Gas prices
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Dloomis514
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Oil broke 70USD PER barrel today so lower prices ahead
The Hippy
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$1.08 lowest I've seen so far.
$ 84.3 in Oshweken is the cheapest in Ontario today.
http://www.ontariogasprices.com/
$ 84.3 in Oshweken is the cheapest in Ontario today.
http://www.ontariogasprices.com/
Oil sands, was one of the best buys ever @ $18/unit.
Hit 180, split 5 to 1.
and they said it would go back and Haprshit actually believed them.!!!??? What a MORON! I hope Steveo held onto his shares in oilsands.
Those pipes are a waste of Harper's time. I hope he chokes on them on finds them sticking out his rear end.
Hit 180, split 5 to 1.
and they said it would go back and Haprshit actually believed them.!!!??? What a MORON! I hope Steveo held onto his shares in oilsands.
Those pipes are a waste of Harper's time. I hope he chokes on them on finds them sticking out his rear end.
ttystikk
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Separate out the incremental carbon footprint of electric vehicles vs conventional- diesels included- and you'll find a vanishingly small difference. Factor in lower carbon footprint of usage, better generation efficiencies and recycling spent batteries- which reduces carbon footprints of new ones because the materials are reprocessed- and you have a winner right now.
Now, use that abundant natural gas- from fossil or renewable farm sources- to generate electricity at home and power transmission losses are eliminated. How?
Home heat and power cogeneration, either with an advanced heat pump that runs a natural gas powered internal combustion engine to spin a generator- and your house gets to use the waste heat for free- or a fuel cell, which while not yet widely available promises to be far more efficient- and the homeowner still gets free waste heat from the process.
Carrying the electricity producing device onboard the automobile is a quaint throwback to yesteryear. There's no need anymore and it takes up space in the car better used for people and cargo.
Now THAT'S a solution to the problem of high fuel prices!
Now, use that abundant natural gas- from fossil or renewable farm sources- to generate electricity at home and power transmission losses are eliminated. How?
Home heat and power cogeneration, either with an advanced heat pump that runs a natural gas powered internal combustion engine to spin a generator- and your house gets to use the waste heat for free- or a fuel cell, which while not yet widely available promises to be far more efficient- and the homeowner still gets free waste heat from the process.
Carrying the electricity producing device onboard the automobile is a quaint throwback to yesteryear. There's no need anymore and it takes up space in the car better used for people and cargo.
Now THAT'S a solution to the problem of high fuel prices!
i dont know anout the home electric generators youre talking a about. But i do know electric cars are shit for the environment. No other way to view it. Buying a used vw diesel is the best thing you can do for the environment if youre really concerned with the environment. http://hubpages.com/hub/Prius
ttystikk
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You are absolutely right, of course. Even a used Escalade is a lot less damaging than a new compact car, hybrid or not.
That said, people will not stop buying new cars. I'd rather they buy electric than diesel, because electric is better head to head on a level playing field.
Say a volt or Prius or a tdi Jetta? Jetta every time. It's basiclly just as clean as the other 2. And far less complex mechanically. We know the batteries will always be a problem till battery tech vastly improves. The electric motors are still unproven in the long run. Ect ect. Hydrogen is the way to no toxic admissions.
ttystikk
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None of the cars you listed are actually electric; at best they are hybrids, and I'm on record as saying a hybrid it's an undesirable compromise.
An electric car is as fundamentally mechanically complex as your starter motor and the battery to operate it. Add a power controller and you're done. NOTHING TO TUNE UP. EVER.
The idea that electric motors aren't proven is so laughable as to not deserve comment, but I'll say they are THE most reliable motors available at anything approaching a commercially viable price point. That certainly includes diesel engines.
And nothing that burns fuel is coming anywhere near the 96-99% power to work conversion efficiency of electric motors.
I'm not alone; Elon Musk says the same thing, and he paid a big team of engineers to find the best way to power a car. His answer is electric and leave the generation stations to sit near fueling points.
GroErr
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Never does, does it, fucking cartel is right. They use the excuse of instability (self-created?) to drive prices through the roof immediately, then bring it down at 10% of the rate and time period that it takes them to bring the prices up. $#%!
VIANARCHRIS
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I would worry about the replacement costs for the batteries. I have an electric bike I paid $1800 for. I had to replace the batteries after 3 years at $800. The second set lasted a year and a half, so I said fuck it.
Well I was referring or is it reefeering? To the electric motors in the hybrids. For a city car electric could work but battery tech is the limiting factor. Heavy and expensive to produce. We've all seen the videos showing the battery of the future how many times? I mean for Christ sakes we have hover boards now ffs. We should have electric cas that can drive more then a few hundred km on a charge. I like elon and it's going to take a generation of elons to come up with a viable electric car. I love tourqe so I'm not aginst electric at all. I've had a test drive in a tesla. I know what they can do already.
bigmanc
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One time i asked the guy at the store i frequent and i believe hes the owner/brother of owner and i asked why the prices arent dropping and he came up with they purchase fuel 2 months in advance so you wont see a price difference until then...probably bullshit paki talk
j0yr1d3
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Electric isn't feasible right now for most. Electric motors/batteries can't put out the same horsepower as gas combustion, at least not without adding a few hundred pounds worth of batteries. Also the range/charging is a big factor. We're 20 years away yet from viable electric cars.
WHATFG
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I'm all for reducing carbon footprints...having said that, how would an electric vehicle run at -40, -50....I'm not even sure we have a hybrid up here...seasonal driving would never work unless it was only local and we pay .14 or .16/kWh it's high whatever it is so that would be another factor...