Too Late To LST?

silv3rbull3t

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When is too late to LST a plant in veg? I have a 5 week old Northern lights auto who's been growing like crazy. I have the plant in a smaller grow cab. at the rate that its growing I'm afraid I may run out of vertical room.

I'm growing with a led so I'm not really worried about the plant getting burned from being to close to the light. I just switched the plant to 12/12 and she's not showing any buds yet. I apologize for no pics but my cell phone is acting up. All advice is appreciated.
 

peacepipe2010

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Hey man hope your girl is doing well, how big is your box and how tall is the plant now, I'd say if its 50% of the actual cab height I would lst now, have any pics?

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silv3rbull3t

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Hey man hope your girl is doing well, how big is your box and how tall is the plant now, I'd say if its 50% of the actual cab height I would lst now, have any pics?

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It's defiantly 50 percent of the box. I think I may have transported her into a box that may be too large (as it takes away some of the room for vertical growth). Sorry no pics my Iphone has been acting up :/ I'm thinking doing some "light training may be the way to go to save a some room.
 

applejohnny

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When is too late to LST a plant in veg? I have a 5 week old Northern lights auto who's been growing like crazy.... I just switched the plant to 12/12 and she's not showing any buds yet... All advice is appreciated.
How come you switched the lights to 12/12 with an auto ? just wondering..
 

Rentaldog

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It's defiantly 50 percent of the box. I think I may have transported her into a box that may be too large (as it takes away some of the room for vertical growth). Sorry no pics my Iphone has been acting up :/ I'm thinking doing some "light training may be the way to go to save a some room.
Its never too late to LST :P Im flowering, and still having to tie my girl down. She just wont stop growing, but now that ive opened her up more shes starting to bush out instead of continuing vertical growth.
 

tstick

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I am LST-ing my mother plant and also a clone I'm going to flower. We'll see if I can get some more production this run than on my last run where I used FIMing and topping techniques only. The planet seem to kind of "like" the LST. They show no signs of slowing down at all. I found that FIMing and topping tend to stun the plant for a day or so by comparison.
 

Silky Shagsalot

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Its never too late to LST
i agree. i tie down through the first couple three weeks of flower. but, the longer you wait in flower, the longer the wait time is for the growth tip to point back up towards the light. early on, by the end of the 12 hr. day, my top is usually pointing straight back up.
 

hermex

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Never too late is right! It does change how you do it though. The older the plant and more rigid the stem, the less you can bend it all at once. Some strains have very pliable stems throughout their lifecycle, others will be prone to snapping (and not while you are doing it, half an hour later :-(

Sometimes I stay right on top of the young ones and bend them after a couple weeks in their pot (never in the dixie cups), it really depends on how they responded to the transplant and how much growth I have to work with. The procedure I ideally follow is pretty cut and dry: pick a side of the plant, shear everything off of it, bend the plant over toward that side and tie it to itself. Personally, I do not stake anything off until the weight of the flowers bends the branches, in my mind this keeps the stalks as strong as they can be because they are moving around in the air. Now I will have my main stalk bent over and growing toward that side. On the rest of the plant, I shear off the branches that are within 6 to 8 inches of the soil, so that I can water without it being a pain the the bungalow (and these cuttings are usually my clones if I need them). For the remaining branches that are not the top, I leave the lowest full of all their leaves and nodes so that they will grow fast. The higher branches I prune to almost nothing and they slow down, I'm just trying to get the lower branches to catch up to the top because I want a nice, even canopy. When the lower branches have reached canopy level - through growth and through tying down of what would be higher - I prune them up to the very top as well. Now that main top that we bent will continue to grow and you can continue to tie it off in new locations farther up the stem. You can pick and choose which nodes to let grow, bend off side branches, and really do a variety of things to increase your yield.

Here are some pictures and they do not all necessarily reflect what I have written above (thanks dbag, right?) If anything this highlights that there are so many successful methods, each of their own merit! On another day I will learn how to order the pictures. From what I can see, the first one you will see has my hand in it. This is a White Widow plant that has been gradually bent over and bonsai'd like a mofo (I think that is the technical term). There is another photo that shows the whole bend and subsequent training, but in the one with my hand I was trying to show how I tried to follow a topping method I read on here (was it uncle ben's?) What you see is a topping that was done about 4 days ago. You have to experiment with what a plant can handle. A cheese I have had 22 top nugs from 11 topped branches....So, the bonsai'd plant is the white widow and you see the topping in the photo with my hand in it. I stayed on top of that plant.

There is also a photo in which you can see a wire hanger. This is a train wreck that I just let grow for weeks and weeks before doing any training. The stems are so pliable that don't feel the need to stay on top of it until two weeks pre flower (which is about 3 weeks into a regular veg if you are doing the math). I haven't felt the need to do too much topping to the train wreck because I can bend it so much and every. single. node. develops beautiful and dense flowers regardless of the size. I play around with a lot of wire hangers and go through a lot of tie downs. Again though, I'm shooting for an even canopy. I'm not sure if some of the lowers are going to make it by flower day....and I also trim a lot up until about the fourth week of flower when each branch has established "who's who"....how many nodes is this branch going to support now that I have seen what is going on after the flowers are showing?

There are two photos of a G13 that was bent over the course of a week if not more. The stem of this plant is quite girthy (to handle all those sweet, tasty, football sized colas!) and will break on you after you walk away! On a side note, I never bend without a full spray bottle to thoroughly soak a stem...ideally I return to spray it every 15 minutes until I am sure it will not snap. While I have seen this strain grow, it is new to my garden and on this plant I am experimenting to determine what it can support without losing density and that big bud appeal. First time? Snapped stem holding on by a thread? Dang man, mad at yourself, disheartened, scouring the internet. Duct tape it, plant tape it, scotch tape it, tie it, use clothes pins and chip clips if you split it....if you get the original two parts touching each other, they will probably re-adhere, spray the break and the foliage freely until your blunder has disappeared, this will be your punishment....and if not, the next lowest branch will take off as top dog! Sigh of relief and pat on the back.

Man, I hope that helps. I do not claim to know a lot but I've had some truly tasty results. A one month veg consistently yields 2.5 - 3.5 oz of top shelf finished product and a slightly longer veg easily hits the 4oz barrier....we're talking 17-24 inch plants in a lot of cases, so I feel pretty good about it and my patients all love what I am doing for them.
 

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radicaldank42

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you can lst anytime of growth all though its better fo you to =lst as soon as possible. but like I said anytime of growth you can start lst. hoave you tried lsting them to a trellis net and grow them like vines? or use something els like that?
chicken wire?
 

SOMEBEECH

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I lst all the way to a week before harvest.....just depends, on why your lstn.Space,light penetration,etc etc.
Doing a Scrog I do start very early and train mine to grow horizontal.
This method works best for me with a hybrid or sativa dom strain,and gets very good yields!
 

radicaldank42

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fishing net yes idk about the pipe cleaners due to the fuzz could get on the buds and I wouldn't wanna smoke that fuzz but idk never used them b4.
 

radicaldank42

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hgeres a question if youre using a netting and you use foliar sprays wouldn't the spray be soaked into the netting? would it cause any type of mildew or anything dangerous to the grow area? just a simple question
 
i have metal wires in the pipe cleaners and no fuzz, but i bought them from the hippie store so they are probably all organic and vegan friendly. I hate vegans.
 

SOMEBEECH

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The orange road barrier you see on the hwy,makes a great net.
Its plastic,and you can cut out what you need as you weave the plant.
As far as tying I use T-stat wire works great,just twist a few wires where it does not cut.

And NO I didnt steal the barrier a friend works for the DPS.:mrgreen:
 

silv3rbull3t

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How come you switched the lights to 12/12 with an auto ? just wondering..
Thanks for all the help guys. As to why I've switched into 12 hours of light, I'm not approaching this 6th week and I haven't seen any bud formation. I've heard of autos not actually automatically flowering, figured this could be a similar case. Also, as stated before room in the cab is becoming an issue. I feel like I have to do something to slow her down. What rate should I expect the plant to grow at now that she's on 12 and 12 and receiving flowering nutes?
 
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