Clone only strains

genuity

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sorry but NONE of those guys you listed are "PLANT BREEDERS" f1's are kinda bullshit in tomatoes and most plant breeders consider hybrid seed BULLSHIT.
once REAL AG breeders get involved the game will change . f7! is just the beginning in tomatoes and heirloom cukes.
f1 breeders are a JOKE . pick traits and find the parents that will make a f7 stable . if cherokee purple can take the inbreeding so can cannabis. tissue trading is frowned upon due to pests and bac/fungal infectinons present in the tissue.
That's what I'm talking about....that's why I like "f1" hybrid seeds...

I'm not about to wait,,yrs upon yrs for release of seeds....that is just nuts to me.

I don't get wanting traits that someone else "thinks" is the winner....

Fun fact:west coast GSC (in the box) is different than east coast GSC (in the box)
The real cookies,the ones the lil girls sell..

Same concept as the "GSC" clone only
 

Joedank

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you raise a great point here . but any breeder that love plants works with TONS of them IMO. not just one .
i am working Frank Mortons (an amazing plant breeder) f5 OSU blue tomato for high altitudes and all purple growth/ good flavor. those bright purple fruits came from a jungle strain and a regular cross . but at f5 Frank still consideres it a work in progreess . but access was given to growers at all levels of hybriddization. the result is a true blue tomatos packed with anthrocynins that shows its chosen traits 90% of the time .. (flavor was not a trait they bred for)
i know we are talking about clones but breeding seems to make the wolrd go round ...


That's what I'm talking about....that's why I like "f1" hybrid seeds...

I'm not about to wait,,yrs upon yrs for release of seeds....that is just nuts to me.

I don't get wanting traits that someone else "thinks" is the winner....

Fun fact:west coast GSC (in the box) is different than east coast GSC (in the box)
The real cookies,the ones the lil girls sell..

Same concept as the "GSC" clone only
 

kgp

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That's what I'm talking about....that's why I like "f1" hybrid seeds...

I'm not about to wait,,yrs upon yrs for release of seeds....that is just nuts to me.

I don't get wanting traits that someone else "thinks" is the winner....

Fun fact:west coast GSC (in the box) is different than east coast GSC (in the box)
The real cookies,the ones the lil girls sell..

Same concept as the "GSC" clone only
If the breeders were already working these lines they would be available right now. And a breeder spending many years to stabilize a strain or traits would have better knowledge of what a winner is. (I would hope)

Some like f1's because of the variety, that's cool, I guess.

Some like a specific tatse, or high.

I agree with @Joedank . When true breeders take on cannabis it will raise the bar. Imagine a breeder who works a haze, and has it stable. You can buy a pack and get a bomb ass haze in every seed. Sure you could pheno hunt to find what you consider the best and keep it as a mother. Or you could pop one seed and still find the taste and flavor your looking for. No redundant hunting.

Imagine a breeder who would look down all of the best varieties.

Og kush
Haze
Blueberry
Skunk
Chem
Sweet sativa
Indica kush
A grape strain
A mango
Jack herer
Etc..


There would be no need for a huge menu. Just the basics tried and true. Find what tatse you like and boom you got it. And if you loose it, all you have to do is buy another pack. It would also be great breeding stock for making true f1's if you wanted to be a hobbiest.
 

Joedank

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wow another true beliver:)I hope WE (clone lovers ) can become a seed pool unto ourselves . IE seed savers exchange. send seed not cut and work together for quick access and evaluation.. someday...

If the breeders were already working these lines they would be available right now. And a breeder spending many years to stabilize a strain or traits would have better knowledge of what a winner is. (I would hope)

Some like f1's because of the variety, that's cool, I guess.

Some like a specific tatse, or high.

I agree with @Joedank . When true breeders take on cannabis it will raise the bar. Imagine a breeder who works a haze, and has it stable. You can buy a pack and get a bomb ass haze in every seed. Sure you could pheno hunt to find what you consider the best and keep it as a mother. Or you could pop one seed and still find the taste and flavor your looking for. No redundant hunting.

Imagine a breeder who would look down all of the best varieties.

Og kush
Haze
Blueberry
Skunk
Chem
Sweet sativa
Indica kush
A grape strain
A mango
Jack herer
Etc..


There would be no need for a huge menu. Just the basics tried and true. Find what tatse you like and boom you got it. And if you loose it, all you have to do is buy another pack. It would also be great breeding stock for making true f1's if you wanted to be a hobbiest.
 

akhiymjames

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wow another true beliver:)I hope WE (clone lovers ) can become a seed pool unto ourselves . IE seed savers exchange. send seed not cut and work together for quick access and evaluation.. someday...
I agree with both you guys. Would be nice to see more breeders work the strains to more than just f1 but like kgp said lots of people like the f1 poly hybrid variety. The way your speaking would be a great way for the community to preserve good genetics and make certains better. Could see something like this happening once it become fully legal
 

Yodaweed

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Golden Goat is so much better than Durban poison it's not even a competition. Pretty sure Durban Poison isn't even a clone only you can get packs of stabilized seeds of it, yes it would be better for breeding but I don't give a fuck about breeding all I care about is taste and quality and in those 2 areas golden goat takes durb by a landslide its not even a close race its like a race between a fat kid with 1 leg and usain bolt.
 

Joedank

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Golden Goat is so much better than Durban poison it's not even a competition. Pretty sure Durban Poison isn't even a clone only you can get packs of stabilized seeds of it, yes it would be better for breeding but I don't give a fuck about breeding all I care about is taste and quality and in those 2 areas golden goat takes durb by a landslide its not even a close race its like a race between a fat kid with 1 leg and usain bolt.
yea lets see all your grows and breeding with the above strains and i would love a debate.
once you get over the yeild its not better than the ISS mommy that is around.
the packs of durban you get now are a little diffrent but good imo.
the one from colorado in the shops is from B.C in the 90's , that tastes like sweet tarts is good IT MOSTLY ABOUT THE THCV,.... NOW THE ISS MOMMY!! thats a cut i suggest you run it. the flavors are hard to put in words but better and easier to grow than GG... if you have i am sorry my opinion differs.
 

Dankfactory

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If the breeders were already working these lines they would be available right now. And a breeder spending many years to stabilize a strain or traits would have better knowledge of what a winner is. (I would hope)

Some like f1's because of the variety, that's cool, I guess.

Some like a specific tatse, or high.

I agree with @Joedank . When true breeders take on cannabis it will raise the bar. Imagine a breeder who works a haze, and has it stable. You can buy a pack and get a bomb ass haze in every seed. Sure you could pheno hunt to find what you consider the best and keep it as a mother. Or you could pop one seed and still find the taste and flavor your looking for. No redundant hunting.

Imagine a breeder who would look down all of the best varieties.

Og kush
Haze
Blueberry
Skunk
Chem
Sweet sativa
Indica kush
A grape strain
A mango
Jack herer
Etc..


There would be no need for a huge menu. Just the basics tried and true. Find what tatse you like and boom you got it. And if you loose it, all you have to do is buy another pack. It would also be great breeding stock for making true f1's if you wanted to be a hobbiest.
"Imagine if a breeder were to lock down the traits of OG?" They've been trying, unsuccessfully, for years dude

I live 30 minutes from the SFValley and have been rabidly acquiring as many OG clone only's as I can get my hands on for years now. We actually have a little crew going with this exact mission. I know these cuts very well and off the top of my head, I personally have about a dozen OG clone only's. One thing about these cuts I feel must be said: there's only a couple that truly have that trademark taste and flavor. It's well known that in general, OG's yields are moderate because of the trademark stretch. For this reason, I've spent years messing around with some of these so called "OG" seeds crosses in an effort to improve on yield. I've tried all kinds of offerings from RareDankness, Rascal, Gage, and RPrivada. None of these hybrids were even close to the real thing. I'm not saying it's not possible to capture some decent representative traits, but after all these years experimenting with beans from breeders who have tried to lock down these traits, none have been found worthy. I've since switched to DWC and longer veg times to improve yield and am done with the pointless task of seed pheno hunting. Not to sound pompous, but if you think you have a true example of OG, and it came from seed, well Au Contrair, Monfrair.
Take a road trip to CA sometime if you truly want the real deal.

In regard to the other strains in your list: theyre doing some interesting work over at the Mag(Cringe) on Skunk.
All the others on that list are easily found in seed form. DJ for example.
 
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akhiymjames

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"Imagine if a breeder were to lock down the traits of OG?" They've been trying, unsuccessfully, for years dude

I live 30 minutes from the SFValley and have been rabidly acquiring as many OG clone only's as I can get my hands on for years now. We actually have a little crew going with this exact mission. I know these cuts very well and off the top of my head, I personally have about a dozen OG clone only's. One thing about these cuts I feel must be said: there's only a couple that truly have that trademark taste and flavor. It's well known that in general, OG's yields are moderate because of the trademark stretch. For this reason, I've spent years messing around with some of these so called "OG" seeds crosses in an effort to improve on yield. I've tried all kinds of offerings from RareDankness, Rascal, Gage, and RPrivada. None of these hybrids were even close to the real thing. I'm not saying it's not possible to capture some decent representative traits, but after all these years experimenting with beans from breeders who have tried to lock down these traits, none have been found worthy. I've since switched to DWC and longer veg times to improve yield and am done with the pointless task of seed pheno hunting. Not to sound pompous, but if you think you have a true example of OG, and it came from seed, well Au Contrair, Monfrair.
Take a road trip to CA sometime if you truly want the real deal.

In regard to the other strains in your list: theyre doing some interesting work over at the Mag(Cringe) on Skunk.
All the others on that list are easily found in seed form. DJ for example.
You are right and kgp knows that OG is not good for breeding really. Once bred it's hard to recapture that same taste. Tbh tho most of these breeders that put OG into seed form aren't locking the OG traits down and when breeding with a polyhybrid f1 male that's not gonna help either. All that does is add more genes into the pool which makes it harder to find a pheno that is close to OG. I believe it can be done tho with the right IBL male that lets the mom shine through. It will take years of breeding to make it happen but I believe it can be done. I agree there's nothing like the real deal clone only. Would love to see that brought out in seed form there's been some good representations but none compare to real deal
 

Yodaweed

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yea lets see all your grows and breeding with the above strains and i would love a debate.
once you get over the yeild its not better than the ISS mommy that is around.
the packs of durban you get now are a little diffrent but good imo.
the one from colorado in the shops is from B.C in the 90's , that tastes like sweet tarts is good IT MOSTLY ABOUT THE THCV,.... NOW THE ISS MOMMY!! thats a cut i suggest you run it. the flavors are hard to put in words but better and easier to grow than GG... if you have i am sorry my opinion differs.
I been growing golden goat for 2 years, and I live in Colorado and have access to elite cuts. Durban Poison is not an elite cut, it's a landrace from Africa you can get seeds of. Golden Goat tastes so much better than island sweet skunk and grows differently than ISS, ISS is more sativa and stretches much more. My golden goat is the best yielding plant I have (second is gorilla glue but it's more stretchy and doesn't taste as good), it produces huge resinous buds , that's why it is a clone only , because numerious features of it are very elite like smell, yield , potency, structure, the only negative I can think is that golden goat is temperamental and can go hermie but that's why you control your environment. This cut I have was tested at 31% THC by Cannlabs .
 

Joedank

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sorry for all the venom this morning ... smoked some hash an feelbad .... all those guys are breeders and good ones we just need more dom/ ressive mapping and it s hard and i dont have time right now , jus wanna be lazy an surf the web not really work / rip on others real work...
sorry jeff, scottand gage no offence ment....;(
 

Yodaweed

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I was thinking about making some F1's from my golden goat and gorilla glue , got a pack of moonshine haze and a pack of sinmint cookies if I get a good male from those packs I'm going to hit all my females with pollen. I wonder what kind of variation I will see in those plants I bet golden goat would give a lot of hermie offspring but could have some keepers. I wouldn't consider golden goat good breeding stock since in my opinion the genetics are unstable and untested.
 

kgp

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"Imagine if a breeder were to lock down the traits of OG?" They've been trying, unsuccessfully, for years dude

I live 30 minutes from the SFValley and have been rabidly acquiring as many OG clone only's as I can get my hands on for years now. We actually have a little crew going with this exact mission. I know these cuts very well and off the top of my head, I personally have about a dozen OG clone only's. One thing about these cuts I feel must be said: there's only a couple that truly have that trademark taste and flavor. It's well known that in general, OG's yields are moderate because of the trademark stretch. For this reason, I've spent years messing around with some of these so called "OG" seeds crosses in an effort to improve on yield. I've tried all kinds of offerings from RareDankness, Rascal, Gage, and RPrivada. None of these hybrids were even close to the real thing. I'm not saying it's not possible to capture some decent representative traits, but after all these years experimenting with beans from breeders who have tried to lock down these traits, none have been found worthy. I've since switched to DWC and longer veg times to improve yield and am done with the pointless task of seed pheno hunting. Not to sound pompous, but if you think you have a true example of OG, and it came from seed, well Au Contrair, Monfrair.
Take a road trip to CA sometime if you truly want the real deal.

In regard to the other strains in your list: theyre doing some interesting work over at the Mag(Cringe) on Skunk.
All the others on that list are easily found in seed form. DJ for example.
I totally agree with you. Just like you, I've tried many of the seeds you mentioned and like you, I was too dissapointed.

Which leads me back to the point of actually breeding. Not hitting your male to an og and calling it a wrap. I have been thinking of options. Although as a hobbiest things will take much more time. I did find a nice og plant in a pack of ggg charity, and a couple in a pack of retired docs og. And this is athe place I might start. don't get my words twisted, they did not compare to a real og, but many of the traits were passed.

The line needs to be worked. If I can find a nice male and cross it to my sfv cut, or ghost. Grow both males and females, and select og Dom phenos to further work the line. To an f7 like joe said. Maybe even multiple back crosses. There is still possibility that we can lock it down. It might be a lot of work and many years. But right now, I have time.

Maybe even do what loompa is doing and hand out (not sell like he does) some of these crosses to growers and members of he community. And ask that if you find a good plant, that a cutting be sent back. I could then flower it and judge it for myself and possibly use these as selections for creating an IBL on og.

If I recall, I don't remember anyone offering a worked or inbred line of og, and maybe that is the problem.

Is it too much work, or a lost cause? Idk. But man it sure sounds like fun regardless.

My resources are limited but I do have two og's that I consider pure. Ghost and SFV (not that cali connection shit) They both have that og funk that everyone who's smoked real og knows from a mile away.

If my personal growing ass may try and take something like this up, who is to say that a person with just as much passion but a lot more space wouldn't or isn't doing the same. I would gladly grow some og f4's and judge them, and/or send a cut back to the breeder to further the ibl.

There is a possibility that one could accomplish something like this, some day.

And to answer your remark about if I have an og from seed, take a trip to California for the real thing. I do have the real deal, my friend. Although i didn't grow it from seed.. Someone did. Because every plant was a seed at sometime.
 

King Arthur

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I am down to work some lines, I just need to figure out what ones I wanna do. I love all kinds of different flavors and effects that it has always been in my way when it comes to doing just one strain. I think that Sannie does a great job with his lines but the potency isn't as much as some of the strains here. Which is why I was using some jackberry pollen to the headband and hoping that I can start something magical out of that.
 

Yodaweed

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I totally agree with you. Just like you, I've tried many of the seeds you mentioned and like you, I was too dissapointed.

Which leads me back to the point of actually breeding. Not hitting your male to an og and calling it a wrap. I have been thinking of options. Although as a hobbiest things will take much more time. I did find a nice og plant in a pack of ggg charity, and a couple in a pack of retired docs og. And this is athe place I might start. don't get my words twisted, they did not compare to a real og, but many of the traits were passed.

The line needs to be worked. If I can find a nice male and cross it to my sfv cut, or ghost. Grow both males and females, and select og Dom phenos to further work the line. To an f7 like joe said. Maybe even multiple back crosses. There is still possibility that we can lock it down. It might be a lot of work and many years. But right now, I have time.

Maybe even do what loompa is doing and hand out (not sell like he does) some of these crosses to growers and members of he community. And ask that if you find a good plant, that a cutting be sent back. I could then flower it and judge it for myself and possibly use these as selections for creating an IBL on og.

If I recall, I don't remember anyone offering a worked or inbred line of og, and maybe that is the problem.

Is it too much work, or a lost cause? Idk. But man it sure sounds like fun regardless.

My resources are limited but I do have two og's that I consider pure. Ghost and SFV (not that cali connection shit) They both have that og funk that everyone who's smoked real og knows from a mile away.

If my personal growing ass may try and take something like this up, who is to say that a person with just as much passion but a lot more space wouldn't or isn't doing the same. I would gladly grow some og f4's and judge them, and/or send a cut back to the breeder to further the ibl.

There is a possibility that one could accomplish something like this, some day.

And to answer your remark about if I have an og from seed, take a trip to California for the real thing. I do have the real deal, my friend. Although i didn't grow it from seed.. Someone did. Because every plant was a seed at sometime.
That is the whole problem, is the space and time worth the effort and money you will be putting in to crossing back and forth these genetics? It's going to take years to do and a shit load of effort before you get to F7's. There is going to be a huge process of popping seeds to get the best breeding stock. We need a real breeder someone who only does this to take the time to do it.For people that grow from home as a hobby it's not worth it to us.
 

genuity

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So,in another 20 yrs....we may be closer to og in seed?

Just going off,what some post on these forums..

One would have to plant 1000+ seeds...find males,hit them to the female you pick...grow them out(1000+)? At a time,all while keeping notes,cuts of all males,and females..

All of this is just one cross^^^

I would love to see it happen.
 

kgp

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So,in another 20 yrs....we may be closer to og in seed?

Just going off,what some post on these forums..

One would have to plant 1000+ seeds...find males,hit them to the female you pick...grow them out(1000+)? At a time,all while keeping notes,cuts of all males,and females..

All of this is just one cross^^^

I would love to see it happen.
Lol, maybe. You wouldn't have to have 1000 seeds to select. Maybe to do it correctly. If you could get to f2 with and find a decent representation in a hundred or two. Then you just spend more time working and less time selecting.

An f3 line, selected out of 1000+ VS a f7 line selected out of 100. I guess it all depends on the genetics and how true you can get them to breed.
 

akhiymjames

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Lol, maybe. You wouldn't have to have 1000 seeds to select. Maybe to do it correctly. If you could get to f2 with and find a decent representation in a hundred or two. Then you just spend more time working and less time selecting.

An f3 line, selected out of 1000+ VS a f7 line selected out of 100. I guess it all depends on the genetics and how true you can get them to breed.
It can be done with way less seeds. There's a formula I saw reading about furthering lines and if you can get the best representations if can be done with less than 50 seeds per generation. I would love to see someone work OG to seed form tho
 
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