Are cars like the Tesla Model S the future?

Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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The range is 300 miles. 0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds. 416 hp(310 kW). Over 90 MPG equivalent. The only problem is the $70,000 price tag after subsidy. The rich save the earth. While Obama wastes billions on alternative energy that goes bankrupt.
 
justugh

justugh

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odds anything that runs on fuel as in gas or ethonl will not be a option since the power required to use it is a limited supply .......hence the 3.86 a gallon at the pump and with the decrease of the babyboomers and the increase of the ones from derset strom/sheild ...........the amount of drivers will be increasing

so all those designs are crap and will be replaced with something that is better

my vote is a hydrogen system combined with magnetics

hydrogen is in great supply and even more so with ocean lvls raising
and magnetics like a mag train or those old stories about lode stones (it would hover over the land or sea using repulsive force against the earth own magnetic feild once in motion the 2 feilds would cause a engery to build up allowing u to lower the need for hydrogen faster u go less hydrogen needed)
 
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BigNBushy

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Its only twice the cost of an average new car. Im surprised its that cheap.

How do you get the subsidies?
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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You have to rember the quotes about power and range are whan the baterys are brand new , and likely under IDEAL conditions , Wait untill the car gets 5 years old and you only get 100 miles per charge , or worse when you find out changing the batterys costs more than buying a new car .

Also most of these 'Hybrids' use a gas engine + battery power to achive that milage and range

Then theirs this whole issue

'Electric motors and batteries have improved substantially over the past one hundred years, but today's much hyped electric cars have a range that is - at best - comparable to that of their predecessors at the beginning of the 20th century. Weight, comfort, speed and performance have eaten up any real progress. We don't need better batteries, we need better cars.



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The 2010 Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi i-MiEV have exactly the same range as the 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria: 100 miles (160 kilometres) on a single charge'

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-better-batteries-same-range.html

Untill they put a coal fired powerplant in the trunk I will stick to diesel


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GOD HERE

GOD HERE

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Canna Sylvan said:
The range is 300 miles. 0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds. 416 hp(310 kW). Over 90 MPG equivalent. The only problem is the $70,000 price tag after subsidy. The rich save the earth. While Obama wastes billions on alternative energy that goes bankrupt.
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Not even trying to hide your hard on for the upper class are you? Lets all kneel at their feet and worship them for being the saviors of us all.
 
smokegreenshlt

smokegreenshlt

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E85 & biodiesel....problems solved. Still have tuff internal combustion and the source of energy is domestic and preserves farm land...
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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smokegreenshlt said:
E85 & biodiesel....problems solved. Still have tuff internal combustion and the source of energy is domestic and preserves farm land...
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Gas + Diesel + Coal+FreeMarket = problem solved until the market comes up with something


E85 - Alchool takes more energy to produce than it puts out
 
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LIBERTYCHICKEN

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Oh I forgot

FRACK

Lets Frack the sh*t out of everywear

and oilsands

They say we have more energy hear in the US now then the middle east ever did , Lets use it
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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GOD HERE said:
What is it with you people and markets? It's like a fucking religion. The market can't even function without the state, it has to be propped up and regulated so it doesn't consolidate and consume itself.
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do you really think LIBERTYCHICKEN is even smart enough to be able to read and understand what you are saying?

it seems like he reads and writes at approximately the level of a retarded second grader.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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The battery only costs $10,000. Guaranteed never to drop 20% capacity for 8 years and they give a free replacement.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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GOD HERE said:
Not even trying to hide your hard on for the upper class are you? Lets all kneel at their feet and worship them for being the saviors of us all.
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I could buy one now if I wanted, but that would be a stupid waste of money. I spend my money on AV equipment. Maybe one day when the price goes down.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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BigNBushy said:
Its only twice the cost of an average new car. Im surprised its that cheap.

How do you get the subsidies?
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That's for the fully loaded version. The puny version is $50,000 with a software limited 40 kw battery. You fill out two forms you get from the dealer when you buy new.
 
GOD HERE

GOD HERE

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UncleBuck said:
do you really think LIBERTYCHICKEN is even smart enough to be able to read and understand what you are saying?

it seems like he reads and writes at approximately the level of a retarded second grader.
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That's a fair point. It's hard to learn when your brain is recovering from a 3 day meth binge.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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The rich do save the earth in the context of your post canna I agree fully.....makes me wonder how much the ev 1 would cost now having had plenty of time for all the celebs and other rich to have fully absorbed initial r and d costs for the rest of us; the masses.

I wonder what kind of lithium ion......always thought the LiFePO4 would end up with the best range vs power output?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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LIBERTYCHICKEN said:
You have to rember the quotes about power and range are whan the baterys are brand new , and likely under IDEAL conditions , Wait untill the car gets 5 years old and you only get 100 miles per charge , or worse when you find out changing the batterys costs more than buying a new car .

Also most of these 'Hybrids' use a gas engine + battery power to achive that milage and range

Then theirs this whole issue

'Electric motors and batteries have improved substantially over the past one hundred years, but today's much hyped electric cars have a range that is - at best - comparable to that of their predecessors at the beginning of the 20th century. Weight, comfort, speed and performance have eaten up any real progress. We don't need better batteries, we need better cars.



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The 2010 Nissan Leaf and Mitsubishi i-MiEV have exactly the same range as the 1908 Fritchle Model A Victoria: 100 miles (160 kilometres) on a single charge'

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-better-batteries-same-range.html

Untill they put a coal fired powerplant in the trunk I will stick to diesel


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Afaik, the concept is that batteries arnt owned by you, they're rented.

So you can just go back and say "battery fucked" and they replace it for you.
 
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