giving defoliation during flower a try

AlphaPhase

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Lmao.

I just ate a turkey tenderloin on toast sandwich (with miracle whip) and home made mashed potatoes on the side. Best fucking meal in a while! I have a twinkie and milk to demolish now. Also 2 home made oatmeal raisin cookies. It's time to put my game face on and dominate this snack game.
 

Sativied

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That is a unique idea about rolling the leaves up, but that will only lead to the same problem as over lapped leaves except much worse (notice the plants respiration problems with the drooping :(
Yeah I was being sarcastic. I like to omit the sarcasm smiley.

You have to admit, my plants always look glorious ;) jk jk
They look spectacular.



I'm jk. they look great. Better than my soil and coco plants ;)
I've been cutting my leaves in half on my flower plants (usually I remove the ones that have to go..In my opinion anyway. It hhelps but I'm still getting extreme moisture build up. Yes, I know the solution, put less plants in the space so each plant has more room.. But that would kill my yield as opposed to just doing some selective pruning.
The solution to the moisture build up is reducing temp fluctuations between night and day and increase airflow and ventilation. I also don't agree it would necessarily have to kill your yield. 1 huge fat colas can weigh as much as four thinner ones.

That said, I remove some fans during the last week or so to prevent it from getting too moist (bud rot always a big risk here). Removing leaves (like the ones at the bottom) does reduce transpiration which in turn can help prevent moisture build up. I could solve that too by running my other vent system (got two in my closet) but it doesn't have a carbon filter yet.

It seems you are removing leaves mostly on the parts of the plant that would not exists if each bud site were an individual plant right?

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(pfm = pruned for mainstems)

I do the latter although the image was just a rough example I posted once, which involves removing a few leaves but no defoliation from the eventual buds sites /colas, especially not during flowering. No "remove leaves for better light penetration". It's pruning and cropping and not defoliating.

And als not lollipopping. lollipopping could be considered a form of pruning (removing the lower thieves) but isn't defoliation. It's more the opposite of what you described earlier. Instead of removing the leaf you remove the branch above it. The new shoot that isn't going to amount to anything.


but indoor everyone's first goal should be yield,
Agreed, the goal is to end up with bud. But.... that's not the same thing as the goal being to maximize the yield. The first goal should always be to grow enough quality.
 

Sativied

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Ok one more cause "seeing is believing"

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Chocolate fondue + skywalker kush + kolossus. Quantity-wise and quality-wise best run, was in previous smaller closet. They are sort of lollipopped because I vegged way too long [edit: no, that was the round before that...], that one in the back is a branch that was nearly 6 feet tall... well, if it weren't cropped...

 
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chuck estevez

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Ok one more cause "seeing is believing"

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Chocolate fondue + skywalker kush + kolossus. Quantity-wise and quality-wise best run, was in previous smaller closet. They are sort of lollipopped because I vegged way too long, that one in the back is a branch that was nearly 6 feet tall... well, if it weren't cropped...

I like how that girl in the back, was like, I'm gettin in this pic.
 

Sativied

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I see I mixed up two grows, the lollipopped grow was liberty haze before that...

This is all from the kolossus, plant left in the back in previous mangrove pic. (include a few large buds I preharvested in jar)
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Skinny but no fluff. Actually, I had nearly zero % popcorn that round. That plant was covered largely by the taller chocolate fondues.

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^Kolossus

Of the latter (CF) even the smallest stuff were still little dense (super frosty and tasty) nuggets:
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The popcorn:
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Skywalker kush in front. I've since reduced the N slightly in my nutrient regime :)

I like how that girl in the back, was like, I'm gettin in this pic.
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That's the chocolate fondue plant that produce the best bud I've grown and amongst the best I've smoked. It's also what inspired the cross I'm working on. Chocolate Fondue is Chocolope x UK Cheese. Chocolope is Thai choco x cannalope haze. My P cross is similar but without the tall Thai, i.e. chunk x cannalope haze.


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That was over 19oz from 3x4' under 400w veg+transition and 600w flower. If it were clones from the best yielder instead of seed...
 
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Sativied

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I made an attempt to create some fem beans using tiresias mist that round, reversed a branch from skywalker kush to get pollen and used it on that tall chocolate fondue. Over and over and over... I got zero seeds. At least, that's what I thought. While crumbling one of the last buds I heard a seed fall on the table. Name it Late Night, turned out to be the best looking plant I had in veg.

Pollinated nearly the entire thing (with cannalope haze, its granddaddy) because she smelled so delicious (sweet haze). She had just one major downside. It seems almost as if the pollen that made that seed wasn't from the SK, but from a hemp pollen that blown in. Huge stretch, like nothing I've seen before. It still however produced that delicious sweet haze. Like CF but lighter, no skunky taste anymore, not spicy haze, just sweet haze. Nothing all all like the SK.

Anyway, that stretch is why it's sort of on hold even though I sort of backcrossed it to CH once already and that certainly improved it, it also killed the taste (taste exactly like CH again, complete dominant). I suspect I can find those in the next gen, but I need more space first to do a large selection to find that taste 'and' in the least skinniest.

(CF x unknown) x Cannalope Haze
((Chocolope x UK Cheese) x unknown) x Cannalope Haze
(((Cannalope Haze x Thai Choco) x UK Cheese) x unknown) x Cannalope Haze
CH is according to icmag and thcfarmer a C99 knockoff and not Mex sativa x O Haze. I think the truth is closer to the first than the latter...

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A sister:
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It takes about 50 days to finish flowering which makes it a nice plant for testing purposes. The actual root space was less than 18oz. Above was a test with a bottle construction from a botany professor in Belgium concerned with desertification:
( https://desertification.wordpress.com search bottles, containers w/e )
 
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