Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

[dragongrower]

I'm not stinkbud but I know your panda timer will not work with 50 seconds on and 40 minutes off. Did you mean 4 minutes off? I run 1 minute on 4 minutes off. That's the norm. Your roots may dry out if they wait for 40 minutes.

I didn't mean 40 minutes off, just that the timer repeats every 40 minutes... I would probably go with 1min 40 secs on and 5 minutes off... My question is will this timer work, it's a lot cheaper than buying the ones that cost $80...

 

[joespit]

Yeah 1.40 on/5 off will work

 

[StinkBud]

Hey StinkBud, I'm going to be building my first aero system here real soon, been a soil grower for a couple of years and am ready to move to the big leagues, lol. I am going to have a system very similar to yours. I already have an aero-cloner that I built. I will be going straight from clone to flowering. My flowering tent will be four posts, each one with 3 sites, each site 3" net pot instead of 2". Each rack will support 2 posts, and each rack will be supplied water and nutes from a different reservoir. So 2 completely independent systems. 1 for early flowering and 1 for final flowering, that way I can run to different sets of ppms... I haven't completely decided on a strain yet, but I currently have some ak48, mobydick, bluedream, and kali mist. My setup will be 3 plants every 2 weeks. The questions that I have are as follows: How much do you think I can realistically expect to harvest every 2 weeks? What ppms should I run my systems at, early flower and late flower? As far as the timing goes with the sprayers, would a heavy duty Panda Timer work for this, these have 50sec intervals repeated every 40mins? Any other information that you could give me would be great...

Your shit is on point, inspiration to us all...!

Good questions bro! You have many things to consider when talking about harvest amount. Genetics is one of the most important aspects. Some strains are huge producers. I once had a strain called SnowBud (Akorn). It would consistently produce 3-4oz. per plant. In the same rack every other strain would produce around 2oz. That was going into flower at 12" high. I was also running 3-1000w lights and CO2! At that grow I had 7 plants per post for a total of 14 per rack. Harvest was 20-27oz. every three weeks. Why the difference in harvest amounts. Genetics...The more SnowBud I grew, the bigger my harvest. I once grew a couple of Sour Diesel in one of my Aero/DWC units that produced 20oz.

You can harvest even more per plant if you veg them longer. I have one rack right now with just 4 plants. It's completely filled up and I imagine it will produce about the same final weight as the other rack with 7 plants. The longer you veg, the bigger your plants.. The bigger your plants, the bigger your harvest. Make sense? So even though your really need more light you can make up for it by letting the plants get huge. Train the fuck out of them until you get a massive canopy of goodness.

So with 3 plants and an LED you could expect about 1-2oz per plant if you go straight from clone to flower. If you let them veg longer you could expect more around 3-4oz. per plant. Now if you let them veg for a shit load of time and go out and buy a used HPS light you could harvest 6-8oz plants. Of course all this is strain dependent.


I bought 2 complete 1000W HPS lights used on Craig's List for $200. Light is right bro, trust me on this...

 

[StinkBud]

I'm not stinkbud but I know your panda timer will not work with 50 seconds on and 40 minutes off. Did you mean 4 minutes off? I run 1 minute on 4 minutes off. That's the norm. Your roots may dry out if they wait for 40 minutes.

I agree with Sky on this. 1 on 4 off is great. My mentor taught me 1 on 5 off many years ago and that seemed to work fine. One time I burnt out my timer and I had to run my pumps on another timer 3 on and 12 off and you know what. That worked too. One time I tried 15 on and 15 off and the water got a little too warm. Kind of like Goldilocks and the Three Stoners. Which by the way would be a great fucking movie!

So why my vote for 1 on 4 off? Because you can buy those cheap CAP timers with no knobs. Those fucking knobs suck!!! I fucking hate those fucking things! In grow #1 I have the CAP time with the knobs. I've must of hit those fuckers a million times. In the other grow I use the stoner fuckupproof. And the forget to plug it back in when I change the res...

 

[StinkBud]

Oregon Special Update
Two words...Sticky and Stinky...
So one of the strains in this batch is really starting to smell exactly like Blueberry Muffins. I shit you not! That sweet blueberry smell with the spicey muffin undertones. It's ultra sticky but not as dense as I'd like. It's still going strong though so I'm going to let it finish. Some of the strains are still pushing out lots of white hairs. Every little push thickens the buds. The Kosher Kush is looking dank as fuck but not a big producer. It's the classic small dense nug structure that does better if you top/train it.
I just changed the res for the last time. I'm running the nutes pretty low right now, around 800 PPM. I'm not adding any more, just water. Some of the strains are starting to turn colors and finish up. I have one Blue Cheesd/Kandy Kush cross that is turning purple. I have another that is turning red/yellow. Here is a photo of the tent. Enjoy!

 

[WeedFreak78]

So why my vote for 1 on 4 off? Because you can buy those cheap CAP timers with no knobs. Those fucking knobs suck!!! I fucking hate those fucking things! In grow #1 I have the CAP time with the knobs. I've must of hit those fuckers a million times. In the other grow I use the stoner fuckupproof. And the forget to plug it back in when I change the res...

I just went to get a recyc . timer..my guy said CAP went out of business..or they stopped making the recyc. timers..i have'nt had a chance to look into it..but i bought one with knobs...maybe I'll just superglue the knobs once i get it set..always something..

 

[dragongrower]

Good questions bro! You have many things to consider when talking about harvest amount. Genetics is one of the most important aspects. Some strains are huge producers. I once had a strain called SnowBud (Akorn). It would consistently produce 3-4oz. per plant. In the same rack every other strain would produce around 2oz. That was going into flower at 12" high. I was also running 3-1000w lights and CO2! At that grow I had 7 plants per post for a total of 14 per rack. Harvest was 20-27oz. every three weeks. Why the difference in harvest amounts. Genetics...The more SnowBud I grew, the bigger my harvest. I once grew a couple of Sour Diesel in one of my Aero/DWC units that produced 20oz.

You can harvest even more per plant if you veg them longer. I have one rack right now with just 4 plants. It's completely filled up and I imagine it will produce about the same final weight as the other rack with 7 plants. The longer you veg, the bigger your plants.. The bigger your plants, the bigger your harvest. Make sense? So even though your really need more light you can make up for it by letting the plants get huge. Train the fuck out of them until you get a massive canopy of goodness.

So with 3 plants and an LED you could expect about 1-2oz per plant if you go straight from clone to flower. If you let them veg longer you could expect more around 3-4oz. per plant. Now if you let them veg for a shit load of time and go out and buy a used HPS light you could harvest 6-8oz plants. Of course all this is strain dependent.


I bought 2 complete 1000W HPS lights used on Craig's List for $200. Light is right bro, trust me on this...

So what would be your suggestion as far as what strain to run for clone to flower SOG style? I know what you mean by longer veg time being where its at. The bluedream that I vegged for about 2 months produced a little over a pound under my LED light, which is fricking awesome, but it just takes a really long time to get harvest that way, especially since I don't really have the space or money to support a vegging chamber... They would have to be vegged in my flowering tent, so everything would be put on at least a 4 month cycle. Eventually once I buy a house and not rent anymore, I will have separate tents for cloning, vegging, and flowering. Its a lot of money to get all the crap I need. Good LED lights are expensive, lol. I used to use a 600 HPS, but heat was always a problem, 85-95 degree swings with good venting. LED is where the future is at, less heat, more usable light, better trich production, & cheaper electric. But yeah, you gotta cough up almost 10x the price of HPS for good ones.

Honestly I would be happy harvesting 3-6 ounces every two weeks, thats 1200 to 2400 in cash if I decided to sell for 200 an oz, which is really cheap around here, your talking 350-400 for high grade stuff usually, so it would fly off the shelves. I don't really smoke that much anymore because of random testing at work, but I do know a bunch of people that use it for medicinal applications. Hell, the president of Norml lives right down the street from me, lol...

On another note, what would you suggest as far as a nutrient cycle for clone to flowering? Something that isn't insanely expensive, but decent stuff to use with the sprayers?

 

[sky rocket]

I just went to get a recyc . timer..my guy said CAP went out of business..or they stopped making the recyc. timers..i have'nt had a chance to look into it..but i bought one with knobs...maybe I'll just superglue the knobs once i get it set..always something..

Google "titan cycle timers."

 

[sky rocket]

 

[WeedFreak78]

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NICE! I picked up one of their fan controllers..love it..guess I'm spending more $$..maybe i can get my shop to swap it out ..

 

[StinkBud]

Google "titan cycle timers."

Again, SkyRocket is on the ball. That's the exact same timer I have. I didn't even realize it wasn't a CAP. My CAP timer is from 2007 and it still works! Anyway the timer Sky pictured is the one you want and it's cheap.

 

[StinkBud]

So what would be your suggestion as far as what strain to run for clone to flower SOG style? I know what you mean by longer veg time being where its at. The bluedream that I vegged for about 2 months produced a little over a pound under my LED light, which is fricking awesome, but it just takes a really long time to get harvest that way, especially since I don't really have the space or money to support a vegging chamber... They would have to be vegged in my flowering tent, so everything would be put on at least a 4 month cycle. Eventually once I buy a house and not rent anymore, I will have separate tents for cloning, vegging, and flowering. Its a lot of money to get all the crap I need. Good LED lights are expensive, lol. I used to use a 600 HPS, but heat was always a problem, 85-95 degree swings with good venting. LED is where the future is at, less heat, more usable light, better trich production, & cheaper electric. But yeah, you gotta cough up almost 10x the price of HPS for good ones.

Honestly I would be happy harvesting 3-6 ounces every two weeks, thats 1200 to 2400 in cash if I decided to sell for 200 an oz, which is really cheap around here, your talking 350-400 for high grade stuff usually, so it would fly off the shelves. I don't really smoke that much anymore because of random testing at work, but I do know a bunch of people that use it for medicinal applications. Hell, the president of Norml lives right down the street from me, lol...

On another note, what would you suggest as far as a nutrient cycle for clone to flowering? Something that isn't insanely expensive, but decent stuff to use with the sprayers?

I agree that LEDs are the future. Right now it's still like when LCD/LED TVs came out. They were expensive and only Bill Gates could afford them. Eventually LEDs will be everywhere and cheap. Someday LEDs will become self-aware and take over the world. We will all become slaves to the LED. Now that would be a great fucking movie!

StinkBud's top 5 strains:
1) Kandy Kush - The combo of Trainwreck and OG Kush make this a winner
2) Blue Cheese - Blueberrry and UK Cheese, set aside a place on the couch for your ass.
3) Kosher Kush - 3X High Times Cannabis Cup winner, nuff said.
4) Blueberry - There's a reason it's been around since the 70's. Everyone needs to grow Blueberry at least once in their life.
5) Tahoe OG - Think peachy, mango OG Kush. Golf ball sized nugs that make you go stand in the corner of your room till you learn to behave.

 

[HydroGrowLover]

I agree that LEDs are the future. Right now it's still like when LCD/LED TVs came out. They were expensive and only Bill Gates could afford them. Eventually LED will be everywhere and cheap. Someday LED will become self-aware and take over the world. We will all become slaves to the LED. Now that would be a great fucking movie!

StinkBud's top 5 strains:
1) Kandy Kush - The combo of Trainwreck and OG Kush make this a winner
2) Blue Cheese - Blueberrry and UK Cheese, set aside a place on the couch for your ass.
3) Kosher Kush - 3X High Times Cannabis Cup winner, nuff said.
4) Blueberry - There's a reason it's been around since the 70's. Everyone needs to grow Blueberry at least once in their life.
5) Tahoe OG - Think peachy, mango OG Kush. Golf ball sized nugs that make you go stand in the corner of your room till you learn to behave.

Are these all strains you breed yourself or can we get them from attitude or herbies?

I want... I want to behave ;-P

yum

 

[dragongrower]

I agree that LEDs are the future. Right now it's still like when LCD/LED TVs came out. They were expensive and only Bill Gates could afford them. Eventually LEDs will be everywhere and cheap. Someday LEDs will become self-aware and take over the world. We will all become slaves to the LED. Now that would be a great fucking movie!

StinkBud's top 5 strains:
1) Kandy Kush - The combo of Trainwreck and OG Kush make this a winner
2) Blue Cheese - Blueberrry and UK Cheese, set aside a place on the couch for your ass.
3) Kosher Kush - 3X High Times Cannabis Cup winner, nuff said.
4) Blueberry - There's a reason it's been around since the 70's. Everyone needs to grow Blueberry at least once in their life.
5) Tahoe OG - Think peachy, mango OG Kush. Golf ball sized nugs that make you go stand in the corner of your room till you learn to behave.

Are these all great for sea of green growing, or just growing in general? Looking for something that only really produces one main stalk with little side branching, but maybe I'm going about this all wrong...lol

 

[StinkBud]

Are these all great for sea of green growing, or just growing in general? Looking for something that only really produces one main stalk with little side branching, but maybe I'm going about this all wrong...lol

First I forget to tell you that there is really no order to the list. Every strain has it's own merits. The fact is there are a lot better clone only strains out there right now. I didn't want to go out and suggest a bunch of shit you can only dream about. Everything on the list are seeds you can buy right now.

I buy my seeds from Attitude Seed Bank. If you know a better place that's cool. Oh yea, only buy DJ Short Blueberry seeds, he's the real deal. You have to sex the Blueberry first before you can put it in the rack. What I do when I'm growing normal seeds is to start them in dirt until I can take clones. As soon as I can get a few cutting I'll take the plant into flower and see what it is. If it's male I take it out of the room and put it in another part of the house. Then I collect the pollen and use it to make seeds. I have a bunch of Tahoe OG pollen right now. Enough to make a few thousand seeds!

Remember, people don't say, "I'd like to smoke a plant without much side braching". Everyone wants the dank bud! Trust me on this bro, it's all about the genetics. After all these years, growing is a non-issue for me. I'm all about creating the new OG Kush, Girl Scout Cookies, etc... There's always the latest and greatest right around the corner. I'm still trying to create my masterpiece. Something that will out live me. I'll pass it on like Johnny Appleseed. Maybe the Blueberry Muffin will be the big hit?

What's the best bud in the world right now? OG Kush SFV cutting. (San Fernando Valley) So here's a true story. One of the StinkBuddies was telling me about this strain called OG Kush. He said everyone raved about it and at one time cuttings were going for $14,000 each. I shit you not! So anyway when I was down in Cali I stopped in to check things out and smoke a little OG Kush. OMG it completely blew away anything I had ever tasted before. Not only did it taste better than anything, it knocked me out big time. Super heavy stone! Facing numbing stone. One hit shit! So I took a couple of cuttings with me and sure enough it was insane! Every single person that smoked it said it was the best bud they had ever smoked. The closest seed strains are, Kosher Kush and Holy Grail Kush but the truth is there is no substitute for the real thing. If you can get the cutting, do it now!

The Kandy Kush has a little OG flavor but more sweet instead of sour. I tried a couple of different seeds and they were both different. The first one required almost no trimming and looked more like Trainwreck. The second one was more like the OG Kush. That's the plant I bred with the Blue Cheese plant. Kandy Kush would be good for a SOG setup. Especially if you get more of a Trainwreck pheno.

 

[Flipisruff]

And... my first puff was an OG Kush. This sucks. It's like eating filet mignon as my first beef tasting. I think I'm spoiled now

 

[Flipisruff]

So what would be your suggestion as far as what strain to run for clone to flower SOG style? I know what you mean by longer veg time being where its at. The bluedream that I vegged for about 2 months produced a little over a pound under my LED light, which is fricking awesome, but it just takes a really long time to get harvest that way, especially since I don't really have the space or money to support a vegging chamber... They would have to be vegged in my flowering tent, so everything would be put on at least a 4 month cycle. Eventually once I buy a house and not rent anymore, I will have separate tents for cloning, vegging, and flowering. Its a lot of money to get all the crap I need. Good LED lights are expensive, lol. I used to use a 600 HPS, but heat was always a problem, 85-95 degree swings with good venting. LED is where the future is at, less heat, more usable light, better trich production, & cheaper electric. But yeah, you gotta cough up almost 10x the price of HPS for good ones.

Honestly I would be happy harvesting 3-6 ounces every two weeks, thats 1200 to 2400 in cash if I decided to sell for 200 an oz, which is really cheap around here, your talking 350-400 for high grade stuff usually, so it would fly off the shelves. I don't really smoke that much anymore because of random testing at work, but I do know a bunch of people that use it for medicinal applications. Hell, the president of Norml lives right down the street from me, lol...

On another note, what would you suggest as far as a nutrient cycle for clone to flowering? Something that isn't insanely expensive, but decent stuff to use with the sprayers?

Where's this place where an ounce goes for 300-400?

 

[dragongrower]

Northeast Ohio... I got almost 6 pounds off of two outdoor plants last summer, I made about 15K off of 4 pounds that I let go, and it was gone in like a week, lol... One of my buddies won't sell it for less than 350, and he never complains about not being able to get rid of it. It's crazy here sometimes...

 

[dragongrower]

I buy my seeds from Attitude Seed Bank. If you know a better place that's cool.

I get all my seeds from the single seed center, worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com...They have a great selection from just about every seed bank out there and they ship anywhere, plus you get a couple free seeds with every order. I have bought from them multiple times and never had an issue. One time my landlord stole the seeds when they came in the mail, I emailed the company and let them know I never got them, they just sent them again. As long as you give them your correct address, they have an arrival guarantee...

 

[WeedFreak78]

I buy my seeds from Attitude Seed Bank. If you know a better place that's cool. Oh yea, only buy DJ Short Blueberry seeds, he's the real deal. You have to sex the Blueberry first before you can put it in the rack. What I do when I'm growing normal seeds is to start them in dirt until I can take clones. As soon as I can get a few cutting I'll take the plant into flower and see what it is. If it's male I take it out of the room and put it in another part of the house. Then I collect the pollen and use it to make seeds. I have a bunch of Tahoe OG pollen right now. Enough to make a few thousand seeds!

Any experience with dutch passions blueberry? Comparisons to DJ's? I just started that and a Barney's vanilla kush to mother to feed the system, had a LSD but it never popped... Also getting some WW cuts sometime in the next month...gonna be a good year i think