Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

[Jason9922]

HB I'm having some issues, I'm currently running in soil as I've moved again and my room is far from done. Lots of electrical to run still. Anyways, I have been able to keep 2 cloned mother plants (pink kush and chemdawg) and one from seed (pineapple chunk) and no matter what I do I'm getting these weird problems. The chemdawg leaves are leathery and almost have a blue tint in the middle, the pineapple chunk out of nowhere leaves will just get brown ends, idk heres some pics below. I've used same dyna gro protect mix with PH adjusted to 5.8 - 6.2 in water before feeding. Any ideas?

 

[homebrewer]

will I need cal mag with that 1/3 grow 2/3 bloom ratio.anything else I should add,thanx bro!!

Calmag is not needed. Preferably with any plant food you're going to want to use very clean water, something like RO or distilled for your best results.

 

[homebrewer]

HB I'm having some issues, I'm currently running in soil as I've moved again and my room is far from done. Lots of electrical to run still. Anyways, I have been able to keep 2 cloned mother plants (pink kush and chemdawg) and one from seed (pineapple chunk) and no matter what I do I'm getting these weird problems. The chemdawg leaves are leathery and almost have a blue tint in the middle, the pineapple chunk out of nowhere leaves will just get brown ends, idk heres some pics below. I've used same dyna gro protect mix with PH adjusted to 5.8 - 6.2 in water before feeding. Any ideas?

What are you feeding them and what is your dosage (mls/gal)? What is your medium? RO water or tap? If tap, what it the EC/ppm of your tap water?

 

[Jason9922]

What are you feeding them and what is your dosage (mls/gal)? What is your medium? RO water or tap? If tap, what it the EC/ppm of your tap water?

Please remember, I just moved, AGAIN, so all of my nutrient supplies are buried except one box I could easily get to. So I've been feeding them what was leftover from a three part PH perfect AN 1/2 tspn of each per gallon (1/2 tspn of Grow, Micro, & Bloom which is a half dose bottle called for full tspn) and a half tspn of Pro Tekt per gallon mixed together with Tap water giving me a PH of 6.8 - 7.3 which I then lower to 5.6 - 5.8. My ppm gauge is buried with the rest of all my Dyna Gro nutrients & this is all I have to work with forprobably 1 more week until they get here. So how bad you thinking specially since I've been hydro feeding soil (because the only soil I ever grew in was outdoors, hydro indoors only until now). The plants are in sterilized potting soil using home made air pots because I was planning to eventually possiblly do a soil rinse and transfer them to buckets with hydroton before vegging them. Yeah I know sounds crazy, but dude ever since I started using Pro Tekt it seems like it makes the plants impermiable to stress and they can take some crazy stuff as compared to without. Otherwise I'll just move them to bigger containers until I can clip a flat of clones and start out fresh with a flat.

 

[homebrewer]

Please remember, I just moved, AGAIN, so all of my nutrient supplies are buried except one box I could easily get to. So I've been feeding them what was leftover from a three part PH perfect AN 1/2 tspn of each per gallon (1/2 tspn of Grow, Micro, & Bloom which is a half dose bottle called for full tspn) and a half tspn of Pro Tekt per gallon mixed together with Tap water giving me a PH of 6.8 - 7.3 which I then lower to 5.6 - 5.8. My ppm gauge is buried with the rest of all my Dyna Gro nutrients & this is all I have to work with forprobably 1 more week until they get here. So how bad you thinking specially since I've been hydro feeding soil (because the only soil I ever grew in was outdoors, hydro indoors only until now). The plants are in sterilized potting soil using home made air pots because I was planning to eventually possiblly do a soil rinse and transfer them to buckets with hydroton before vegging them. Yeah I know sounds crazy, but dude ever since I started using Pro Tekt it seems like it makes the plants impermiable to stress and they can take some crazy stuff as compared to without. Otherwise I'll just move them to bigger containers until I can clip a flat of clones and start out fresh with a flat.

Using hydroponic foods in a promix-type medium is totally fine. I don't know exactly what your issue is but I'd be interested in knowing more about your tap water. If your tap water isn't great then the 'best' plant food in the world isn't going to be of much use to you.

 

[Jason9922]

The tap water is good but has a high PH to start along with significant chlorine. I don't have any scientific info on the water at this place yet but I've been buying and feeding them with distilled water only using the tap rarely.

 

[Hereseed]

Single best thread on this site! I've read through it twice now in as many months and felt compelled to say , Homebrewer, the manner and professionalism in which this experiment was conducted , coupled with the focus of the comments and replies ,are on a level the likes of which are a rare find on forum sites these days! Thank you for your efforts and willingness to share. May your future be as green as your thumb!

 

[homebrewer]

Single best thread on this site! I've read through it twice now in as many months and felt compelled to say , Homebrewer, the manner and professionalism in which this experiment was conducted , coupled with the focus of the comments and replies ,are on a level the likes of which are a rare find on forum sites these days! Thank you for your efforts and willingness to share. May your future be as green as your thumb!

Thanks for the kinds words!

 

[Theophilus]

I'm kind of digging the Canna suggestion. I don't know a lot about their base nutrients, what Canna base do people use in their hydro systems?

Either Canna or even Nectar of the God's would be interesting to follow

 

[Theophilus]

It's a dry food so the NPK values are going to be higher (Jacks Classic is 20-20-20).

Speaking of Jack's, would you recommend their Citrus blend over their more 'all-purpose' 20-20-20?

 

[homebrewer]

Speaking of Jack's, would you recommend their Citrus blend over their more 'all-purpose' 20-20-20?

Yeah, I think that citrus blend is a 20-10-20 which is more in line with what plants actually use.

 

[Hortipro]

I use the 7-9-5 grow along with the 3-12-6 Bloom and when mixed together, I can achieve very close to a 1-3-2 ratio. Because I use RO water, I use Magpro in hydro and have not had any issues with deficiencies at all. In dirt however, I usually feed, feed, water and on my 'water' days, I'll mix in about 3mls per gallon of calmag because RO is not ideal with my peat-based soil-less mix. DynaGro for me has been a very trouble free nutrient to use in both dirt and hydro.

Hey, I'm not an AN fan boy or beginner grower, got that out of the way. I have used dyna gro, botanicare, fox farm, AN, earth juice and more. Out of all that I have used I prefer AN. Not because it destroys the competition as far as quality goes (I care about taste, fragrance, and resin production more than net yield). I prefer it because I have had pH issues with all other brands including dyna gro. First off with dyna gro after I mix a batch I have to add a shit ton of pH up because the stuff is so acid and with RO water there is nothing to counter act that from the start and the pH will drop dramatically over a period of 12 hours after adding pH up so I have to add more pH up. This cycle continues for about 3 days until the pH finally stabilizes and I've added alarming levels of pH up to my reservoir. pH up is usually potassium hydroxide meaning that I am adding extra plant available potassium just to stabilize my pH. That means my NPK ratios will be incorrect if I don't account for the pH up. And since most pH ups on the market don't label or are not required to label the concentration of the formula, this is hard to do. I have had similar problems with other lines as well. I like AN because it works and I use very little pH up or down (so I'm not indroducing a lot of unknown quantities of plant available nutrients like phosphoric acid aka ph down will increase phosphorus levels). Using less pH stabilizers also reduces my total grow cost so it helps offset the higher cost of AN nutrients. There are more to nutrients than just net yield. Ease of use and batch consistency are important to me so I use AN. AN is also THE ONLY nutrient company that supports cannabis growers. Try calling any other brands support line with questions about cannabis and they will hang up on you.

 

[Hortipro]

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Reduce your solution ppm or feed less often. Your plants look like they have nutrient lockout. When using hydroponic nutes in soil you must use way less concentration or feed less because soil will 'hold on' to those salts for longer than inert mediums. That means the ppm at the roots could be much higher than the ppm of your feed solution.

 

[Hortipro]

View attachment 3480721 View attachment 3480716 View attachment 3480717 View attachment 3480716 View attachment 3480717 View attachment 3480718 View attachment 3480719 View attachment 3480720 View attachment 3480721 HB I'm having some issues, I'm currently running in soil as I've moved again and my room is far from done. Lots of electrical to run still. Anyways, I have been able to keep 2 cloned mother plants (pink kush and chemdawg) and one from seed (pineapple chunk) and no matter what I do I'm getting these weird problems. The chemdawg leaves are leathery and almost have a blue tint in the middle, the pineapple chunk out of nowhere leaves will just get brown ends, idk heres some pics below. I've used same dyna gro protect mix with PH adjusted to 5.8 - 6.2 in water before feeding. Any ideas?

I just reread your post. You say the pineapple chunk is from seed. Did you grow it yourself? Was it selected from a group of seeds that you started or did you just grow one seed and that's the plant you got? If you just grew one seed then you could have a genetics issue. The plant may not be capable of handling a heavy feeding program because it is either a weakling plant or that strain just can't take it. When you start seeds ideally you want to start 10 times as many seeds as the number of plants you wish to grow. This is because about 30-50% will be males and of the remaining females 10% will have strong genetics capable of producing nice, fast growing, high yielding, healthy plants. If you want good results from seed you have to start a lot of seeds and weed out males and weaklings. (I usually start 20 or more seeds at a time to get one strong mother)

 

[homebrewer]

Hey, I'm not an AN fan boy or beginner grower, got that out of the way. I have used dyna gro, botanicare, fox farm, AN, earth juice and more. Out of all that I have used I prefer AN. Not because it destroys the competition as far as quality goes (I care about taste, fragrance, and resin production more than net yield). I prefer it because I have had pH issues with all other brands including dyna gro. First off with dyna gro after I mix a batch I have to add a shit ton of pH up because the stuff is so acid and with RO water there is nothing to counter act that from the start and the pH will drop dramatically over a period of 12 hours after adding pH up so I have to add more pH up. This cycle continues for about 3 days until the pH finally stabilizes and I've added alarming levels of pH up to my reservoir. pH up is usually potassium hydroxide meaning that I am adding extra plant available potassium just to stabilize my pH. That means my NPK ratios will be incorrect if I don't account for the pH up. And since most pH ups on the market don't label or are not required to label the concentration of the formula, this is hard to do. I have had similar problems with other lines as well. I like AN because it works and I use very little pH up or down (so I'm not indroducing a lot of unknown quantities of plant available nutrients like phosphoric acid aka ph down will increase phosphorus levels). Using less pH stabilizers also reduces my total grow cost so it helps offset the higher cost of AN nutrients. There are more to nutrients than just net yield. Ease of use and batch consistency are important to me so I use AN. AN is also THE ONLY nutrient company that supports cannabis growers. Try calling any other brands support line with questions about cannabis and they will hang up on you.

DG's Protekt is pretty alkaline which balances out the acidity of the nutrients (most nutrients are acidic). DG's foods also contain more ammoniacal nitrogen (~30%) than most which seems to correct the ever-rising pH issue that most fully nitrate hydroponic formulas have. For me, DG has been the only pH stable hydroponic food that I've ever used (nearly all foods require pH down over the course of the week, including AN's Connoisseur). If you're finding that you need a lot of pH up over the course of the week, I'd suggest leaching your medium as rockwool will accumulate acidic mineral salts and affect the pH of your reservoir. If you're not using rockwool, add a silica product to your feeding regimen. I've been using DG for over 4 years now and just recently had to buy more pH-adjusting solution for the first time since switching to DG, no lie. I bought a gallon of pH up from GrowMore. That shiz is 4 times more potent than GH's product.

 

[The420Guru]

Hey Homebrewer Have you ever tried Photosynthesis plus (Plus-C in California) ? I tried it in my last grow for adding Mycorrhizae and it has had great results on cloning seedlings and root structure in general. It also makes some fuzzy white roots with allowing me to cut back on my nutes. I also tried Quantum growth light which i guess is the same as Plus C only one has higher concentration then the other.. ( I think Plus-C is higher but not sure been to lazy to research it lately as my 16 lighter was just raided unfortunately for my partner he was the one there) we are legal but to bad he was involved in other things that lead to the raid. I am only doing about 16 plants now growing them bigger main lining for 8 tops and have actually increased weight by about 0.21g per watt. I have compared it to BioAg vam Endo and Mike O rizey which Plus-C seems to dominate. ( I do add some calcium nitrate when i inoculate the soil ) now I will be using DG as I was using GH and due to your post and experimenting side by side in soil pots I have gone away from GH. Thank you btw for all the hard work. My old line up was
GH 3 part
Protekt
Liquid kelp ( foliar )
CytoPlus ( last week veg to week 2 flower)

Flower I'm thinking of replacing Cyto ( http://www.bioag.com/images/Cyto_Tech.pdf ) with Bio nutrients AG 8-1-9 ( http://www.growthproducts.com/pdfs/Ag_BioNutrients_Soluble_AG.pdf ) and cut my Plus-C to 1/2 tsp g for the amino acids. If I even really need them..

Your thoughts?

 

[homebrewer]

I love Floralicious Plus but that Cyto looks really good on paper even though they say 10% is not soluble. That could cause issues in hydro systems. I don't know that those two products are comparable to one another. You could probably use both but you'd still be missing magnesium.

 

[homebrewer]

AN is also THE ONLY nutrient company that supports cannabis growers. Try calling any other brands support line with questions about cannabis and they will hang up on you.

I wanted to comment on this as I found your statement ironic. I'd hardly say that AN 'supports' cannabis growers given their high prices and the fact that their base nutrients are some of the most watery foods on the market. Their 'support' is simply a marketing gimmick when in reality they're a bunch ripoff artists.

 

[TBoneJack]

I'd like to join in and offer an opposing opinion, if I may. I hope I won't be perceived as biased.

I like AN. So far, that is.

I'm a long time organic grower who has, for several years, used a homemade soil mix that takes me all the way to harvest with nothing but un-ph'ed tap water. No nutes or additives of any kind. I copied the soil mix from member @sidewing here on RIU, so I can't take credit for it. But it's a great soil mix.

Anyway, my upper back and neck issues have compelled me to try grow methods that don't require the effort of mixing soil and carrying heavy pots. And since I absolutely hate adjusting pH, I decided to try the AN "pH Perfect Connoisseur" nutes first.

So far, I've been pleased. In an even comparison grow, AN is out-dueling my tried-and-true organic soil. So far, that is.

See my comparison grow here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/satori-comparison-grow-organic-vs-soilless-synthetic.879321/

I'm using AN Connoisseur Grow & Bloom, plus the Hobbyist package. So far, the only complaint I have is cost.

The convenience of bottled nutes that don't require pH adjustment is a huge appeal to me. And on top of that, it sure looks like I'll get a significantly bigger harvest than I'm used to. So it's gonna be hard for me to abandon AN.

I've actually tried Dyna Gro, based upon recommendations by @homebrewer . And Dyna Gro worked pretty well. With pH adjustments, that is. And I just hate adjusting pH. In fact, I've decided that I'll never adjust pH again.

So it appears that my only choices are organic on the one hand, and AN on the other. And I'm thinking I'll choose AN.

 

[homebrewer]

I'd like to join in and offer an opposing opinion, if I may. I hope I won't be perceived as biased.

I like AN. So far, that is.

I'm a long time organic grower who has, for several years, used a homemade soil mix that takes me all the way to harvest with nothing but un-ph'ed tap water. No nutes or additives of any kind. I copied the soil mix from member @sidewing here on RIU, so I can't take credit for it. But it's a great soil mix.

Anyway, my upper back and neck issues have compelled me to try grow methods that don't require the effort of mixing soil and carrying heavy pots. And since I absolutely hate adjusting pH, I decided to try the AN "pH Perfect Connoisseur" nutes first.

So far, I've been pleased. In an even comparison grow, AN is out-dueling my tried-and-true organic soil. So far, that is.

See my comparison grow here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/satori-comparison-grow-organic-vs-soilless-synthetic.879321/

I'm using AN Connoisseur Grow & Bloom, plus the Hobbyist package. So far, the only complaint I have is cost.

The convenience of bottled nutes that don't require pH adjustment is a huge appeal to me. And on top of that, it sure looks like I'll get a significantly bigger harvest than I'm used to. So it's gonna be hard for me to abandon AN.

I've actually tried Dyna Gro, based upon recommendations by @homebrewer . And Dyna Gro worked pretty well. With pH adjustments, that is. And I just hate adjusting pH. In fact, I've decided that I'll never adjust pH again.

So it appears that my only choices are organic on the one hand, and AN on the other. And I'm thinking I'll choose AN.

You don't need to pH-adjust foods before you water as your medium has plenty of buffering power. I stopped pH-ing my stuff a long time ago with no ill affects.

And of course bottled foods will out perform organic soil grows. The organic crowd is not doing what they do for big yields.