Keeping It Real: An Organic Journey

DonPetro

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Hey folks, DonPetro here. In this thread i will be posting all things Organic such as pictures, general information, tips, thoughts and whatever else relevant to Organics. I encourage others to do the same here as knowledge is power and we should share that power. At the moment we have several heirloom genetics passed down from an old '80s cash cropper. The details on the heritage of these strains are murky but talk of old Afghani's, Haze and original Big Bud surfaced. Being that the collection is quite exstensive, a few winners are sure to emerge. Stay tuned...

A Living Organics Summary

*the following is text adapted from the book Organic Gardener's Composting by Steve Solomon*

There is a great deal of confusion in the gardening world about compost, organic matter, humus, fertilizer and their roles in soil fertility, plant health, animal health, human health and gardening success. The roots of plants, soil animals, and most soil microorganisms need to breathe oxygen. Like other oxygen burners, they expel carbon dioxide. For all of them to grow well and be healthy, the earth must remain open, allowing air to enter and leave freely. Otherwise, carbon dioxide builds up to toxic levels. Imagine yourself being suffocated by a plastic bag tied around your neck. It would be about the same thing to a root trying to live in compacted soil. Without a living soil, plants can not be totally healthy or grow quite as well as they might. Organic matter decomposing in soil opens and loosens soil and makes the earth far more welcoming to plant growth. Its benefits are both direct and indirect. Decomposing organic matter mechanically acts like springy sponges that reduce compaction. However, rotting is rapid and soon this material and its effect is virtually gone. You can easily create this type of temporary result by tilling a thick dusting of peat moss into some poor soil.*A more significant and longer-lasting soil improvement is created by microorganisms and earthworms, whose activities makes particles of sand, silt, and clay cling strongly together and form large, irregularly-shaped grains called "aggregates" or "crumbs" that resist breaking apart. Crumbs develop as a result of two similar, interrelated processes. Earthworms and other soil animals make stable humus crumbs as soil, clay and decomposing organic matter pass through their digestive systems. The casts or scats that emerge*are crumbs.*Free-living soil microorganisms also form crumbs. As they eat organic matter they secrete slimes and gums that firmly cement fine soil particles together into long lasting aggregates. When active, some species of earthworms daily eat a quantity of soil equal to their own body weight. After passing through the worm's gut, this soil has been chemically altered. Minerals, especially phosphorus which tends to be locked up as insoluble calcium phosphate and consequently unavailable to plants, become soluble in the worm's gut, and thus available to nourish growing plants. And nitrogen, unavailably held in organic matter, is altered to soluble nitrate nitrogen. In fact, compared to the surrounding soil, worm casts are five times as rich in nitrate nitrogen; twice as rich in soluble calcium; contain two and one-half times as much available magnesium; are seven times as rich in available phosphorus, and offer plants eleven times as much potassium. Earthworms are equally capable of making trace minerals available. *Mycorrhizal association is another beneficial relationship that should exist between soil organisms and many higher plants. This symbiotic relationship involves fungi and plant roots. Fungi can be pathogenic, consuming living plants. But most of them are harmless and eat only dead, decaying organic matter. When roots are cramped, top growth slows or ceases, health and disease resistance drops, and plants may become stressed despite applications of nutrients or watering. The roots of plants have no way to aggressively breakdown rock particles or organic matter, nor to sort out one nutrient from another. They uptake everything that is in solution, no more, no less while replacing water evaporated from their leaves. However, soil fungi are able to aggressively attack organic matter and even mineral rock particles and extract the nutrition they want. Fungi live in soil as long, complexly interconnected hair-like threads usually only one cell thick. The threads are called "hyphae." Food circulates throughout the hyphae much like blood in a human body. Certain types of fungi are able to form a symbiosis with specific plant species. They insert a hyphae into the gap between individual plant cells in a root hair or just behind the growing root tip. Then the hyphae "drinks" from the vascular system of the plant, robbing it of a bit of its life's blood. However, this is not harmful predation because as the root grows, a bark develops around the hyphae. The bark pinches off the hyphae and it rapidly decays inside the plant, making a contribution of nutrients that the plant couldn't otherwise obtain. Hyphae breakdown products may be in the form of complex organic molecules that function as phytamins for the plant. Like other beneficial microorganisms, micorrhizal fungi do not primarily eat plant vascular fluid, their food is decaying organic matter. Here's yet another reason to contend that soil productivity can be measured by humus content.

 

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vostok

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Welcome to RIU.org
Your onestopshop for all matters cannabis, take a look around but I should advise you that the fabulous "Like" button, is broken, instead buried below is the equivalent, reputation button that works almost the same., so if you see or read something you like, well! you can't 'like' until it's fixed, but you can click the Rep button to show your appreciation.
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DonPetro

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Welcome to RIU.org
Your onestopshop for all matters cannabis, take a look around but I should advise you that the fabulous "Like" button, is broken, instead buried below is the equivalent, reputation button that works almost the same., so if you see or read something you like, well! you can't 'like' until it's fixed, but you can click the Rep button to show your appreciation.
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Thanks man. I gotta say i find this forum to be the best i've been on. Here to stay.
 

cc2012

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Thanks man. I gotta say i find this forum to be the best i've been on. Here to stay.
Hiya DonPetro an Welcome to RIU.

So when you say ALL Things Organic does this include companies that sell "Organic" Products...such as BIOBIZZ or AN etc..

Peace

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DonPetro

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Hiya DonPetro an Welcome to RIU.

So when you say ALL Things Organic does this include companies that sell "Organic" Products...such as BIOBIZZ or AN etc..

Peace

:weed:
Of course! Everything is up for discussion. I gotta say though, i have little to no experience growing with bottled nutes. Most of what i've learned was from growers who used bottled synthetic nutes but i have always been of the all-natural mindset.
Always looking to expand my knowledge though. And thanks for the warm welcome.
 

cc2012

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Oh Cool, because even though I would like to progress to making my own Teas and such..for me at the moment its just "Bottled" Organics..I do research the companies that interested me..the first I have used/still using is BioBizz which I've been very happy with, but(kind of) I feel maybe this year in trying another "Organic" Company/Product...been looking into Advanced Nutrients, now not everything they do is Organic but they do have 8 Products that they state on the Site to be Organic...the First I will be trying are Ancient Earth and Nirvana...for me these are quite expensive(well compared to BB) and yes I know that I could probably make these as TEAS for a fraction of the price...just not an option yet.

Peace

EDIT: I'm about to start reading "The Rev" :weed:
 

DonPetro

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See for me i figure why spend money on bottles with fancy names when i can spend as much or less on natural products and create real bio-diversity by recycling my soil mix. Its really about letting the micro-life do the work to keep the plant happy and healthy.
 

cc2012

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Just a Quick Post, been looking around at Subcool's Mix and some TGA Info and Soma's Mix and grow beds...Don't know if this Info been updated or if the Recipes have changed any...I might give Soma's Mix a go? mainly because after a bit of reading it seems a lot of the stuff for Subcool's Mix is nigh on impossible to get in the UK...though I bet you can get on FleaBay? just depends from where and the PnP....

Anyway the Recipes ~

Whatstrain_01-13-2013 said:
Soma's Organic soil

50L worm castings
3 x 50L black peat
50L Organic potting soil
3 x 50L bags of Bio Bizz Light-mix
2KG Guano Kalong
2kg DCM organic fertilizer 7-6-12+4Mgo
1/3 of a 30L bag of perlite (10L)
2KGs Maerl (sea chalk for PH)

Subcool's Organic soil:

8 large bags of high quality organic potting soil with coco and Mycorrhizae
25-50 lbs. of organic worm castings
5 lbs. of Blood meal 12-0-0
5 lbs. Bat guano 0-5-0
5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0
¾ cup Epsom salt
1 cup Sweet lime (Dolomite)
½ cup Azomite ( Trace element)
2 Tbs. powdered Humic acid
*** If using an RO system add in 1/2 cup powdered Cal/mag
Actually found this in a Old RIU Thread :weed: in-fact finding some of these older Threads popping up in Google to be most useful.

Peace
 

DonPetro

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Interesting recipes. I still plan on getting feather meal, glacial rock dust, neem meal and humic acid ore. Possibly looking at bat guanos as well both high N and high P. Not sure if we really need the guano though. Its going to be pretty high powered already.
 

DonPetro

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Here is our recipe that worked well for us. Its a good starting point for anyone just getting into organics.

6gal bag black earth
2gal coco coir
2gal perlite
2gal fresh worm castings
Amendments:
2 cups dolomite lime
1/2 cup blood meal
1 cup bone meal
1 cup dry all-purpose
1 cup crushed eggshells
1 cup brown rice
5 cups steer manure



We fed with activated teas throughout veg and for the first few weeks of flower. This unknown strain flowered for 10 weeks after being vegged for roughly 5 weeks. It was topped for 4 mains at the second node and was LST'd to allow the lower growth to form an even canopy. We made the mistake of flowering in too small a pot which was roughly 1.25 gallons. We operate on a very small scale strictly for personal headstash focusing on quality over quantity. We are soon getting tents but will likely do one more in the homemade cab. Next run will be in a 2.25 gallon smart pot. We have also expanded on our inputs for the next batch of soil. Also looking at making a vegan mix for the future. This next run we will also be incorporating insect frass to the activated teas.
 

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DonPetro

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I gotta say folks, there is nothing like smoking organic herb. I just realized that i had forgotten what it was like to actually smoke REAL cannabis. With the market here being saturated with everything "Kush", smoking became boring, expensive and came with a feeling of doing more harm than good. But smoking this organic...WOW. Another level of cleanliness with a TRUE high not influenced by sythetic chemicals but rather natural, organic compounds. Will never grow any other way.
 

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DonPetro

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Blood meal is a dry, inert powder made from blood used as a high-nitrogen fertilizer. N = 13.25%, P = 1.0%, K = 0.6%. It is one of the highest non-synthetic sources of nitrogen.
Bone meal is a mixture of finely and coarsely ground animal bones and slaughter-house waste products. As an organic fertilizer it is primarily used as a source of phosphorus. Finely ground(steamed) bone meal may provide a quicker release of nutrients than the coarser ground version of bone meal. Also contains decent levels of calcium and magnesium.
N = 2%, P = 14%, K = 0%
Dolomite lime is an important source of calcium and magnesium. It is commonly used in soil mixes as a pH buffer or to raise pH in acidic soils.
Kelp meal is a very high-quality organic fertilizer. With an N-P-K ratio of approximately 1-0-2, it is a good source of nitrogen and potassium. It also contains minerals, amino acids, and trace amounts of other micronutrients.
Alfalfa meal is an abundant source of nitrogen and has a near perfect C:N ratio(12:1) to help promote bio-activity within the soil. Has many trace elements and micronutrients as well as an exclusive growth-enhancer called Triacontanol.
N = 2%, P = 1%, K = 2%
Greensand is great for enhancing soil structure and aeration and is a valuble source of slow release potassium and over 30 trace elements and micronutrients including iron and silica. N = 0%, P = 0.5%, K = 7%
Rock phosphate generally contains 65% calcium phosphate as well as a diversity of other compounds and micronutrients important to plant development. Also prevents the conversion and loss of nitrogen to ammonia gas.
Feather meal is a source of slow-release, organic, high-nitrogen fertilizer for organic gardens, containing up 12% nitrogen. It is not water soluble and does not make a good liquid fertilizer. It can be used to increase green leaf growth, activate compost decomposition and improve soil structure. When adding it to a garden as a nitrogen source, it must be blended into the soil to start the decomposition to make the nitrogenous compounds available to the plants.
Granite dust is a superior natural source of potash and also contains micronutrients. Helps with soil structure and is great for soil recycling as it is slow acting.

I posted this in hopes that maybe someone reads it and learns something. Also posted for personal reference to have all info in one spot. If anyone has something they would like to include please do so.
 

DonPetro

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Right on man. Just be sure to cook it for at least two weeks. My new soil mix and brew should top this last round though.
 

hyroot

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I just wish organic growing wasn't so damned expensive.
you might have to spend $200 for nutes and soil mix for a 4x4 area.. You won't have to buy anymore for the rest of the year. You grow other plants to make nutes with, make your own castings, and compost for free. When I used bottled nutes. I spent at least $100 -$150 every month on nutes. I was growing less number of plants in smaller pots then too.
 
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