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D619

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Greetings Earthlings!

This is Sorcerers Apprentice. Perfect for a day of LARPing with thine fellow armigers.

Smell: A stale wind blowing through thistles of rye.

Taste: Reminiscent of a fine pudding.

Stone: Epic Sledgehammer of Mordor!

Satchel Appeal: Glistens like Golden drakoons in the fire's ire.
That's just simply beautiful!
Nice job..
 

st0wandgrow

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Greetings Earthlings!

This is Sorcerers Apprentice. Perfect for a day of LARPing with thine fellow armigers.

Smell: A stale wind blowing through thistles of rye.

Taste: Reminiscent of a fine pudding.

Stone: Epic Sledgehammer of Mordor!

Satchel Appeal: Glistens like Golden drakoons in the fire's ire.

Holy smokes! It's been a while since I've seen a prettier plant than that
 

Mad Hamish

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The pivotal point in that thread is basically this: http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELPRD3456145

That describes why the National Organic Standards Board even allows extracts which utilize potassium or sodium hydroxide, in good enough detail. There is other research from academics I linked to in that thread. Over the past several decades there has actually been quite a bit of research done on seaweed/kelp and extracts thereof. A lot of the research used concentrates (extracts) and documented various plant responses. Seaweed concentrates have not only been demonstrated to be effective at stimulating growth, but should actually be more effective in general than raw kelp since they are more concentrated (including in the PGR department) as has been pointed out.

The primary methods in which seaweed extracts are made seem to be: cold pressed or mechanical, enzymatic digestion (or some combination thereof) and alkali extraction (using small amounts of KOH or NaOH). In general, all should contain many of the things natural kelp does and be more concentrated. All may differ in their results, as each will have subtle but perhaps significant enough variations in end composition.


It makes sense that extracts would be more effective. Kelp meal has growth substances trapped inside the cells of the kelp. Just like the nutrients in the kelp, they don't do the plant any good until something releases them from within those cells and gives the roots (or foliage) access. Plant growth substances are likely to be quite a bit more delicate than nutrients, though, (they are larger molecules/compounds) and could even be modified or destroyed by microbial activity in ways which nutrients cannot (since nutrients are more like basic building blocks). Extracts, however they are made, aim to release the cell contents from seaweed-cell cytoplasm, growth substances and all. In this fashion they can be applied to soil and be directly available (hence more effective), or better yet applied to foliage and be even more effective (since plants absorb substances via foliage much quicker than roots).

So really, kelp meal and extracts can both be used for quite different although somewhat similar purposes.
I miss the rep button.
 

Mad Hamish

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Greetings Earthlings!

This is Sorcerers Apprentice. Perfect for a day of LARPing with thine fellow armigers.

Smell: A stale wind blowing through thistles of rye.

Taste: Reminiscent of a fine pudding.

Stone: Epic Sledgehammer of Mordor!

Satchel Appeal: Glistens like Golden drakoons in the fire's ire.
Might just be my favorite review of all time. I learned nothing but enjoyed every word
 

Mad Hamish

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No concern to me at.
I won't bother even responding to this post about fermentation extracts and concentrates x100. Subjects dropped. Happy growing.
I for one am glad others decided to not drop the subject. Total info bombs dropped. When it comes to sharing of research and ideas, one is either in the circle or out of it. This is the point individual emotions matter none, it is the reason for being on a site like this. I do wish you wouldn't get up in arms and just enjoy the information stream, it is sooooo hard to get one going these days. Rather sit in the circle.
 

TonightYou

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I for one am glad others decided to not drop the subject. Total info bombs dropped. When it comes to sharing of research and ideas, one is either in the circle or out of it. This is the point individual emotions matter none, it is the reason for being on a site like this. I do wish you wouldn't get up in arms and just enjoy the information stream, it is sooooo hard to get one going these days. Rather sit in the circle.
A lot of times the streams (and I'm no accusing you) surrounding organic are a huge turnoff. There are nuggets of truth in their no doubt but it's cultish and at times at odds of what plants really need (as in not the sources, but what they need). I can only deal with no true Scotsman for so long before I just bow out. One can grow perfectly fine plants synthetics or organics. At the end of the day, as long as requirements are met, a plant doesn't give, or know two shits about the source. I've done organic gardening, not cannabis and it was a pure joy. Yet listening to die hards, one would think it's the only way.
 

TonightYou

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Some people find organics easy, like myself, some find synthetics easier. Heck some crazy bastards find Hydro easier then a soil grow, those are the wacky and crazy dudes, all of them are probably left handed too.

It's a wacky and crazy time man :) people and their preferences :) o_O
The only wrong way is killing your plants or having a bunch of issues with your harvested bud. Some techniques are easier, some more complicated
 

TonightYou

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Yay! Harvest starts this week for me. So excited to have bud again! Not sure what I'll cut down first but the following plants are wrapping up:
Goji - is ready to come down
White Lotus 1 and 2 - Ready to come down
Bangi Haze - wrapping up
Maple Leaf Indica- wrapping up

I can only dry one plant at a time, so it's a toss up on what will come down first (Goji, White Lotus 1/2). I need three days to dry before I start the slow cure in jars. Humidity is so low at my place I go to jars early but the process has always worked even though it is hands on (opening the jars and rotating buds a couple times a day). I'll pick the plants based on which ones are the most ready. I am stoked as I'll have jars until Christmas, and have SSDD finishing up end of the month.

Next up in the tent will be China Yunnan. I hope it's a female, spent so much time vegging this plant and it's my only one. It's a beautiful plant, but if it's a male, no big deal. Mountain Temple and Blueberry Hill will go into the tent next for sure as they are becoming monsters in veg.

Testers are still doing great, also have some Lucky Charms F2, which are healthy and I'm bushing out, I also have 4 TER, and Snow Queens that are getting ready. So life is alright.

Eta: sad as I lost a tad of floor space as the carbon filter I bought (in emergency, not a normal purchase but mine was giving off funk, not cannabis smelling but something that would draw attention, the tent fucking reeks!), so this model can't be hung and instead sits on top of the older more narrow filter to be closer to the light in order to shorten the distance of duct work and extract more heat.
 
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TonightYou

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I like the differences between the White Lotus. One is going to be a huge harvest, while the other gal is easily more frosty, more tight nug formation and much less yield despite similar veg times and flowering times. Not sure if I'll keep the larger yielding one, but it is significant in comparison to her sister. Smoke test will be the decider as the first go round my initial thought is to toss both. Not because they were bad, just not for me. Plus I've got new stuff coming up (pagoda, lucky charms, ancient OG, TER, and the Afkan testers), plus I will start PCK again and a couple more Maple Leaf Indicas, I still have one more in veg and they take forever to get going. I regret not getting a cut of MLI as she is stunning albeit a low yielding, slow plant
 

Tranquileyes

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Has anyone else experienced any instability with lucky charms? Man I'm bummed the high yielding, frost laden pheno I've found shot balls again. This is one of the most beautiful plants I've ever grown out, I want to believe its my fault.. From seed it shot balls about two weeks into flower on all nodes aside from the tops of the 4 main colas, I chopped everything off except those tops, now those colas are about 12" and fat as fuck and ball free. Think dream beaver photo the banks use, but with 'the white' level frost, stunning. Haven't smoked, but it seems to be everything I'm told can't exist in one package, too good to be true, perhaps...

Now here's where I need some help, because I must be losing my mind. I have 4 females, 2 of them being two weeks older. I flowered the first 2, both shot full blown male parts alongside buds about 2 weeks in. I removed some lower branches, and figured that was to blame, I removed the balls and they haven't returned. Around this time I throw the other 2 girls in, I remove ZERO branches/fans, no male parts show up. Hmm must have been the over pruning to blame for the first 2 girls right?.. nope, their clones, about 2 weeks in have shot male parts again. Is it seriously possible that the first 2 are herms, and the second two aren't, by chance? This just seems like an incredible long shot to me. I will also mention that I have a few other strains growing alongside without issue. Additionally, the stellar girl is way more ridden with balls than the other, they also seem to be similar in bud structure, so maybe it's a parent to blame, so if it helps ID the lineage, along with the info above, it's also very short and squat, does not bush out per se, it seems to favor the mains, and she has very waxy dark green foliage unlike all other phenos, my thinking is perhaps 'the white' lacks stability like many other 'clone only' strains, and this may be her representation. Many of you can probably ID this based on the description, but if not I'll post up pics later, fuck it I'll throw them up when I can either way because she's pretty as fuck :)
 

TonightYou

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Has anyone else experienced any instability with lucky charms? Man I'm bummed the high yielding, frost laden pheno I've found shot balls again. This is one of the most beautiful plants I've ever grown out, I want to believe its my fault.. From seed it shot balls about two weeks into flower on all nodes aside from the tops of the 4 main colas, I chopped everything off except those tops, now those colas are about 12" and fat as fuck and ball free. Think dream beaver photo the banks use, but with 'the white' level frost, stunning. Haven't smoked, but it seems to be everything I'm told can't exist in one package, too good to be true, perhaps...

Now here's where I need some help, because I must be losing my mind. I have 4 females, 2 of them being two weeks older. I flowered the first 2, both shot full blown male parts alongside buds about 2 weeks in. I removed some lower branches, and figured that was to blame, I removed the balls and they haven't returned. Around this time I throw the other 2 girls in, I remove ZERO branches/fans, no male parts show up. Hmm must have been the over pruning to blame for the first 2 girls right?.. nope, their clones, about 2 weeks in have shot male parts again. Is it seriously possible that the first 2 are herms, and the second two aren't, by chance? This just seems like an incredible long shot to me. I will also mention that I have a few other strains growing alongside without issue. Additionally, the stellar girl is way more ridden with balls than the other, they also seem to be similar in bud structure, so maybe it's a parent to blame, so if it helps ID the lineage, along with the info above, it's also very short and squat, does not bush out per se, it seems to favor the mains, and she has very waxy dark green foliage unlike all other phenos, my thinking is perhaps 'the white' lacks stability like many other 'clone only' strains, and this may be her representation. Many of you can probably ID this based on the description, but if not I'll post up pics later, fuck it I'll throw them up when I can either way because she's pretty as fuck :)

Huh, this is an odd situation. Haven't had any male parts on the white lotus and I kinda tortured them the first go round (high temperatures think 100 degrees and root bound in 1 gallon pots). I know a stupid question, but since this has happened on a few different stains perhaps something in the environment is wrong. Light leaks?
 

Tranquileyes

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Huh, this is an odd situation. Haven't had any male parts on the white lotus and I kinda tortured them the first go round (high temperatures think 100 degrees and root bound in 1 gallon pots). I know a stupid question, but since this has happened on a few different stains perhaps something in the environment is wrong. Light leaks?
When shit like this happens I beat myself up and assume its 10000% my fault, but with that said, I've sat in the room for extended periods during darkness observing no light leaks. Also weird that 2/12 shot balls, 2 more of those 12 being the same genetics.
 

Tranquileyes

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I've observed a few soil mites, I have pics and will post up in the bugs section in a few. But again, why 2/12? fuck this shits discouraging..

Edit: the mites have been around for quite some time and have yet to bother any plants, but I'm not ruling anything out.
 

TonightYou

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Gotta clean that garden brother. Mites are no good but I can't see that necessarily be the culprit. No over feeding or anything? Just tossing out possibilities
 

natro.hydro

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They might be predatory mites which would be good. Had some in the last grow I did at my old place. Was tweaking about them for the longest time the. Came to learn they were eating the fungus gnat larvae I was also fighting, my understanding wss they were already in the roots organic I was using ss a medium.
In other news all 14 are topped for their first "manifold" for mainling. Kinda worried this method might be to stressful for em but they are explodijg after the first cut so we shall see...
 
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