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GroErr
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Oh yeah, all of these (9x 2gal) are Blue Ripper F2's. The difference is 2 things and why there's also some additional variation. I used the same Blue Ripper F1 male which was the strongest smelling plant I've grown, male or female. Then pollinated both the Blue Ripper 1 (BR1/F1) sat-dom Female, and the Blue Ripper 2 (BR2/F1) Female with his pollen. So I tagged them BR1-x and BR2-x to track them. I popped 8 of each BR1/F2 and BR2/F2 seeds for this run originally, pulled 4x males that weren't special in any way, and culled 3 unknown's at different stages before they sexed.
The BR2 phenos (3 of them will run again as clones) came out the closest (smell-wise) to the original Blue Ripper 2 F1 keeper pheno. That was an indi-dom pheno, very fruity/blueberry smell, like perfume level. Underlying hash/earthy tone which comes out more at about 4 weeks cure. This one has a nice mellow head stone and instant body stone on exhale, should make great caps, haven't gathered enough trim/popcorn to make any but after this new run I'll have more than enough
The BR1 pheno that will run again is 3rd from the left above, tagged BR1-4. It's what I've been calling the "JTR" pheno, the plant structure is more indica leaning, but the buds are more like JTR's, that Xmas tree look, or space rockets
It's smelling nicer as it matures, some hashy smells under a fairly strong lemon/pine. It's also the biggest producer by far, there's a couple of others with big colas, but the buds on BR1-4 are super-dense, lots of weight coming off that one 
ttystikk
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Also equals my Hillbilly Hobby and if it gets a confirmed dabber stoned, you know it's fire.
GroErr
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That's my lab testing, I give testers to a buddy who smokes more joints than a smoker puffs cigarettes. If I get the "what the fuck is that" look, I know the pheno is over 20%
Growdict
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Groerr, do you start mainly from seeds? i see you do breeding crosses and i think once i get things dialed in with a couple runs, i will do the same as it looks like more fun. are there any plants that you are happy with exactly as they and just run clones pertpetually of?
GroErr
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Hey, I do both. That new 3x3 I put into flowering a couple of weeks ago is JTR, Blue Dream, Blue Ripper1, and Blue Ripper2 clones. I've been running some of those for a couple of years now.
Lately I've been running a bunch of seeds, some to just try, some for breeding like that Blue Ripper F2 batch which is just about finished. I'll run 4 or 5 of those F2's at least once more from clone and whittle it down to one or two of the best phenos. Those winners will run until I at least cross them once more to F3 level, hunt through those, find a winner, etc., it can be an almost never ending cycle.
Also running some seeds now to see if I can find some new phenos/genetics, some may stay longer, only run once, or be crossed for new breeding project. Lots of fun, breeding can take a long time to find "the one", stabilize the line and get some consistency to get the phenos you want when someone runs a few seeds. It can also be easy like just hitting a nice pheno of one strain with pollen from another strain you like. F1's can be very vigorous and you can find some fire in them, it only takes a lot of work and time to create an stable strain that produces consistent phenos.
Space can be a challenge, I stretch the space using different techniques like cloning my males, keeping them and other phenos/strains I want to keep in party cups or 1gal's for as long as 10-12 weeks. Almost time to build another room
rocknratm
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Ive been struggling with space myself. My veg is 8x4 and it always seems to fill up so fast, especially when starting seeds and sexing, then you have to keep them alive until you know what you want to keep.
I want to breed as well, but wont til fall when temps drop.
Plus im vegging perpetually to fill 2 rooms, each with a 600 and an led (flip to 400's for summer). I realized I cant veg for the full flower cycle of 2-2.5months. Plants get too big and I have height limits. Plus when they get so big yield may increase but its hard to keep up on nutrient needs.
I also think size wise there is a point of diminishing return. Now Im trying to clone them before flower, veg the clones and take clones of them, kill the original and run the second gen clone. Wait and see how it goes. Timing is so important!
sorry for the babbling, long story short- any techniques you can share on keeping plants for a long time in 1 gallons? or party cups for that matter? If I give them less light, they get kind of spindly and stretchy, and sometimes have other problems which if your just going to clone it isnt a big deal I guess. But Ive noticed unhealthy plants are harder to clone.
I want to breed as well, but wont til fall when temps drop.
Plus im vegging perpetually to fill 2 rooms, each with a 600 and an led (flip to 400's for summer). I realized I cant veg for the full flower cycle of 2-2.5months. Plants get too big and I have height limits. Plus when they get so big yield may increase but its hard to keep up on nutrient needs.
I also think size wise there is a point of diminishing return. Now Im trying to clone them before flower, veg the clones and take clones of them, kill the original and run the second gen clone. Wait and see how it goes. Timing is so important!
sorry for the babbling, long story short- any techniques you can share on keeping plants for a long time in 1 gallons? or party cups for that matter? If I give them less light, they get kind of spindly and stretchy, and sometimes have other problems which if your just going to clone it isnt a big deal I guess. But Ive noticed unhealthy plants are harder to clone.
hyroot
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Use malwarebytes software in safe mode. Then in regular mode use tdss killer. That always works for everyone's computer that has ever had malware I've worked on.
Other than that all you can do is format and reinstall the os..
GroErr
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Both work well but if they have a backup I just re-format/re-install. My daughter's computer was getting infected every few months (my grandson doesn't pay much attention and downloads all kinds of crap!). So I moved all of their documents/pics/folders to a fast external USB drive so any data is saved on the drive and I don't care what's on the OS drive. Now if I get the call I don't even bother with trying to clean it, I just format/re-install, hook-up the USB drive, point the document folders back to the USB drive and away they go.
GroErr
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Yeah space is always a problem, regardless of how much you have, kind of like a garage
No special tricks really, I use a bunch of things to try and keep what I want with limited flowering/veg space.- I don't keep mothers, I just clone them before flowering and take extra clones for critical phenos (the odd time I've had to cut flowering clones but it's worth the risk for space)
- I wouldn't consider doing the cloning before flowering without an aero cloner. Just bought a 36-site King cloner not long ago that's helping a bit.
- I cut small clones vs. mini trees which also gives me some extra time in the party cups
- I use 50/50 mix of Pro-Mix and Triple Mix so I don't have to feed them for a while in the cups and when up-potted to 1gal's they don't need any feeding unless I want to speed things up a bit
- If I'm trying to keep them around for a bit in the 1gal's I super-crop the main if they're getting too tall. This one's tricky though, you'll gain some height but it also triggers more growth so it only helps short-term. I'll typically only do this if I can up-pot within a week. If it's a longer time I'll just clone the 1gal's and start the process again (this is how I do the males, I just cloned then culled 2 males in 1gal pots that were 2ft tall)
GroErr
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Just a mix of soil off the shelf, this must be a Canadian term because I've heard this question a couple of times. It's typically a mix of top soil/loam, some form of peat and manure, there are different blends. I tried a bunch and settled on one which is super clean from a local farmer's supply retailer. I'd used it (triple mix) as my base in the past for outdoor and when I first started indoor. But quickly changed to cutting it with Pro-Mix after a couple of rounds indoor, too messy and attracted too many bugs and shit. Cutting it with pro-mix it gives you enough nutes to run for a while (after each up-pot/transplant) with no feeding required unless you want/need to, like I'll supplement feed the odd time in veg if I need to speed things up or if a particular strain/cut has some form of def.
GroErr
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2 down, 7 to go, these were well done and pretty well stopped drinking so off with their heads! 
Left (first pic) is the BR1-1 pheno, not bad and earliest finisher but not special enough to run again. Right is BR2-5 likely the final keeper but we'll see once they all cure. Large fans trimmed off and ready for chop tonight or tomorrow. For perspective that door knob is 37" from the floor and they're 2 gal pots. Not bad at all au naturelle, no training and primarily water, very low and few feeds this round.
BR1-1:
BR2-5:
Cheers
Left (first pic) is the BR1-1 pheno, not bad and earliest finisher but not special enough to run again. Right is BR2-5 likely the final keeper but we'll see once they all cure. Large fans trimmed off and ready for chop tonight or tomorrow. For perspective that door knob is 37" from the floor and they're 2 gal pots. Not bad at all au naturelle, no training and primarily water, very low and few feeds this round.
BR1-1:
BR2-5:
Cheers
Growdict
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What about doing a mainline technique? Harder on a clone but slows down the veg. Also you could use less light. One or two t5s still nice and close
GroErr
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Yeah that's a good one, forgot to mention lighting. I'll turn it down to 16/8 sometimes, depends what else I have in there though. I also have those LED's with veg and bloom switches so sometimes I'll run it just on the veg switch which is about 35% less wattage. Mainlining will slow them down but just like super cropping, any training will generate more growth eventually so it's short term. It's good for height reduction though if that's the goal.
Sometimes I'll throw those tellises on in veg and weave some colas through the trellises if they're getting too tall. If I bend them through the lower holes it's much like mainlining, they get bent close to 90 degrees and spread out under the top canopy. It slows them down for less than a week, but then they explode outward and take up even more space! I have those 3x 5gal's in the veg tent waiting for these 2gal's in the flower room to finish. Did some weaving about a week ago with the 2x Blue Ripper's to keep the height down and now they're filling the 2x4' tent with a week to go before I can flip them
