol.nl/product/rubol-samsung-lm301b-quantum-board-v3-cree-xp-e2-660nm730nm-330w-diy-kit/ and had an old storage cabinet which I used parts of to make a frame for the lights. It looks shabby but its sturdy and it works.

So far Im pleased with the lights. After first installing them I was very disappointed with the results, however after checking with Justin at Rubol I had made the mistake of not installing them in serial so the boards were getting a total of 100 Watts instead of 100 Watts per board from the driver. After hitting the switch it was as if the heavens had opened and shining down on me. Checking with the parmeters on my phone I was in the correct lux and PPF readings, for as far as phone apps go.

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The Soil:

After following Mr Canuck on Youtube and his experiences with super soil and my own experiences with permaculture growing in the backyard and a fondness of organically grown weed, I had decided to formulate my own supersoil with what I had available. In Europe we don't have Fox Farms Ocean Soil or Gaia green supplements, so I faked it with my own mix and ended up with a hybrid mix that remains airy and light needs only a few amendmends later in the grow and the plants seem happy.

When I received the clones, they also took the the new soil instantly and instead of being stressed by the move by car, into new lights (formerly blurples) they exploded as you can see in the next weeks. Even though, as we later discovered, there was a catch with these clones...

Soil mix: 30 % cocopeat, 30% Bi Grow Biosoil by Atami and 30% worm castings. I had opted for less wormcastings however, there was no soil available except these bags so topped it off. It proved to be a happy little accident. I can seriously recommend this soilcombination to any starting grower, just add water the first 4 weeks (with right PH)

The Nutrients:

I had bought some BAC Biotablets to crush as topdress to replace the Gaia green amendmend Canuck was adding. Also we have our own comfrey compost tea in the garden, later in the diary I will make a small video of how to make it, or at least how I made it. Which although smelling horrible, works well with soil PH and surprising little smell in the tent. More like a full musky smell of Greenhouse and weed. Ive grown to love the smell of farming in the morning :P

So the crushed Biotabs are for when the soilmix I started with has lost its starting nutrients.

In the meantime I add some BAC Calmag to support the extra need for the LEDlight. I also add some extra mils of Green Sensation by plagron, just for the PK. I switch between Plagron and BAC for grow and bloom food. I also amend with some woodash during flower.

To conlude: I use topmax and sugarsirup during flowering to help develop budgrowth and terps.

The Genetics:

My friend @styliaga has been growing indoor for some time now and had had made me a clone from a cutting. These are Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds. These arent an option to choose, but I already chose the Gelato #33 as main strain for this diary.

With clones I could have a rolling start and skip the whole seedling stage. A shortcut that would have some implications.

So far they are forgiving plants even under harsh circumstances, ideal for beginners like me.

We're off on our little adventure.

The mother of the clones gelato #33



The First Week

Thanks to a grower I know, who gave me three clones of Gelato 33 I have a rolling start, also some conditions not ideal: the clones were bit wet, also fungus gnats because of this. Bit crappy in new growroom. The clones are not of same age. But, who complains, with free clones?

I let them acclimatise for couple of days. Soil is mix of coco coir, worm castings and be grow bio grow mix, with some extra fishmix, has couple of weeks of organic food in them, see for specifics the intro in Germination stage.

Now im just watering with Plagron Root booster, Plagron Green Sensation and Calmag, I have some purple stems. I give them 1 liter per plant per 3 days, a little less for the smaller plants, a little more for the bigger. Later Im going to use homemade compost tea made with comfrey and nettle in combination with topdress with BAC Flowerbooster, BAC biotabs, supplemented with biobizz topmax. Big plant is already fimmed by previous owner on my request.

They also had flowers and the single petals of revegging problem. Turns out they had been in 16 hrs schedule and as smaller plants surrounded by bigger ones, had not had enough light and began flowering. All three plants had this.

Although all these inhereted problems, enough to make some strains give up, after the move, change of lights (from blurple), change of soil and change of food, I can clearly see the plants are stressed but they still give growth.

Hats of the strain but also the soil. Which has proven itself already and causing my friend to copy the recepy and see enourmous growth instantly. So we learned a lot already. Since I was planning to do a SOG or SCROG. I fimmed the smaller plants but now we shall have the prep the SOG for supercropping.


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The Second week

Started stressing the older clone. Also because of space limitations and in an effort to let the other two catch up, I fimmed the other two. The older clone was already fimmed by he previous owner on my request.

I water the plants 1 liter for the smaller ones every 3 days. And one and a half for the big one every three days. Could go more but trying to keep the soil as dry as possible to get rid of fungus gnats.

I can already see the effects of the revegging as all plants are making single fingered new growth. My friend had kept them (for noise and sleeps next to it) on a 16 hour schedule. They didnt seem to like this and are now stressed.

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Because I was late (the plants are now 19 days (the smaller ones) and almost 4 weeks (the bigger one), I decide to do HST to the bigger clone to et the smaller ones catch up(you can also see the clones are still flowering).

I will have to try to revert them to veg, because this is a fastflowering strain, maybe they'll never really fully reveg, and how am I ever going to make a leveled scrog out of this? Sigh... Seeds would have been fun.... :)
 

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The Third Week

Some light stress and companions planted (calendula, catnip and someting I forgot, maybe comfrey). Catnip has germinated, calendula was seedling when planted. Comfrey hasnt germinated, note to self, pregerminate companions for better coverage during vegetative. Im still finding the optimal range without white tips. To handle the lightstress I turned down the lights and plants seem to enjoy. Growth is way faster, plants have caught up with plants from same tent at previous owner / giver of clones. Although I found out I have way too high PH.

Coming watering just with tapwater and some calmag.

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The Fourth Week

In the middle of correcting the ph problem, the gnat problem and recovering from the lightstress, still much new growth and growth overall. Gnats are almost gone with watering regime. Soon I will topdress the soil and set them into flowering mode. Maybe 2 or 3 weeks, depending how the biggest lady will fill out the tent.

The single fingered leaves are still present so not revegged yet.

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The Fifth Week

Last week I grossly underestimed the 'sour power' of my homemade compost tea. So I ended up with a ph of about 4, I had missed it since im still waiting for my PH meter but the wierd red hue on the leaves and loss of the vibrant green colors told me something was amiss.

I made a solution of baking powder (teaspoon) and compensated the watered soil with that mix. Also i sprayed the leaves with a high phosphorous feed to give them their daily dose without having to wait to next feed after neutralizing soil.

On the first images you can see growth was never really stunted. Most of the wild growth and strange leaves were from the revegging which had happened before clones were given to me. But you can see the vibrant greens are returning.

Normally I would have done some selected pruning earlier. Because of all the stress management (on top: plants were also fimmed last week) I had thought it better to give them some rest. But the tent will be too small soon and I dont want the undersgrowth to get too big and use up all the food so now all was stabilized, I went for it and defoliated a bit heavier. Some selective pruning on hidden and lower branches and to finish some supercropping and HST to direct the buds down and out again.


My growroom is not that big... will have to make some choices.

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So we went to town on them... sorry planties...

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They had recovered within a day!

Now to choose what to do, reveg them longer or go to flowering now, I have my growtent to consider but I also most definately dont like the uneveness... It will foil my plans....


I don't mind questions or other posts in between my posts!
Thank you for your support!!
 

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The Sixth Week

After another week of balancing PH and food, came to conclusion that I have a sulphur shortage. The purple lines on the stems, reddish hue on the leaves. The nutes in the bi grow and coco peat earth will have been depleted after 6 to 7 weeks so I started topdressing with crushed BAC tablets on the earth. I also made a leafspray with some epsom salt to remedy immediate sulphur depletion. Instantly the greens began returning. What a difference in just a couple of days.

The big one was cloned on the 4th of april and the small about 14th of april. On 5th of may i put them their new home. 7.5 weeks and 9 weeks to be correct... With this knowledge the smaller ones could go for another week...

The lushness greens are returning. The larger plant really wants to go and Im at a point now that with a couple of days Im gonna let her. The smaller ones will stretch a little too so lets hope it all fills the tent. The bigger plant is fighting for space with them so its time...

Companion plants im testing: catnip, red clover, calendula.

Cant wait for flowering and harvest!

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The canopy is getting more even, the rest I will train out while the flowering stretch starts.


The Seventh Week (Flowering started (for realz this time))

A week further and have started the flowering. I write this a couple of days later, with now more knowlegde about revegging and can conclude I started too flower too early. Especially the big plant, which was still not completely revegged. On the upside, I got to learn lots about revegging, also to know that it might take weeks for the plants to make the switch again and produce buds :(, should have waited few more weeks for revegging done. So wet on with defoliating, the left plant on the pictures I still have to do and trained budsites more sideways and some leaftucking, strategic defoliage on top.

We shall see. The plants are not happy and im going to feed them some Biobizz Alg-A-Mic to help them destress and ease the suffering, thankfully @styliaga gave me some. I will do another update after coming feed and recovery.

As a tip if you ever go re-veg a plant: let them finish the process.

I can see the monster growth of lots of micro budsites developping in the canopy. Hopefully with enough time they will develop into a sea of chunky danky goodness.

The lights I put a little higher, for safety, while I'm adjusting the dimmer to full, to let them acclimatise to the full light. No light points yet, after two days, not even the leafs curling up like in the beginning. Some things go well...

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Fuller canopy

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Some more training!

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The Rubol lights in action!


The Eighth Week

We are a week into flowering now. Saw 10 cm of growth, where the temp meter is now covered. Also installed a homemade scrognet to keep filling out the tent, instead of height. The middle plant definately goes faster into flowering (it already had the flowers in revegging), since it revegged as clone, but this was one was bigger.

I think it needed more time to completely reveg. Especcially since this is a fastflowering kind. So it could be it somewhere just quits making buds because it never really quit flowering. Lets hope for a monstercrop sea of compact nugs.

The other ones just had revegged (it just had been forming 5 fingered leaves again) and were then battered into flowering again.... Would it have hurt to let them a couple a weeksmore adjusting? No of course not.

Just an impatient budherder that wants the girls in the barn before winter.... Lesson learned, give them more time. For now, with officially 5 weeks of flowering to go... Lets see where this ends...

I crafted a scrognet, not perfect yet, but will do for now. Took of all the lower budsites and underside leafs second time since flowering. I did two stages to see how they would fill out and after I could better see what buds had a fighting chance and what buds were going to be larffodder...

Overall I find my two younger ladies a bit on the pale / lime side... Maybe cause I keep plucking older leafs off.... Well Im going to let them now, only further stresstraining them under the net, maybe a leaf when its covering a budsite, but want to give it a few weeks peace now, to develop its precious cargo.

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Yes more even canopy, OCD me is happy!

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Now we seem more set for a good harvest...

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Lets see where this is going....
 

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The Nineth Week

Ok were on the edge of too high temps for this week as we are having a warm week with temps over 30 degrees celcius. So with the fans on full blast I've managed to keep it below 30... Should be fine, massive growth and massive budgrowth. The monstercrop is honourings its name with loads of budsites in the scrogg. And we have at least 4 more weeks to go. So it should deliver some nice nugs, although this strain is not a high yielder in any diary I've seen.

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Wouldnt advice on this gelato from Advanced Seeds so far, although it kept itself well with all the stuff going on, I don't see anyone getting big yields with this strain. No matter the setup....

If you want bigger yields with Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds, you should let it veg 2 weeks, then let it flower for 2 weeks, then get them back in veg for 4 weeks and start flower again. Now it wont shoot into the air with weird internodal spacing.

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You see with the other two plants who only flowered for one of two weeks, then revegged, they still have the high offshooting buds so sweet spot is 2,5 weeks flowerin or flowering from seed, then switching to veg for 4 weeks and before it can make ful transfer, switch back. We shall see the endresult and the difference between older and younger clone.

Ive been amending the compost tea made of comfrey with woodash since flowering has started, not only does it bring the PH of the compost tea back up, so I can use more of it, it also provides some extra P and K. I'm carefull not to overdo it to sustain all the life in the tea and the soil. Since woodash in itself is very alkaline.

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I do like how they fill out nicely, how the soil is providing buffer and how they have recovered, nice lush green, all leafs intact and little sign of deficiency. I topdressed the soil with a layer of wormcastings, some more crushed BAC tablets and heavy on the Green Sensation.

I defoliated some more so we have nice lollipops going and results in budgrowth instantly, also removed tiny budsites on the underside.
Half way 3rd week of flowering I experiment with lights 5 cm lower, Im now in the 800 ppfd range, no white points yet...


The Tenth week

The end of the fourth week. Only 2,5 to 3 weeks to go, since this is the FAST version of Gelato 33 by Advanced seeds.

Last week temps were better, so that was a lot better to manage. The smell is a different story. We are trying to combat it as we speak with a double filter which my friend still had from a previous grow.

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The ladies are performing, however, because this is a monstercrop with many budsites, none of them will be very big. We anticipate a lot of cutting come harvest time.

The stickieness and smell (cookies, dough, herbs, spices, gingerbread, vanilla) promise a lot to make up for that hopefully!!

The middle plant that seemed to go fastest, now looks like to have the hardest time flowering. Her more advanced stage of flowering as a bigger clone, made it harder for her to return to veg, which she never really did.

This seems to make her want to rush to the finish, as she is already browning the pistils. Also these buds seem more flakey, popcorny. As if the many flowers and grapelike bundled growth was too much for her.

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I put the light a little closer, to help her fatten up in the time she is given. I never expected the two 'runts' to outperform the mighty middle clone, but hey seem to fatten up and age much more nicely.

So for now, prelimenary tip: make sure all your plants are completely revegged before flowering and consider that faster flowering species might have some ruderalis ancestry that might siderail all your lighting intentions and remains in flower what ever the growers lighting schedule.

So with at least two more weeks for the two outer plants, and well see how many for the middle one, we are going to make them as comfortable as possible the final push of this flowering.


The Eleventh Week

Last week was rather uneventfull. Just the way I like it. They are all getting more substance though. The middle one is more leafy, the two outer ones are more developed and although the biggest buds are maybe only the size of a lighter. Most buds have filled out with calixes and only little leaves. They are dense and compact.

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The smell is getting heavier. When close to the buds it reminds of expensive herbal perfumes like Rabane. I distinctly have a 'hug from your poppa' kind of association with it and memories start flowing....

It is citrussy but in the ethereal way, it is spicy in the 'spicetrader' way, a mixture of ginger, cinnamon, black pepper, with a huge funky basetone. This combined, its as if a master perfumer had composed an exquisite fragrance. The funk of an attick full of weed to serve as the musky base undertones upon which, a layer of earthy spices, upon which a floral and citrussy fresh layer.

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It is bloody amazing and I wished ya'll were with me to smell it and taste it when the time has come. I want to exersize patience but my god this smells better than any weed I recently acquired and we have some excellent dispensaries here.

So I've started giving them up to 4 ltrs ( a gallon) of water each, every two days or so. They seem to need it, no drooping but also bonedry earth till deep in the pot. SInce two days ago with less feed and today only the Biobizz Topmax and PH correction.
Although not really convinced of flushing, Im trying it to see if I get a more pure taste and experience.

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So trichomewise I find it hard to see, my magnifier is not strong enough to see the individual trichomes. I do see area's on leafedges etc that seem more amber, trichomes look milky from this distance but have get a better magnifier to get better view. On the images I see that there are many clear ones and not many ambers so we have some weeks to go which is correct according to Advanced Seeds, this Gelato #33 Fast has to flower 45 to 55 days, We are on day 39...


The plant itself seems utterly healthy. Some white points and very little heatstress from checking absolute minimum for these lights. You don't know until you find out. For anyone else looking for reviews on Rubol V3 100 watt QB's in a three in a row setup, with 10 cm spacing between each board, the minimal distance is 28 cm or one foot, when flowering, gradually lowering to this point btw. These lights are excellent, good value for money and with the two years of waranty a good investment. Also great service from Justin at www.rubol.nl. They are helpfull, considerate and very knowledgable.

So far so good, the grand finale is coming in just one or two weeks and I want to thank you for taking time and read all this, wish you were here for the harvestparty and may your harvest be bountifull!! See you next week!!
 

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The Twelveth Week

We are at 5 and a half weeks of flower. Im taking it day by day now. Some buds show amber and Im waiting until most good buds have the amber, but not too much. Considering stacked harvest, logistical problems with drying and growing at the same time make me want to harvest all in one go.

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Trying to figure out how I can keep temps around 15 and RH around 65 at start drying to prolong the drytimes... Don't have an airco and don't have a dehumidfier. I do have humidifier... So I will be nursing them through this time, trying to strectch the cure/ dry as long as I can.

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Starting to understand what they mean with 'monstercrop', check out all the budsites...

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I will update as week progresses with new images of the trichomes.


Half way the twelveth week

We are nearing the end of week 6, which is tomorrow. I have been flushing all week, the ladies still look steady. Some yellowing has started on middle plant, but only one or two buds. They have some life in them.

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The trichomes are going milky, one or two buds on the middle plant show some amber, but only on some leaves.

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The left plant is a little behind on the other two, like a day or two. Still watching the trichomes.

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The Thirteenth Week

Beginning of week 7, 6 full weeks of flower done, they should be ready this or next week. Trichomes are still mostly milky with few to no ambers. Some clear also still there. Found some larf hiding but able to reach the light so they are also fattening.

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Really hard to estimate how much it is going to be.

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Details about the grow and setup:

- 300 watt lights in 3 100 watt boards, 252 LM301b with 12 Cree. Thats one board per plant basically, giving 850 ppfd on average on canopy level.
- 140 cm (4.5 ft) by 70 cm (2ft) by 200 cm (6.5 ft) growtent.
- Temps have been stable, so has humidity but 10 % more than I would want in this stage of flower, at 50 to 55 %. Nugs feel dense though, compact and weight to it.
- middle plant has more buds, but are more larfy and little less dense.
- all buds have sprouted little mini buds on them adding weight
- Underlayer of buds are all less dense and more larfy.

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The Fourteenth Week

So been doin the whole Sherlock thing with the magnifier and nope.... no trichomes amber yet.... My magnifier is just not strong enough and apparently my eyesight is bollocks or my arms are too short... On the images ( I also have onset parkinsons as it seems, thus I used a tripod and low and behold: a stillshot) the trichomes are visible.

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Now I have the problem that I have to go for a week in a week. Im not leaving all on (mainly no control over smell and some distrust in my own handywork compiling these lights) when Im gone. So these ladies have to hurry up now. The other problem is the cure... I have no way to monitor temps and RH when Im away so Im gonna have to find a sitter for my babies or just cut them preprime or they magically make amber overnight....

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I hoped, since they were racing to the finish, that I would be in time.... So maybe we pack an extra tent for our vacation... My growtent...

I have been flushing for two weeks, still the leaves and plants are vigorous and lively. Some yellowing pointy bits but too minimal.... Temsp outdoor have been higher but stable, temps in the tent never over 26.8 degrees. Humidity has been dropping last days which I hoped for.

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Anyone any experience with building a climate chamber for curing? Or any on the market that will do?

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As an update:

I took some tiny larf of a couple of days ago and totally forgot about it. Today out of weed, I found the dried remains in the jar I put it in and left it. No temp, no cue, no rh anything. So I get it out of the jar to find it smelling like weed, not even hay or grass but pungeant stinky weed. I start to crumble and find it is sticky, solid, and crumbles to nice bits that crumble even further. I light up and an amazing sweet and citrussy smell comes free, it is superstrong, although still more high obviously, and supertasty, without any cure.

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This promises even more for the rest of the bunch. This was some underside sad yellowish larf,not any density to it but smoked ten times better than my local, round the corner dispensary weed that I smoked later that day. Even Sunshine (my partner) was amazed with difference in smell.

Update 24th july: I finally saw ambers yesterday and the fact me running out of time, made me decide to start the 48 hours of darkness. Tomorrow she/they will be cut down for drying and curing. I have a humidifier and can manage temps to be a bit colder to prolong first dry as long as possible. Coming friday I have to decide what to do: keep them hanging for a full week, whilst Im gone. Or start the jarcure if drying (since its very hot and dry here lately, this might be the case) is faster.

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I would have loved to give these ladies another week maybe two... They were still so healthy. But I cant control anything when Im not here and this could potentially destroy my harvest or get very smelly, this leaves me no choice for now... The trichs are now at +/- 15% to 20% rest is all milky with just some single clears on less developped lower buds... I allread know she is nice tasting and potent enough. As soon as we are at the final weight I will post the harvest and we choose the winner!

Another update: closer inspection revealed that the plants a/ had still lot of underside larf and b/ lots of clear trichomes. As we are near the finish I rather give them another week of light. So Ive bent all the big buds downwards to protect them from the light. I might not be able to correct the cure, but its a shame not give them another week if I can. Some will be horrified with the damage but my reasoning is simple, the big buds are done or almost, the larf still can develop into bigger buds so a late harvest supercrop and lowered the lights to 35 cm for the final push.
 
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The ladies are entering the 9th week, we have some ambers going but not enough. Just a couple more days and 24 hrs of darkness starts, so later this week the harvest is finaly there.

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Can't wait to see what the final tally will be.

Overview of what I've learned so far in this setup and indoor soil growing with LED:

- How to reveg and monstercrop, although not the plan, now I know how to do it.
- Larger branches are larger buds, more ventilation and airflow to keep branches thicker/shorter.
- How to supercrop and how not. How to scrog.
- How to get a good airy soil mix.
- How to water properly.
- When to feed and what they need, like extra sulphur in Epsom salt when stem is reddish and reddish hue over leaves.
- What distance and intensity the lights should be on and when.
- What genetics and sorts I like to grow.
- How to properly scrub the air, maintain the temps in the space the grow is in. Its mostly spot on 26, middle of summer. This space is very stable in moist and heat.
- What it takes to properly dry and cure, given my situation. Preparing a space and method.
- How long to feed with this setup and to flush earlier with these large amounts of nutes.
- How to defoliate and FIM, both succesfull.
- That I like big buds... I cannot lie... Size does matter a little...
- How to make a compost tea from comfrey and defoliated leaves.
- How not to smell forever when handling said tea.
- That this tea seems to have several effects:
a/ Instant fertilizer for leaves and soil
b/ Seems to create a white layer of fungal activity in the soil
c/ Seems to create more CO2 coming from the soil
d/ Works as PH Down and pretty stable and predictable
e/ Seems to ward of pests like gnats, they hate it.
f/ Seems to have influence in speed of flowering
g/ starting production of trichomes
h/ enlarging said trichomes
I/ aids in the real funk smell in plant and bud (they are what they eat too)
j/ Seems to aid in the terpenes. After feeding the smells really liven up and deepen.
k/ Saves on storebought
l/ Is easily amendable with wood ash to adapt to flowering stage.
m/ seems to regulate soil and plant processes.
n/ Seems to aid the adsorption of other nutrients
o/ Seems to repair deficiencies
p/ The difference between buds of her and the motherplant (that was under 300 watts also) has been day and night in leafyness, density, smells and quantity)
q/ Prevents build-up of salts and the usual caking on top.
r/ Seems to prevent other diseases, also in our garden.

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So it works...

In the harvest video we will show you the way we made the comfrey tea and where I keep it, our permagarden, introduce myself and maybe even Sunshine, the light of my life, introduces herself. So see you then!!
Thank you for al the love and following and the likes and the guesses!! Ill keep you posted!!

My review of strain so far:

Strain: Gelato #33 Fast
Good for beginners: XXXXX yes
High yielder: XXX What I've seen it's a medium yielder, jury still out on mine, smaller buds.
Resilliance: XXXXX extremely resiliant against lightproblems, fungus gnats, high PH in soil, low water conditions
Light lover: she does seem to perform best under higher watts
Mold / disease resistent: XXXXX extremely resistent
Nutrients: XXXX Needs loads of sulphur or my medium is short on available sulphur, next grow will tell, otherwise normal uptake, can resist up to 2000 PPM in organic nutrients (with the tea added)
Vigor: XXXXX even when stressed, never stunted, average stretch during flower
Ease of growing: XXXXX Easy to train, responds well to fimming. Clones well, clones resilliant too.
Trichomes: XXXXX Large trichome packs with longer than average size, leaves almost not visible by trichome cover (not known if his is average for G33 or because of tea).
Effect: Very strong, mental high, not so body stoned but what I smoked was not ripened yet.
Attention sucker: XXXXX she is a delight, very easy plant, loves attention but can do days to weeks without care, my training and defoliating regime made it more hands-on but that was my choice.
Smell during veg: XXXXX Green grass, hay, fresh piney, stronger than average even in veg.
Smell during flowering: XXXXX tones of musk, danky gorilla's ass, citrus, older mens after shaves, spices, gingerbread, cookiedough, vanilla
Smell during smoking: XXXXX citrus, deep fruitness, marzapan / almonds, piney
Taste: Taste was not optimal yet, no cure but still very much smokeable, not harsh at all. Though very tasty for stage its in. Update follows.

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Tied all th bigger buds down with another supercrop, to protect them from the lowering lights, to give the more larfy underlayer a chance to ripen.

Biggest fails / stuff I'm doing next grow to optimize results growing photoperiods (notes for myself next grow):

- Get a sort that matches my tastes, expectations and setup, great genetics, good performers under my amount of light.
- Amend the soil at start with: vulcastrat / dolomite / epsom salt and a little guano.
- Presoak soil, grow companions first, if any.
- Arrange for the cooler air to flow past my lights first. Cooling them and preheating air before hitting plants, now it was summer, in Winter it will be different.
- If monstercropping again, doing it proper going to 12 instead of 16 hours and fully reveg them
- Amend two weeks earlier before flower.
- Letting the plants grow bigger: I have 2 mtrs (6ft)of hight, Im using a third now. Also another round of fim before flower.
- Ventilation on canopy, lights and under canopy for fatter branches, better airflow and more lifespan and Umol (at 25 C optimal performance) in lights

Later additions:

- Saving up for 100 to 150 watts in deep red, infra red, UVA strips a/ for simulation sunrise and sunset b/ to have better coverage / c to have the watts just near the 500 watts for this room.
 

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Harvesttime

They had 48 hrs of darkness, and the time has come to say goodbye to my friends.

00001.jpgI thanked them again, spend some time with them and under the sound of Amazonian shamans harvest and healing songs (will post link), asked for their gifts and apologized for taking their lives.

I do this while in contact with the plants, touching, smelling them, observing every detail, no thoughts, just in the present moment.

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I feel emotional as I do this and remember how they were a companion, a source of distraction in a time of worry, sadness and loss.
How they already comforted me and kept me company in a time of painfull insights about honesty, commitment and staying true to myself.

00003.jpgI thank them again for their wisdom and gifts, viva Santa Maria, viva Planta Maestra, may the mother of all beings give us healing and protection.
And I proceed with the harvest as I visualize my intentions with every cut.

Branch by budladen branch is tenderly untangled from the scrognet, taken with a clean cut and immediately hung upside down in the growtent, which will now double as a curing and drying room.

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A couple more weeks and we will have the final cured and dried weight.
More photos and movies will follow, this is where we are so far!!

Thank you for checking in on our journey, all the love, support and compliments, they were a true motivation, a very needed distraction and guidance for me and for Sunshine.


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***UPDATE***

The final weigh-in is ready. I hadn't seen them in a week, because of my vacation. The humidifier I set up, had failed. So the grow had dried in 7 days, what I wanted to be 14 at least. Thankfully, its sativa ancestry shines through, the smoke isn't harsh, the buds a sticky and smelly, no hay smell at all.

20210806_155543.jpgWe ended up at 246 grams, excluding a shitload of larf and popcornbud, totalling at 310 grams all in, a first at a gram per watt for me, but I stated we would only weigh the quality bud. Overall Im very happy!!

20210807_072552.jpgSummary:

Cost of setup: 850 euro
Cost of nutrients and soil: 125 euro
Cost of seeds: None they were cloned
Cost of power: 150 euros in powerbill

Total cost: 1125,-- for setup and this run.

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I smoke for medical reasons and its used for ritual and healing purposes, never to be sold, as it loses its magical properties.

Should I have to buy Gelato of this quality at the dispensary that I frequent, it would cost me at least € 15,-- per gram.

246 x 15 = 3690 euros. also 49 carrides of 25 miles there and back, 250 euros in gas saved.

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Overal conclusion:

I think we can call this a succes. Made back my investment, my cost per grow and we saved the environment.

Thanks for all the love, tips and support! Couldnt have done this on my first indoor LED grow, without you!!
Wish you were here to smoke a fat one, some good conversation about our hobby and now... Im hungry.... See you on the next one!! Hugs Bud!!!

PS. Should you be interested in Shamanism or Teacherplants by anything I mentioned. Pls watch following documentaries or read these books:

- The Last Shaman on Netflix
- Fantastic Funghi on Netflix
- Food of the Gods, by Terrence McKenna
- The Herbal Jedi / Yarrow Willard on Youtube
- The Tao of Physics
- DMT: The Spirit Molecule on Youtube
- The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley
- Plants of the Gods by Richard Evans Schultes and Albert Hoffman
- What the bleep do we know - Down the rabbithole (although vague and some theories mentioned here, could not be replicated, like the water by Emoto)
- The Secret on Netflix- if you like enlightenment in bitesize, tellsell format

20210807_102150.jpgThe link to Santo Daime hinarios for the Santa Maria cura, healing ceremony:

If you want to learn more about permaculture / homesteading, see the following links:

- Pete Kanaris, Green Dreams TV, visits many permaculture farms in tropical area's, he is great!! https://www.youtube.com/user/GreenDreamsFL
- Supersoil recipe by Learn Organic gardening, take your ADD meds first, dont watch if prone to epilepsy... they like to talk...
- Mr Canuck, indoor organic cannabis growing master on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtU2-cpxx18iQ4BvracrxDQ
- People creating food forests all over the world: https://www.youtube.com/user/happenfilms


Happy travels and enjoy! May your harvests be bountifull, may you have the wind in your back, the sun on your face and a big spliff in your mouth.
Catch you on the next one, thank you!

Comments and feedback welcome!!!

XXX Bud
 
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My review of strain:

Strain: Gelato #33 Fast by Advanced Seeds

Good for beginners: XXXXX yes, she is a dream to grow, just don't expect huge buds.

High yielder: XXX What I've seen it's a medium yielder, smaller buds, my results per plant are average, but high for this amount of light (100 watts per plant)

Resilliance: XXXXX extremely resiliant against lightproblems, fungus gnats, high PH in soil, low water conditions, training, supercropping, revegging and monstercropping, this without any hermie, my respect...

Light lover: she does seem to perform best under higher watts, I would love to try her with 500 watts and sunset / sunrise setting, she can do more than this Im sure. I should have let her reveg further and more ventilation for thicker branches.

Mold / disease resistent: XXXXX extremely resistent

Nutrients: XXXX Needs loads of sulphur or my medium is short on available sulphur, next grow will tell, otherwise normal uptake, can resist up to 2000 PPM in organic nutrients (with the tea added)

Vigor: XXXXX even when stressed, never stunted, average stretch during flower

Ease of growing: XXXXX Easy to train, responds well to fimming. Clones well, clones resilliant too.

Trichomes: XXXXX Large trichome packs with longer than average size, leaves almost not visible by trichome cover (not known if his is average for G33 or because of tea).

Attention sucker: XXXXX she is a delight, very easy plant, loves attention but can do days to weeks without care, my training and defoliating regime made it more hands-on but that was my choice.

Smell during veg: XXXXX Green grass, hay, fresh piney, stronger than average even in veg.

Smell during flowering: XXXXX tones of musk, danky gorilla's ass, citrus, older mens after shaves, spices, gingerbread, cookiedough, vanilla

Smell during smoking: XXXXX earthy, marzapan / almonds, piney, spices, deep haze.

Taste: XXXXX Its hazey, piney, spicy and earthy. She is very nice to smoke. Hazey and has sweet tones and some of the thin mints is also detectable. Smoking it as we speak.

Needs only a seven day cure / dry, in my case at average 22 degrees, 40 RH. No conditions for a cure, but it doesn't matter, her Sativa heritage makes her fantastic to smoke, straight after 7 days... A smooth smoke, I hope after the remaining jar cure, the terpenes will come out even more. But the smell coming out of the tent and after cleaning, from the jars... I never had this amazing and enourmously pungent smell coming from anything I've ever grown, especially in this stage.

Texture: the buds are sticky and greasy through and through, not extremely dense and compact but enough to need a grinder and have a tiny bit fill a grinder full of fuffy bud, with a great crumble, that just keeps crumbling and making your fingers stickier in that greasy way.

Effect: XXXXX Its incredibly strong, its a full body high, but with remarkabe mind clarity. This is the strongest weed I've ever grown myself. The healers I share it with are all amazed with her powers. She is potent, she has amazing creative powers and gives visions to ones only using it for that purpose. She is also comforting and healing, for the ones needing sleep, rest of other comfort.

Im afraid I wont have enough of this one, so we go onto the next grow and hope to see you there!

Hug Bud

PS I like feedback and questions on my diary so pls dont hold back!
 
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Great read. I will be flipping my G33 in 3 weeks (10 week veg) and also looking at 2 week vacation in Mach. I hope I can cure before I leave. Running 2 Kind XL600 with 4 plants in a 6X6. I gotta tell you while I am a new indoor grower the growth on 2 of the 4 ladies is unbelievably fast
 

BioBuds

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Great read. I will be flipping my G33 in 3 weeks (10 week veg) and also looking at 2 week vacation in Mach. I hope I can cure before I leave. Running 2 Kind XL600 with 4 plants in a 6X6. I gotta tell you while I am a new indoor grower the growth on 2 of the 4 ladies is unbelievably fast
Thank you for checking out my grow journal and the compliment! You will love these plants, they are a joy to grow! Although buds remained smaller with me. I can advise you to not defoliate that heavily and use a fan on the grow to get sturdier branches than I did to get bigger buds and less internodal spacing.

Good luck and show us a pic when you can!!
 

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I will try and get some pics up shortly. I took many throughout my grow but I'm using Kind grow lights and the pictures are not white but a purple shade. They are growing like mad now and I have to re route my stems and leaves daily. I've used only 1 tsp of Buddha Grow per gallon since going into veg. some 6 weeks ago. I am growing in a 40/60 Fire Fox Happy Frog / Ocean on the top 2/3 of my 10 gallon pots and Strawberry Field and perlite on the bottom 1/3. I use 1 tps of Real Grow Recharge per 1 gallon every 3rd watering and I water 1.5 gallons per plant every 3 days. My biggest girl has a base the size of a quarter and all limbs are about pencil size. I've topped each plant twice and LST them since they were around 2 weeks old. I am hoping to get close to 50 bud sites off the 3 plants They are approx 14" tall. I have my 2 Kind XL 600 lights 32" above the canopy. I am planning on flipping lights at 10 weeks instead of 12 due to vacations restraints.
 

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Okay here is one pic taken this evening after a good watering. I edited the color a bit to get rid of some purple. Above left is a cloned Afghan Cush and the two lowest are cloned White Widows. 1 month old. The upper two on the right and the left row center are the Gelato 33. I had to separate them as best I could to allow space. A second SCROG net is coming soon
 

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That is looking like a good start! I dont know if you'll have the space to do ten weeks, I only did 8 weeks of veg! Looking good! Keep us posted!
 

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Here is my tent after 8 days in flower. Today i gave my girls a tablespoon of Buddha Grow and Buddha Bloom. so far so good. I hope my feeding of Real Grow Recharge will feed my plants with all the secondary nutes they need through harvesting. Not too sure if I will need any CalMag. Again I have enhanced the pic due to the purplish lighting. I think I will be using a second scrog. My canopy isn't what I was hoping for at least this far into stretch
 

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I really wish I could get better pics. Its not a true representation of how nice the color and overall health of the plants are. This is my second grow and first indoor. I have been super sparingly on all additives. Unfortunately the Gelatos are growing faster then the others AND amazingly enough the slowest Gelato is now growing faster then its sisters
 

BioBuds

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They are growing very nicely arent they? hard to see with these colors, you should see massive growth though!
Nice!!!
 

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33 days after light change to 12-12. My tallest Gelato 33 is is starting to turn a little yellow. PH has been a constant 6.3-6.6ish. first 2 feedings of Calmag on all plants just started 10 days ago. All plants have been feed the same but tallest plant has been a real grower and perhaps needed more nutes from the start??

I really don't know as I'm a new grower. Just feed Buddha Bloom yesterday. (3rd feeding). I tried to keep it simple and listen to plants without overdoing anything. Could it be this plant is more mature and starting to use its own nutes? No dead leaves anywhere on plant and entire plant is yellowing evenly. It would seem all other Gelatos are still a darker green. Wondering if I should give plant phosphorus?
Any help is appreciated
 

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