Thinking of starting over

At this point i am now 18 days into the grow. These are definitely stunted and having mold issues from overwatering early on, this in turn led me to folair feed them since i couldn't dampen the soil. Which led to white powdery mildew YAY! So one mistake, led to another, led to another, and i'm about to toss these, scrub everything with bleach water, buy new coco and start fresh. Idk what to do or if i'm overreacting but it feels BAD MAN!

3 gallon fabric pots
2 white widow autos
1 super skunk auto
1 random bag seed which is actually doing better than the autos... started it a week earlier so suspect it's roots had more time to develop before i saturated them like a proper asshat!
2x4 tent
2x Viparspectra 300w leds
Mother earth coco
Canna A and B
Calmag

i have a good intake fan but i definitely need a better fan. The one i have doesn't move enough air or oscillate. I suspect that had a lot to do with it but the folair feed likely did it in.

I treated them last night (edit, by them i mean the leaves) with 25% peroxide to 75% water, and again this morning. Not sure if i should keep using that once or twice a day. I don't have means to get a fungicide until tomorrow. This spread pretty fast, it's nigh impossible to see with this camera, but trust me, its there. White specks like powder that don't wash away. After spraying is when i noticed the darker discolored areas. Hoping that's just a reaction to being sprayed with the solution but... well i know better it's likely mold or rot setting in.

I don't have more coco to transplant. Do i ride it out or scrap it?

Sorry pics aren't very good.

Silver lining... i won't try to plant them directly into a 3 gallon pot again. That method WOULD have worked, if i didn't overwater. I'm likely going to start off in jiffy cups or something similar in size. I hear transplanting with coco is tough, but i have a tendency to overwater, even in coco evidently since these were too young.

They are a weed ...they will grow thru most incidents
It looks like they may be paused but will kick in far sooner than starting over
Ride her out

Herb & Suds said:

They are a weed ...they will grow thru most incidents
It looks like they may be paused but will kick in far sooner than starting over
Ride her out

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Should i repot them into solo cups or a 1 gallon pot or would that just make matters worse? That moisture man... i swear the roots are going straight down and not fluffing out at all to suck up that water. It's not WET, but it's been moist for DAYS. I mean i guess that's normal for coco but at this stage it seems i killed more roots than i grew

NEVER making that mistake again. I'd rather they dry out a little than get locked into some anaerobic nightmare.

I would just let them grow out of it , killing them with kindness is still killing them ...they will recover , back down on the watering a bit

Herb & Suds said:

I would just let them grow out of it , killing them with kindness is still killing them ...they will recover , back down on the watering a bit

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That's the problem i haven't watered these in days lol. In 18 days i think i watered them 3 times tops. Last watering was 2 days ago, i used less than half of a cup on each pot, to wet the area directly around them only. Before that it had been FIVE days without a drop of water, just folair feeding since they began to show deficiency.

Hi Wolfmoon,
Couple of things about coco. Even when wet...there's a certain amount of air in it. Only the real dense coco peat will actually get waterlogged. So your worries about root death and anaerobic growth are blown out of proportion. And watering brings in more O2 to the rootzone.

Your comment about difficulty of up-potting coco. If you wait till roots are well established and do the transplant when fairly dry/damp...for me it's easy. No different then soil.
JD

JohnDee said:

Hi Wolfmoon,
Couple of things about coco. Even when wet...there's a certain amount of air in it. Only the real dense coco peat will actually get waterlogged. So your worries about root death and anaerobic growth are blown out of proportion. And watering brings in more O2 to the rootzone.

Your comment about difficulty of up-potting coco. If you wait till roots are well established and do the transplant when fairly dry/damp...for me it's easy. No different then soil.
JD

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Hey John, here we are again huh? lol. Yeah they never quite seemed to snap out of that douse man. I can't see watering them now though, they would likely perk up from the fresh oxygen going in, but then they'll end up bowing down on me again and getting stiff. They're still pretty stiff actually which tells me they're holding too much water as is. Iv'e got a nice fan on the way in a couple of days that should help dry things out.

But this powdery mildew crap is still visible on the leaves, not sure if i should treat it with the peroxide/water solution or just wait for a proper fungicide in 2 days. But watering them now would likely just keep the problems going.

Just to be clear, the coco is dry 2 inches down, but the pots are still kind of hefty and you can feel cool/damp coco past 2 inches, even towards the sides of the pots...

Wolfmoon,
Well...you're there with the plants. And I don't grow autos so no help there. I'm trying out my first batch of re-used coco...going OK so far.

Hey on the powdery mildew thing...the damn spores are everywhere. It starts growing when conditions are correct. High humidity and lack of ventilation. I had a plant get PM because I removed the fan. It was a pollination thing and I didn't want the fan to blow pollen everywhere. I just snipped the effected leaves.

Wish I had more to offer...the fan will help with the pot drying too .
Good luck,
JD

JohnDee said:

Wolfmoon,
Well...you're there with the plants. And I don't grow autos so no help there. I'm trying out my first batch of re-used coco...going OK so far.

Hey on the powdery mildew thing...the damn spores are everywhere. It starts growing when conditions are correct. High humidity and lack of ventilation. I had a plant get PM because I removed the fan. It was a pollination thing and I didn't want the fan to blow pollen everywhere. I just snipped the effected leaves.

Wish I had more to offer...the fan will help with the pot drying too .
Good luck,
JD

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Nice, i planned on doing that as well, but yeah i'll likely toss this coco and go with canna next time even if this finishes okay. I know for sure i'm not going to get a great yield. But as long as they survive through this, and produce a decent bit for my first real grow... i'll chalk it up as a win and a lesson learned.

What got me in trouble i firmly believe, was the folair feed before lights out and not a strong enough fan. Some might say no, it came from the damp coco, but nay... it was treated with peroxide for those damn gnats lol. They never came back btw, only had 2 of them show up. What a noobie move lol. Dousing my plants because of 2 stupid gnats! OUCH!

Oh well, i'll be keeping this updated in case anyone is interested in either learning or laughing at my blunder.

Well... pretty sure i burned 2 of them with the peroxide by being an assclown and putting them under the light. I suspect the UV mixed with the 3% solution... even dilute, was NOT a good combination lol. As far as i can tell, the powdery mildew is still hanging in there, but hasn't spread. I can still see white specks on the lower leaves. Nothing on the new growth yet. If that happens i'll likely give them a dose of Fungicide. But right now... idk if the ones that got burned can handle it.

Here is the damage




Silver lining however... the pots have dried out! My girls are now drinking every other day or so, about a quarter cup without issue! I just hope the stress from my absolute newbness hasn't caused too much damage to my overall yield.