giving defoliation during flower a try

[CaretakerDad]

I was starting to think the plant need all the fan leaves till I read this post, thanks chuck

leaves need c02 and light on the fan leaves so if the canopy too thick a lot of fan will not get light and co2 they need so by removing some fan leaves from a thick canopy its going to help by increasing airflow

How in the fuck did you get here from there?

 

[subgrounds]

Well, shit. What we have here.. is an impass. Screw you guys, I'm going home.

 

[subgrounds]

THE ONLY way defoliation would increase your yield is if you take of just enough to increse light penetration without sacrificing, um, PHOTOSYNTHESIS AND RESPIRATION AND PRODUCTION OF CARBOHYDRATES, you fucking MORON. You need leaves. Those "newbies" you mentioned - were right.

Pruning away enough leaves to open up your canopy, 2 weeks into flower, is great, but don't fucking ruin the god damn plant you fucking twat!

 

[subgrounds]

ATP and NADTP say NAAAAAAAAAAAY!

 

[skunkd0c]

Pruning away enough leaves to open up your canopy, 2 weeks into flower, is great, but don't fucking ruin the god damn plant you fucking twat!

some folk confuse canopy management with defoliation
folk into defoliation will start during veg
picking most of the leaves off because they think this causes lots of shoots/bud sites to grow
most of the examples i have seen of this do not look good the colas end up skinny

peace

 

[PetFlora]

As long as you continue to post bullshit I will continue to point out you are a bullshitter and your pathetic attempts to pretend to be a victim of an internet bully isn't going to change that. Welcome to a discussion forum crybaby.

"It's one thing to disagree", it's quite another to insist on spreading false information that has been disproven in many discussions just to keep fooling yourself and others that you have any "expertise" or "credibility", essentially to be a delusional asshat. Reporting me for pointing out you're a bullshitter and warning others for your potential harmful nonsense is acting like a little bitch... and I treat people like they act.

Some people have to be dragged into the 21st century. The Flat Earth syndrome. FEs took it so personally they killed to preserve it.

Sounds like you

I'm not here to drag you, but to awaken others to the possibilities that thinking outside the box can pay dividends

Go on your way PEACEFULLY

 

[PetFlora]

Well, shit. What we have here.. is an impass. Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Not an impasse

The cartoon is a simple example

A full flowering canopy blocks the reds which do not penetrate well beyond the first leafs it contacts

Opening the canopy up allows more reds to reach below the canopy

 

[CaretakerDad]

Not an impasse

The cartoon is a simple example

A full flowering canopy blocks the reds which do not penetrate well beyond the first leafs it contacts

Opening the canopy up allows more reds to reach below the canopy

And what exactly are they reaching for?

 

[Uncle Ben]

Some people have to be dragged into the 21st century. The Flat Earth syndrome. FEs took it so personally they killed to preserve it.

Bullshit. Botany hasn't changed in milienia. Neither has the misguided myths and paradigms perpetrated in cannabis forums for decades from one crop of noobs to the next.

I'm not here to drag you, but to awaken others to the possibilities that thinking outside the box can pay dividends

I know someone that needs to get out of a box, whew!

Not understanding botany is ignorance, removing the very plant unit that produces all of the plant's tissue is forum stupidity lockstepping, and thinking budsites need full exposure to light is really retarded.

 

[Uncle Ben]

A full flowering canopy blocks the reds which do not penetrate well beyond the first leafs it contacts

Opening the canopy up allows more reds to reach below the canopy

Care to explain that to my farmer friend who raises pecans and pears?

 

[akhiymjames]

Care to explain that to my farmer friend who raises pecans and pears?

They will never learn UB

 

[PetFlora]

Watch and learn.

This is 29 day old reveg

Note all the new leafs

Extrapolating, by removing PRIMARY leafs on a regular plant the secondary leafs (those closest to the buds) get more energy to grow/feed the buds

 

[subgrounds]

some folk confuse canopy management with defoliation
folk into defoliation will start during veg


I could see that being the case, and I think variences in genetics affect the outcome of the technique involved.

 

[Sativied]

Some people have to be dragged into the 21st century. The Flat Earth syndrome. FEs took it so personally they killed to preserve it.

Sounds like you

Sounds like the me you are so desperately trying to project in your imagination based on your own flaws. You're the one stuck in the last decade repeating the same old forum bullshit so it makes no sense for you to call me an FE. It's what I refer to as reflection as I also explained to you earlier, the classic butthurt response.

Remembers what I said about people with more than half a brain? They see that too

Your comments are attempts to slander me based on no logical foundation, it's not even in reply to anything, just random nonsense to try and repair your broken ego. Like most of the rest of what you post, irrelevant bullshit you make up or parrot, while my comments are in direct response to the stupid bullshit and crappy plants you keep posting.

Have fun making stuff up about an imaginary person in your head, it will not stop the real me from pointing out your bullshit.

 

[Wilksey]

Watch and learn.

This is 29 day old reveg

Note all the new leafs

Extrapolating, by removing PRIMARY leafs on a regular plant the secondary leafs (those closest to the buds) get more energy to grow/feed the buds

The picture I posted previously showed the exact OPPOSITE of what you are claiming.

Defoliated plants produced LESS bud than their non-defoliated control group, at EVERY level of the plant, from top colas to lower tier buds.

If defoliation was even remotely viable as a growing technique, then at least ONE defoliated plant would have produced larger buds than the non-defoliated control group, but this didn't happen. NONE of the defoliated plants produced larger buds. ALL of the defoliated plants produced LESS bud than their non-defoliated control group.

The results of that grow showed defoliation is NOT a viable technique to produce larger buds ANYWHERE on the plant. Period.

 

[skunkd0c]

the problem is, the plants/phenos that would benefit the most/suffer the most shading tend to be indicas
removing lots of leaves from these wide leaf indica plants does them no good in my experience, it can totally distort the colas and make them grow back leafy
many sativa types do not suffer this distorted regrowth but often these types do not have shading issues anyway

 

[chuck estevez]

Maybe because he uses L.E.D lighting, he needs better light penetration.
I never have that issue with HPS

 

[Sativied]

Care to explain that to my farmer friend who raises pecans and pears?

Let me illustrate how the bullshitter forum parrot operates: in a recent discussion it became apparent based on reliable research that green light absorbs less well than red and blue, that as a result green light penetrates and reaches the lower leaves as well. As with much of the forum nonsense it's something taken to the extreme opposite (like going from using only water to leach excessive nutes from a medium to claiming flushing plants improves taste).

The blueshitter thinks he can use that as an argument to remove the top leaves, while he obviously should stop pretending to know shit about LEDs and spectrums when he does not understand basics like respiration, transpiration, photosynthesis, phloem and xylem transport etc, etc, .

 

[skunkd0c]

Watch and learn.

This is 29 day old reveg

Note all the new leafs

Extrapolating, by removing PRIMARY leafs on a regular plant the secondary leafs (those closest to the buds) get more energy to grow/feed the buds

they seem to handle it for the most part, the leaves will grow back many times
it takes less than a week for them to all grow back, you have to pick them all off again

i find it interesting most sativa plants can grow well with virtually no leaves, but i do not think it improves yield
if things are planed better and spaced better leaves should not need to be removed at all unless they are half dead anyway or yellow
some plants naturally grow in an unhelpful shape, while others naturally allow light to fall more evenly over the surface of the colas
some plants extend their branches above the canopy naturally , others flower downward much of the bud can be hidden
bending plants open and tucking leaves out of the way is better than removing leaves
i tend to grow big plants with hundreds of leaves and i still try to keep as many as possible

 

[PetFlora]

FUCK YOU, Uncle Ben! I may be a novice, but I do understand basic botany and horticulture, and I never said "bud-sites need full light."

I know an old, sometimes quite wise, man who should pull his head out of his ass. And by the way leaves don't produce tissue asshole they produce glucose.

Wow, that made me very fucking mad. Fuck you you old coot. I'm fucking shaking I'm so angry...

Easy buddy. They delight in getting under our skin.

I delight in not letting them.

I simply show where they are misguided, which they refuse to appreciate, cause, it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks.

Sat has to resort to viscous and profane attacks.

What he doesn't know is he has nothing on my mother, who wrote the book and can out-swear him in her sleep. Hopefully she is resting peacefully on the other side, cause she was anything but when alive.

 

[PetFlora]

Sounds like the me you are so desperately trying to project in your imagination based on your own flaws. You're the one stuck in the last decade repeating the same old forum bullshit so it makes no sense for you to call me an FE. It's what I refer to as reflection as I also explained to you earlier, the classic butthurt response.

Remembers what I said about people with more than half a brain? They see that too

Your comments are attempts to slander me based on no logical foundation, it's not even in reply to anything, just random nonsense to try and repair your broken ego. Like most of the rest of what you post, irrelevant bullshit you make up or parrot, while my comments are in direct response to the stupid bullshit and crappy plants you keep posting.

Have fun making stuff up about an imaginary person in your head, it will not stop the real me from pointing out your bullshit.

This "parrot" "imaginary person in my head" (pot kettle dude) actually has posted grows here for 3+ years.

Anything I say/suggest there are lot of pictures supporting them in my grow threads.

Like the 29 day defol- to- fat plant pics #193 above that you totally ignored

BTW, no one seems interested in either of our comments

I am unsubbing now

Peace Out