Soiless medium considered hydro or soil?

Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Olive Drab Green said:
I'm just trying to figure out how to technically refer to my grow regarding methodology. I know it's organic, and I run LEDs. Most people have been concluding that my set-up is technically DTW hydro. As cool as that sounds, I just want to find a consensus on my grow labels.
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Nahh, id say its an amended soiless grow. Drain to waste doesnt mean it has to be hydro. All soil grows are drain to waste, unless your recirculating everyone runs drain to waste.
 
Alienwidow

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bravedave said:
Nice backpedal.

Promix and I think Sunshine#4 probably account for over 90% of the peat "based mixes" here. Neither are soil. Sunshine is a little closer as it adds some sort of organic fert but Sorry, you are just wrong. Put down the shovel.
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so as per the definition of soil, you were actually wrong and he was right, because as you say, over 90% of the peat "based mixes" really are soil. So i mean now would probably be a good time to appolgise to that guy you were talking shit too. Or you could back pedal, dig a deeper hole, and try and discredit the growers trying to teach you how to grow....again ;) :lol:
 
Alienwidow

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bravedave said:
Rich, if you want to think of it as soil then go right ahead. I, and most here, don't.
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Well i mean the website says its got a up to a months worth of food in it, it holds water, it contains microbes. It needs to be fed much more vigorously, but its mined right outta the ground man. What else does it need to do for you to admit its a type of soil?
 
Olive Drab Green

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I hope the peat I used was found in a bog covering the corpse of some poor bastard who fell in and drown. That would probably be extra fertile, and it might make my buds super dank. And then, I could smoke with that guy's ghost, and he'll be glad he died in a bog. We'll be best buds forever. The end.
 
selfmedicator462

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Alienwidow said:
Well i know i can plant a seed in promix hp and the "soil" will grow a plant for a month or more. Ive seen it in plant problems many times. Noob thinks his soiless is organic potting soil and doesnt feed, plants turn yellow and he comes here to ask why. The HP after the promix lable means the promix is "teaming with organisms", because its been inoculated with mycorrhizae. ;) I mean you use the stuff so you should know this. So by definition you are wrong. It may not be able to get a plant to flower well, but it still sustains life easily through a colony of microorganisms. Right?
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Well thanks for calling me a noob. Appreciated but I've got several grows under my belt with great results. My plant didn't yellow because I wasn't feeding. It yellowed because my ph meter was fucked up. Or maybe your not talking about me. I don't care either way I just want to argue with somebody. I did start this thread so I might as well get in on it.
 
Alienwidow

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
@bravedave @kmog33 @Alienwidow

We just do things different. My tiny little crap works. Ain't the best. Maybe.
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Potato potahto. Im sure all our systems work well. The point of the thread isnt how well we can all grow, its the question, is soiless hydro? Im pretty sure that ive explained that soiless peat mixes arent hydro. Coco is the closest to hydro but still not hydro. And coco chunk can very well be hydro when used in an ebb system or drain to waste. If theres no objections i think we can put this dead horse to rest. :):):)
 
kmog33

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Alienwidow said:
Potato potahto. Im sure all our systems work well. The point of the thread isnt how well we can all grow, its the question, is soiless hydro? Im pretty sure that ive explained that soiless peat mixes arent hydro. Coco is the closest to hydro but still not hydro. And coco chunk can very well be hydro when used in an ebb system or drain to waste. If theres no objections i think we can put this dead horse to rest. :):):)
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I agree with this. Kind of the point I was trying to make.
 
Alienwidow

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selfmedicator462 said:
Well thanks for calling me a noob. Appreciated but I've got several grows under my belt with great results. My plant didn't yellow because I wasn't feeding. It yellowed because my ph meter was fucked up. Or maybe your not talking about me. I don't care either way I just want to argue with somebody. I did start this thread so I might as well get in on it.
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No no, im not talking about you at all. I spend lots of time in plant problems and i see guys that come in with yellow plants a month and a half into a grow and say that they havent fed anything. Then i explain to them that soiless isnt organic potting soil and you have to feed it hard. I actually never use the word noob because people take offense to it and its rude. And low and behold the first time i use it in years to prove a point it gets taken out of context and offends someone. Nah 462, i think your good shit. That light of yours, the genetics you run, and the trellising you do is obviously the work of a seasoned vet. Cheers.
 
Kingrow1

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Alienwidow said:
Potato potahto. Im sure all our systems work well. The point of the thread isnt how well we can all grow, its the question, is soiless hydro? Im pretty sure that ive explained that soiless peat mixes arent hydro. Coco is the closest to hydro but still not hydro. And coco chunk can very well be hydro when used in an ebb system or drain to waste. If theres no objections i think we can put this dead horse to rest. :):):)
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What he said ^^^
 
selfmedicator462

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Alienwidow said:
No no, im not talking about you at all. I spend lots of time in plant problems and i see guys that come in with yellow plants a month and a half into a grow and say that they havent fed anything. Then i explain to them that soiless isnt organic potting soil and you have to feed it hard. I actually never use the word noob because people take offense to it and its rude. And low and behold the first time i use it in years to prove a point it gets taken out of context and offends someone. Nah 462, i think your good shit. That light of yours, the genetics you run, and the trellising you do is obviously the work of a seasoned vet. Cheers.
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Lol all good man! Just felt like gettin in on the action.
 
bravedave

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Alienwidow said:
Ya i could tell. I dont know what daves rant was all about. You were right in saying organic soil growing is the easiest for new growers to grasp as well. Oh dave.....oh dave:roll:
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That's right. Why settle on just Promix HP and Tub of Jack's Citrus when you can simplify and russle up some
fox farm ocean forest soil
red worm castings
Happy frog
Kelp
Potters Gold
dolomite
bone meal
azomite
rock phosphate
Bloom bat guano
Molasses
blood meal and maybe
humic acid

And after the newb mixes this together and plants his/her clones he/she can get down to work on their tea recipe.
Yeah, much easier. Lol
 
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Tangerine_

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bravedave said:
That's right. Why settle on just Promix HP and Tub of Jack's Citrus when you can simplify and russle up some
fox farm ocean forest soil
red worm castings
Happy frog
Kelp
Potters Gold
dolomite
bone meal
azomite
rock phosphate
Bloom bat guano
Molasses
blood meal and maybe
humic acid

And after the newb mixes this together and plants his/her clones he/she can get down to work on their tea recipe.
Yeah, much easier. Lol
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Its much better and more economical than the countless growers who get duped into all the marketing hype by companies that tell them the need 25+ bottles to grow with. While I agree, quality media and something simple like Jacks would be the way to go, it seems very few new growers follow the KISS method or even the Lucas formula. Most are bombarded with various forms of mass media marketing that are often nothing but ill advice and misinformation.

BTW, are you Native American? If so which Nation?
 
bravedave

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Tangerine_ said:
Its much better and more economical than the countless growers who get duped into all the marketing hype by companies that tell them the need 25+ bottles to grow with. While I agree, quality media and something simple like Jacks would be the way to go, it seems very few new growers follow the KISS method or even the Lucas formula. Most are bombarded with various forms of mass media marketing that are often nothing but ill advice and misinformation.

BTW, are you Native American? If so which Nation?
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I agree. This just countering the idiocy of those thinking organics was easier than a "KISS" chemical and soilless grow, for beginners. I do have a field that I grow "horse feed" and that is fertilized organically and I would not have it any other way. Funny, I have been here for 2 years and never been asked my roots and now twice in one thread. Yes and not so distantly related to the pictured.
 
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