CalMag when using RO water

[Noobie. Kinda]

iv got 3 plants second week into flowering. I went to the store, told the clerk iv been just watering with RO water, and the dude sold me on:

CalMag liquid ( he said if im ROing my water ill need it)
Advanced nutrients "connoisseur" parts A & B
advanced nutrients (Big bud) he said it was an additive..

He told me to mix them in all together as directed but make sure u put part
A in first before anything.. Now on the CalMag bottle it says, When using RO water add CalMag in first before adding advanced nutes. Should i listen to the bottle?
Anyone Familiar with the nutrients i listed? Some feed back would be sweet-

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

never buy just on the clerks recommendation, thats silly, do some homework and find what works for you.

as far as mixing, i havent used those chemicals except for calmg, but from previous experience it dosent matter what you add first or last just mix them in water and youre good to go.

 

[budman111]

I mix them up and leave sitting for 24hr, no probs.

 

[BROBIE]

Sorry, you were taken. The AN site boasts that no calmag is needed if you use any of their base nutes, even in RO. In fact, calmag is not in any feed schedule. Plus, Conny is way overkill too expensive. Take everything back and get just Sensi. If not, mix in the calmag first, then A, then B. The intent is to mix A before B, regardless if it is before or after the sups just so long you add A before B. If you are growing in soil IMO shit can all of it and get something organic. The Hydro dude was out for your dollar I think, not your best interest.

 

[budman111]

The AN site boasts that no calmag is needed if you use any of their base nutes, even in RO.

Unless you grow with LED and that theory is out of the window.

 

[chuck estevez]

Sorry, you were taken. The AN site boasts that no calmag is needed if you use any of their base nutes, even in RO. In fact, calmag is not in any feed schedule. Plus, Conny is way overkill too expensive. Take everything back and get just Sensi. If not, mix in the calmag first, then A, then B. The intent is to mix A before B, regardless if it is before or after the sups just so long you add A before B. If you are growing in soil IMO shit can all of it and get something organic. The Hydro dude was out for your dollar I think, not your best interest.

OK, who is posting on this account, this isn't the brobie I know.

 

[az2000]

Now on the CalMag bottle it says, When using RO water add CalMag in first before adding advanced nutes. Should i listen to the bottle?

When I face something like this (two components should be added first), I reserve two cups of water, add one component to that, then mix it in after adding the other component to the main body of water. Lessen the shock of extremely high or low ph products hitting full strength.

 

[941mick]

Sorry, you were taken. The AN site boasts that no calmag is needed if you use any of their base nutes, even in RO. In fact, calmag is not in any feed schedule. Plus, Conny is way overkill too expensive. Take everything back and get just Sensi. If not, mix in the calmag first, then A, then B. The intent is to mix A before B, regardless if it is before or after the sups just so long you add A before B. If you are growing in soil IMO shit can all of it and get something organic. The Hydro dude was out for your dollar I think, not your best interest.

AN rep for my area states the same thing, as far as conny being a waste and to just run sensi...

 

[BROBIE]

Damn, you caught me...UR right, with just 5,000 more posts, I may get a new customer or two.

All I did was punch in "calmag" and got this label:

CLICK HERE FOR LABEL

Notice where it says "Attention" - Thats all . As I always said , the base is fine by itself and that's all I use . Peace

edit; And if I were to use a calmag sup, it would be Botanicare because it has micros in it.

 

[Dirty Harry]

If your using RO because your tap water sucks with high PPM/EC of crap...mixing in some crap tap with the RO and still keeping the PPM/EC levels on the low but good side you will not need calmag. My tap is 650+PPM. My RO is 30-40. I mix tap for around 200PPM before anything else and had no problems. Calmag only adds what the RO filter removed. Mixing in some tap water for the trace minerals is cheaper.

 

[Glaucoma]

If your using RO because your tap water sucks with high PPM/EC of crap...mixing in some crap tap with the RO and still keeping the PPM/EC levels on the low but good side you will not need calmag. My tap is 650+PPM. My RO is 30-40. I mix tap for around 200PPM before anything else and had no problems. Calmag only adds what the RO filter removed. Mixing in some tap water for the trace minerals is cheaper.

Excellent idea!

 

[az2000]

My tap is 650+PPM. My RO is 30-40. I mix tap for around 200PPM before anything else and had no problems.

That's a good idea. Do you have to do anything about chlorine/chloramine at that dilution level?

 

[Bernie420]

Listen to the bottle. Dont know about your base nutes.


When using cal/mag you should add it first and let it bind with the water for at least fifteen minutes before adding anything else.

 

[churchhaze]

No complete 2 or 3 part hydroponic formula requires an extra product for calcium and magnesium. Using RO water doesn't mean you need to use a "cal-mag" product. That's simply a myth/lie.

GH flora 3 part in particular, you will not need a "calmag" product. (I refuse to use that term outside of quotes, ever).

flora micro's main ingredient is calcium nitrate, while flora bloom and grow contain adequate magnesium. That means you can get good levels of Ca and Mg through the 3 stock solutions, micro, grow, and bloom.

Nobody spoke of "calmag" when I started growing. Calcium and magnesium however, were frequently discussed, as those are actually elements rather than products/labels.

AN 3 part is a direct copy of GH 3 flora 3 part.

Notice where it says "Attention" - Thats all . As I always said , the base is fine by itself and that's all I use .

 

[Aeroknow]

No complete 2 or 3 part hydroponic formula requires an extra product for calcium and magnesium. Using RO water doesn't mean you need to use a "cal-mag" product. That's simply a myth/lie.

GH flora 3 part in particular, you will not need a "calmag" product. (I refuse to use that term outside of quotes, ever).

flora micro's main ingredient is calcium nitrate, while flora bloom and grow contain adequate magnesium. That means you can get good levels of Ca and Mg through the 3 stock solutions, micro, grow, and bloom.

Nobody spoke of "calmag" when I started growing. Calcium and magnesium however, were frequently discussed, as those are actually elements rather than products/labels.

AN 3 part is a direct copy of GH 3 flora 3 part.

Yeah, no cal-mag product when i started either. But I kinda remember that product coming out, or at least when I noticed it on shelves, at about the same time when overgrow came on line, and everyone was telling each other that "if you don't use RO water, you don't know what ur
missing". I fell for it, and then started experiencing deficiencies. Naturally, RO is killer when you got
Really fucked up water. But i didn't.
Now, I could be mistaken, but I also kind of remember being told, back then, that most base nutes, at least using GH's flora series @ 3-2-1 and 1-2-3 were designed around your average tap water.
I'm definately not trying to question anyone, or get into some kind of a fight I love the chatter, And there has been a hell of allot of different threads lately about this issue.

 

[churchhaze]

Once you add nutrients to the RO water, it's nutrient water, not RO water with nutrients in it.

The fact that it once was RO or distilled is sort of a red herring is what I'm getting at.

Basically what I'm saying is that if your end product has less calcium, use more in your mix. (in other words, use more flora micro)

In case it isn't obvious, it's the term "calmag" or "cal-mag" that i hate. I wish people would just call them calcium and magnesium, cal and mag, or Ca and Mg. ANYTHING but 'calmag'.

Yeah, no cal-mag product when i started either. But I kinda remember that product coming out, or at least when I noticed it on shelves, at about the same time when overgrow came on line, and everyone was telling each other that "if you don't use RO water, you don't know what ur
missing". I fell for it, and then started experiencing deficiencies. Naturally, RO is killer when you got
Really fucked up water. But i didn't.
Now, I could be mistaken, but I also kind of remember being told, back then, that most base nutes, at least using GH's flora series @ 3-2-1 and 1-2-3 were designed around your average tap water.
I'm definately not trying to question anyone, or get into some kind of a fight I love the chatter, And there has been a hell of allot of different threads lately about this issue.

 

[Aeroknow]

Once you add nutrients to the RO water, it's nutrient water, not RO water with nutrients in it.

The fact that it once was RO or distilled is sort of a red herring is what I'm getting at.

Basically what I'm saying is that if your end product has less calcium, use more in your mix. (in other words, use more flora micro)

In case it isn't obvious, it's the term "calmag" or "cal-mag" that i hate. I wish people would just call them calcium and magnesium, cal and mag, or Ca and Mg. ANYTHING but 'calmag'.

Gotcha. What I'm saying, is that I think the product cal-mag(sorry lol), replaces the average amount/ratio of Ca and Mg found in most city tap water, before RO strips it clean of. Maybe?

 

[Jbone77]

Once you add nutrients to the RO water, it's nutrient water, not RO water with nutrients in it.

The fact that it once was RO or distilled is sort of a red herring is what I'm getting at.

Basically what I'm saying is that if your end product has less calcium, use more in your mix. (in other words, use more flora micro)

In case it isn't obvious, it's the term "calmag" or "cal-mag" that i hate. I wish people would just call them calcium and magnesium, cal and mag, or Ca and Mg. ANYTHING but 'calmag'.

Lol, I was just talking about the same thing

 

[az2000]

kind of remember being told, back then, that most base nutes, at least using GH's flora series @ 3-2-1 and 1-2-3 were designed around your average tap water.

GH sells a "Micro Hardwater" which implies GH Flora Micro is for whatever "normal" tap water is. From the web site:

Used in place of FloraMicro when your starting water contains over 200 ppm or Calcium above 70ppm. Formulated to compensate for the elevated levels in your base water. For starting water with 30 to 50 ppm of Calcium mix equal parts of FloraMicro and FloraMicro Hardwater for the ideal Micro blend.
-- http://generalhydroponics.com/site/index.php/products/nutrients/flora_series/flora_micro_hardwater/

 

[Aeroknow]

GH sells a "Micro Hardwater" which implies GH Flora Micro is for whatever "normal" tap water is. From the web site:

I really don't understand the reference to hardwater micro. In fact, hardwater micro is the complete opposite of what i'm getting at. Maybe re-read what i've posted?