This is war

Justin-case

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The Plum LineOpinion
Republicans are now vowing Total War. And the consequences could be immense.


By Paul Waldman November 3
such a fervor to destroy Hillary Clinton that they may be aggressively leaking damaging innuendo to the press against her in the waning days of the campaign. They succeeded in their apparent goal of making FBI director James Comey a tool of their campaign — and the basis for their investigation is an anti-Clinton book written under the auspices of an organization of which the CEO of the Trump campaign is co-founder and chairman. Pro-Trump FBI agents now seem to be coordinating with Trump surrogates to do maximal possible damage to Clinton.
  • Republicans continue to cheer the fact that the electronic systems of American political groups were illegally hacked, and then private communications were selectively released in order to do damage to one side in this election. The Republican nominee has explicitly asked a hostile foreign power to hack into his opponent’s electronic systems.
  • High-ranking Republican officeholders are now suggesting that they may impeach Clinton as soon as she takes office. These are not just backbench nutbars of the Louie Gohmert variety, but people with genuine power, including Ron Johnson, the senator from Wisconsin, Michael McCaul, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, and veteran legislators like James Sensenbrenner and Peter King. The message is being echoed by top Trump surrogates like Rudy Giuliani.
  • There is a growing movement among Republicans in the Senate to simply refuse to approve any nominee appointed by a Democratic president to the Supreme Court, leaving open any and all vacancies until a Republican can be elected to fill them.
  • State and local Republican officials are engaged in widespread and systematic efforts to suppress the votes of African-Americans and other groups likely to vote disproportionately Democratic; in many cases officials have been ordered by courts to stop their suppression efforts and they have simply ignored the court orders.
  • Republican elected officials increasingly feel emboldened to openly suggest violence against Clinton should she be elected.
[The only way Trump can win]

It is important to understand that is not normal. This is not just bare-knuckle politics. Something extraordinary is happening.















The Post’s Rosalind Helderman breaks down the latest developments of the controversies involving the FBI less than a week from Election Day. (Bastien Inzaurralde/The Washington Post)
Let’s take the FBI case as just one example. You have a situation where a group of FBI agents is in direct conflict with prosecutors who believe the agents have a weak case in their attempt to find evidence of corruption that can be used against Clinton. The agents, in an atrocious violation of FBI policy against injecting the Bureau into an election, begin leaking dark innuendo to reporters. That convinces the FBI director that he has no choice but to go public with the fact that the Bureau is looking at some emails that might or might not have something to do with Clinton, though no one has actually read them. That news lands like a bombshell, despite its complete lack of substance.

And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.

While the “imagine if the other side was doing this” argument can sometimes sound trite, in this case it’s more than apt. Imagine if a group of FBI agents were leaking damaging information on Donald Trump in violation of longstanding departmental policy, and it turned out that they were basing their innuendo on a book published by the Center for American Progress, which Clinton campaign chair John Podesta founded and used to run. Republicans would be crying bloody murder, and I’m pretty sure the entire news media would be backing them up every step of the wa

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump believes there's a global conspiracy to stop him from becoming president – but it's not the first time he's pushed unfounded theories. (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)
[Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool]

It’s not that this kind of thing is completely unprecedented. When Bill Clinton was impeached, people talked about “the criminalization of politics” — the idea that Republicans were trying to use the levers of the justice system as a means to prevail in what should be just ordinary political competition. George W. Bush’s administration fired a group of U.S. Attorneys because they were unwilling to pursue bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats or were too willing to investigate genuine corruption among Republican officials. There are cases like the absurd prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who has been in jail for years because he reappointed to a state health care board a man who had donated money to a lottery initiative Siegelman favored. And there was this guy named J. Edgar Hoover.

But as he has in so many ways, Donald Trump takes every ugly impulse Republicans have and turns it up to 11, and just about the entire party follows him down. So now they are making it very clear that from literally the day Hillary Clinton is inaugurated, they will wage total war on her. There will be no rule or norm or standard of decency they won’t flout if it gets them a step closer to destroying her, no matter what the collateral damage.

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It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.






 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
The Plum LineOpinion
Republicans are now vowing Total War. And the consequences could be immense.


By Paul Waldman November 3
such a fervor to destroy Hillary Clinton that they may be aggressively leaking damaging innuendo to the press against her in the waning days of the campaign. They succeeded in their apparent goal of making FBI director James Comey a tool of their campaign — and the basis for their investigation is an anti-Clinton book written under the auspices of an organization of which the CEO of the Trump campaign is co-founder and chairman. Pro-Trump FBI agents now seem to be coordinating with Trump surrogates to do maximal possible damage to Clinton.
  • Republicans continue to cheer the fact that the electronic systems of American political groups were illegally hacked, and then private communications were selectively released in order to do damage to one side in this election. The Republican nominee has explicitly asked a hostile foreign power to hack into his opponent’s electronic systems.
  • High-ranking Republican officeholders are now suggesting that they may impeach Clinton as soon as she takes office. These are not just backbench nutbars of the Louie Gohmert variety, but people with genuine power, including Ron Johnson, the senator from Wisconsin, Michael McCaul, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, and veteran legislators like James Sensenbrenner and Peter King. The message is being echoed by top Trump surrogates like Rudy Giuliani.
  • There is a growing movement among Republicans in the Senate to simply refuse to approve any nominee appointed by a Democratic president to the Supreme Court, leaving open any and all vacancies until a Republican can be elected to fill them.
  • State and local Republican officials are engaged in widespread and systematic efforts to suppress the votes of African-Americans and other groups likely to vote disproportionately Democratic; in many cases officials have been ordered by courts to stop their suppression efforts and they have simply ignored the court orders.
  • Republican elected officials increasingly feel emboldened to openly suggest violence against Clinton should she be elected.
[The only way Trump can win]

It is important to understand that is not normal. This is not just bare-knuckle politics. Something extraordinary is happening.















The Post’s Rosalind Helderman breaks down the latest developments of the controversies involving the FBI less than a week from Election Day. (Bastien Inzaurralde/The Washington Post)
Let’s take the FBI case as just one example. You have a situation where a group of FBI agents is in direct conflict with prosecutors who believe the agents have a weak case in their attempt to find evidence of corruption that can be used against Clinton. The agents, in an atrocious violation of FBI policy against injecting the Bureau into an election, begin leaking dark innuendo to reporters. That convinces the FBI director that he has no choice but to go public with the fact that the Bureau is looking at some emails that might or might not have something to do with Clinton, though no one has actually read them. That news lands like a bombshell, despite its complete lack of substance.

And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.

While the “imagine if the other side was doing this” argument can sometimes sound trite, in this case it’s more than apt. Imagine if a group of FBI agents were leaking damaging information on Donald Trump in violation of longstanding departmental policy, and it turned out that they were basing their innuendo on a book published by the Center for American Progress, which Clinton campaign chair John Podesta founded and used to run. Republicans would be crying bloody murder, and I’m pretty sure the entire news media would be backing them up every step of the wa

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump believes there's a global conspiracy to stop him from becoming president – but it's not the first time he's pushed unfounded theories. (Peter Stevenson/The Washington Post)
[Former CIA chief: Trump is Russia’s useful fool]

It’s not that this kind of thing is completely unprecedented. When Bill Clinton was impeached, people talked about “the criminalization of politics” — the idea that Republicans were trying to use the levers of the justice system as a means to prevail in what should be just ordinary political competition. George W. Bush’s administration fired a group of U.S. Attorneys because they were unwilling to pursue bogus voter fraud cases against Democrats or were too willing to investigate genuine corruption among Republican officials. There are cases like the absurd prosecution of former Alabama governor Don Siegelman, who has been in jail for years because he reappointed to a state health care board a man who had donated money to a lottery initiative Siegelman favored. And there was this guy named J. Edgar Hoover.

But as he has in so many ways, Donald Trump takes every ugly impulse Republicans have and turns it up to 11, and just about the entire party follows him down. So now they are making it very clear that from literally the day Hillary Clinton is inaugurated, they will wage total war on her. There will be no rule or norm or standard of decency they won’t flout if it gets them a step closer to destroying her, no matter what the collateral damage.

Opinions newsletter

Thought-provoking opinions and commentary, in your inbox daily.

It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.
The desperation of a desperate surrogate-less candidate..everybody has made up their minds already and nothing new will change it at this point and time.

Mr. Trump needs to realize that it's his mediocrity and abrassiveness, is why he lost.

Voters like him less than Clinton, if that's even possible.
 

potroastV2

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It is important to understand that is not normal. This is not just bare-knuckle politics. Something extraordinary is happening.

You are correct, this is not normal. Bill Maher said it very well on Real Time last night. The Republicans are employing reprehensible tactics that I hope will not help them to succeed, but will help to stomp them down the drain.

:mrgreen:
 

MynameisSolo

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The desperation of a desperate surrogate-less candidate..everybody has made up their minds already and nothing new will change it at this point and time.

Mr. Trump needs to realize that it's his mediocrity and abrassiveness, is why he lost.

Voters like him less than Clinton, if that's even possible.
Where did he lose ??? from what i am seeing its become a very close race.
Or are you from the future ,
Cause my instincts are telling me its going to be a tie 269 - 269 and Congress will decide who is going to be the next president .

So as to not make a mockery out of United states, Because every country in the world is laughing at you all .Right now .

This will allow enough time fo FBI to conclude evidence to Congress and Hillary to be arrested

If you think she is getting off the hook this time , Your going to be mad bro , lol because little do you know .
when congress decides well you be the judge Because i think Your gong to be Very Very mad

The 2014 elections gave theRepublicanscontrol of the Senate (and control of both houses ofCongress) for the first time since the 109thCongress. With 247 seats in the House of Representatives and 54 seats

Why do you think it was so hard or Obama to make change it was always struck down by congress :)
 

MynameisSolo

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I bet my post opened your eyes, Lets face it Voter turn out is embarrassing in USA both parties are embarrassing not only to them self's but as a whole United states...

The Clinton's have been plagued from day one with scandals , Trump is hated just because that is what people do. when there Scared of the unknown. You know he is a rapist right run with it but remember Bill did the same dam thing. But that is OK in your minds You know perfectly well Hillary Rubs shoulder with the worst dictators this world has ever seen

Yet your Country is suppose to get rid of them right ?? well again that is what they say you you but reality is they lied ..

WTF people .

Your willing to allow the same corruption Big Corporations to run your country. like it has. when will it change, honestly?

You really do not care about where, your country is headed.. Its just fucking pretend , You gave up long ago and now just a sock puppet realizing it is what it is. and what could i do

Your right its going to be a war of words between Hillary and Trump but rest assured there is going to be more Email leaks before then.

But your going to be mad when its a tie and goes to Congress :)

Just think Buck will be able to stay on here little longer not much but a little




.
 
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xmatox

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Where did he lose ??? from what i am seeing its become a very close race.
Or are you from the future ,
Cause my instincts are telling me its going to be a tie 269 - 269 and Congress will decide who is going to be the next president .

So as to not make a mockery out of United states, Because every country in the world is laughing at you all .Right now .

This will allow enough time fo FBI to conclude evidence to Congress and Hillary to be arrested

If you think she is getting off the hook this time , Your going to be mad bro , lol because little do you know .
when congress decides well you be the judge Because i think Your gong to be Very Very mad

The 2014 elections gave theRepublicanscontrol of the Senate (and control of both houses ofCongress) for the first time since the 109thCongress. With 247 seats in the House of Representatives and 54 seats

Why do you think it was so hard or Obama to make change it was always struck down by congress :)
Every other country in the world can suck my American Dick. Majority of countries have far worse issues than we do.
 

Big_Lou

Well-Known Member
I bet my post opened your eyes, Lets face it Voter turn out is embarrassing in USA both parties are embarrassing not only to them self's but as a whole United states...

The Clinton's have been plagued from day one with scandals , Trump is hated just because that is what people do. when there Scared of the unknown. You know he is a rapist right run with it but remember Bill did the same dam thing. But that is OK in your minds You know perfectly well Hillary Rubs shoulder with the worst dictators this world has ever seen

Yet your Country is suppose to get rid of them right ?? well again that is what they say you you but reality is they lied ..

WTF people .

Your willing to allow the same corruption Big Corporations to run your country. like it has. when will it change, honestly?

You really do not care about where, your country is headed.. Its just fucking pretend , You gave up long ago and now just a sock puppet realizing it is what it is. and what could i do

Your right its going to be a war of words between Hillary and Trump but rest assured there is going to be more Email leaks before then.

But your going to be mad when its a tie and goes to Congress :)

Just think Buck will be able to stay on here little longer not much but a little




.
Mark my words its gong to be tie 269 - 269

Something is seriously happening Obama has changed his tune


So retard i am Solo ):
 
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