Molasses?

corners

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wow, this is one hot topic!

The elements in molasses are certainly beneficial to a plant, iron, calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc. These nutrients will help a plant grow... but...

If sugars are applied directly to soil, it is the fastest way to lower available nitrogen in that soil. By feeding micro-organisms in soil (with glucose, fructose, maltose, etc) they will rapidly start consuming and holding nutrients, effectively locking them from being used by the plant.

I see many more pictures on this site of classic nutrient burns compared to deficiencies it seems. Feeding with molasses or sugar is a quick way to bring down nitrate levels during flowering. I have a hunch many are just correcting for an abundance of nutrient.

Sugar is so effective at reducing nitrate levels that people are starting to use is as an organic weed spray. (try googling this)

I can see how many people have had success molasses, for two main reasons
1- It lowers nitrogen and other keys nutrients, reducing vigor of the plant. (keeping that burn under control)
2- It contains some valuable elements (if you are not already giving them).

I have said my piece, but who the f*ck am i anyway?
Also high sugars kill bacteria, or was it mold or v iruses. I cant remember but we did some expermints in my biotech class and i was suprised that too much sugar can break down certain organisms.

As to your point the sugars breaking down or locking out nitrogen is probably why people dont use the stuff till second half of flowering.
 

kingofqueen

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Yeah but some people want to be free of big business ripping us off. Look at how many different products there are out there ! The 3lbs are just trying to prove a point against big business more so than whether or not how well molassas works.
 

corners

Well-Known Member
Yeah but some people want to be free of big business ripping us off. Look at how many different products there are out there ! The 3lbs are just trying to prove a point against big business more so than whether or not how well molassas works.
Thats exactly what i got from that thread also. Companies are ripping people off up to over a hundred dollars in some cases for something that can be had at our local grocery store for little to nothing
 

Gr33nCrack

Active Member
molasses in hydro should work just fine, as long as you boil it with some water first. i mix a solution of half water half molasses and boil on the stove for like 5 minutes, it makes it much more soluble in water
 

TheRuiner

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molasses in hydro should work just fine, as long as you boil it with some water first. i mix a solution of half water half molasses and boil on the stove for like 5 minutes, it makes it much more soluble in water
Green, doesn't boiling the mixture do anything to it besides making it more runny? Like with cooking, are nutrients not destroyed when cooked ie. heat is applied?
 

Bag Lady

Member
Please remember that plants can only uptake nutes that are available in the soil. That means that you must have the right balance of micro and macro nutes in the right ratios to make certain nutes available for uptake. Just because you add something to the soil does not mean it is available. What you add may actually bind to the soil or some other carrier and be unavailable or cause other nutes to become unavailable.

What growers may be seeing is that their soil may not be in balance or lacking micro nutes that are in the Molasses. The adding of Molasses may be balancing the ratio that allows their plants to uptake those micro-nutes or placing in the soil the micros that were not there or in too small amounts for uptake.

In my state the Dept of Ag has a cheap soil test ($5) that will tell you the micro and macro content of your soil. This makes adjusting your nutes sooo much easier.

And just because I'm curious I'm going to try 1 with Molasses and the others without.
 

odbsmydog

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I love molasses! I use it throughout the whole grow and tons during flowering. the bennies love it, the plants love it, I love the smell. I think it works way better than sweet or carbo-load.
 

buraka415

Active Member
@odbsmydog

i was given a sample of Sweet at the recent Expo. I also have been using EarthJuice Hi-Brix vs buying blackstrap molasses at the local produce store. The latter is $$$$ .. 440ml = $7. The Hi-Brix is at least a gallon I think, for about $23.

what was your experience with Sweet and why wouldn't you use it again compared to reg molasses

im currently using 100% coco
 

frogster

Active Member
I grow my bennies with it , then add it to the rez, i (hydro) I believe the molasses is just good for the bennies... I wouldnt add it straight to the rez,,, I like growing a bennie colony in a separate rez and then adding it... I may try molasses straight to the rez near the end of my flowering..
 

Otokehort

Member
Folks, I also found the same sugar uptake papers noted in earlier posts and we sent out inquiries to our scientific network at The American Society for Horticulture Science ... no one that answered from that network has heard of anyone in commercial horticulture pouring sugar on their plants as a normal practice.

I have ultimate faith in capitalism that when something works, everyone uses it ... e.g. mycorrhizae. So when mainstream does not adopt something, it usually means that there is not sufficient benefit for the expense/time spent.

I have had many growers tell me the sugar is a must, but when I press for for proof, there never seems to be detail and I occasionally run across people who say they don't think sugar makes a real difference and that brings me to my point here. When faced with a claim, the only way to validate the claim is to run trials (following rigorous protocols) and see if you can measure significant changes and then link them back to the differences in care (e.g., added sugar vs did not add sugar.)

The relative dirth of scholarly article on flavor may be explained by the appearance that mainstream hort appears to have set aside research on flavor in favor of finding and using species with good flavor genetics, proper cultural management during growth and post harvest handling and curing. As we begin to get a better understanding of this area... the experimental feedback can help guide us toward an eventual answer and we must be sure that science can confirm the supposed mechanism.

For example, I'm partial to the thought that Sulfur may be a plausible flavor agent and sulfur is absorbed by the plant as a nutrient. I have a viable path fore the flavor agent to get into the plant and I have an element that is a well know flavor enhancer. So that's my theory and now I need to run trials so that I can measure and compare the outputs.

Otoké hort


www.otokehort.com
 

justin457

Member
I can't imagine wanting to be right like you tech head, considering the amount of friends and vagina that it will probably yeild.....

Is there a way using the scientific method that you can dispute my claim that if you actually behave in real life the way you do in this thread that you will never find someone to talk to you for more than a few minutes
ahahahahaha
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
You dug up a 6 YEAR old thread, and the last post was 5 years ago?

It's nice and quaint, that you believe that the Molasses is whats making your grow run well.

How many times have we had this disagreement over Molasses?

The properties of Molasses are overblown in growing and more myth then actual fact!!!
The BEST use of molasses to growing is to use it as the carb source for feeding AACT tea making! (everybody I know that makes TEAs does)

If your new to growing - The use of molasses in soil feed solutions is an "old - school" myth. It does not actually "do" what it was intended to.

NEVER put molasses in HYDRO, and that means soilless - like COCO too!

There are other things that "do" what molasses is supposed to, available for use.

But please - do what works for YOU!
 

Olive Drab Green

Well-Known Member
You dug up a 6 YEAR old thread, and the last post was 5 years ago?

It's nice and quaint, that you believe that the Molasses is whats making your grow run well.

How many times have we had this disagreement over Molasses?

The properties of Molasses are overblown in growing and more myth then actual fact!!!
The BEST use of molasses to growing is to use it as the carb source for feeding AACT tea making! (everybody I know that makes TEAs does)

If your new to growing - The use of molasses in soil feed solutions is an "old - school" myth. It does not actually "do" what it was intended to.

NEVER put molasses in HYDRO, and that means soilless - like COCO too!

There are other things that "do" what molasses is supposed to, available for use.

But please - do what works for YOU!
I disagree strongly with this. The only reason we don't use molasses in hydro is because it clogs and turns rancid in a ricirculating system. Coco is fine. Please don't look for my posts to criticize me I'm not wrong.

You and I will always disagree on molasses, and it seems most people agree with me, so I'm not going to tell anyone running organics not to use molasses, unless it is a pure hydro system.
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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I disagree strongly with this. The only reason we don't use molasses in hydro is because it clogs and turns rancid in a ricirculating system. Coco is fine. Please don't look for my posts to criticize me I'm not wrong.

You and I will always disagree on molasses, and it seems most people agree with me, so I'm not going to tell anyone running organics not to use molasses.
I'll leave this here for you GAIN, Maybe you will actually understand it at some point,dunno?

Molasses for Plants
By Robert Pavlis on March 31, 2014

This is a hot gardening topic these days and many of the organic gardeners are promoting the idea that you should add molasses to your compost pile and to your garden. It makes the microbes grow better–they need to eat, don’t you know?

Molasses; should you eat it, or dump it onto your soil? You have come to the right place to get the facts.


Molasses for Plants


Molasses, What is it?
Molasses is a byproduct produced during the manufacture of sugar. Sugar cane or sugar beets are processed so that the sugar can be extracted. The material that is left after most of the sugar is removed is a black sticky material called molasses. Molasses contains sugar, some other carbohydrates, vitamins and a number of minerals like calcium and iron.

Molasses for Plants
You probably know that it is important to have microbes in your soil. If not, have a look atOrganic Fertilizer – What is its Real Value. If having microbes is important, than it makes sense that you should feed those microbes. Feeding them will make them healthy, and make them reproduce so that you have even more microbes. Guess what? Microbes, especially the bacteria, love sugar. It’s no surprise that they also love molasses since it is mostly sugar.

So far it all seems to make sense. Microbes are good for soil, and molasses is good for microbes, so why not add it to soil? The short answer is that there is nothing wrong with adding molasses to your garden, or to your compost pile. It will feed the microbes.

Does it Make Sense to Add Molasses?
I’ll save you the trouble of skipping to the end of this post–the answer is NO!

Understanding why the answer is no will help you understand your garden. Let’s have a look. In a normal garden, or compost pile, you have a large variety of microbes, all going about their daily lives. They find something to eat, they poop, and they die. This is a continual process that goes on a billion times a second.

Microbes are opportunistic in that their populations will increase and decrease as the conditions change. Let’s assume you have not been doing too much in the garden so conditions are not changing. In that case the microbe populations remain steady. Things are chugging along at a normal pace and everybody is happy.

Now you dump a lot of molasses on the garden. Instantly, microbes sense the extra food and they start to multiply. Bacteria can divide (ie double the population) every 20 minutes. The population explodes very quickly. All those bacteria need to eat, and they quickly consume the molasses you added. As the food source runs out there is a massive famine and most of the bacteria die.

What has the molasses accomplished?

Not much. It is true that all of the dead bacteria go on to feed other microbes, and they help build soil structure. The minerals in the molasses stay in the soil and plants can use them, but your soil probably had enough calcium and iron before you added the molasses. The vitamins in molasses are of no value to plants.

Is the massive population explosion good for your plants? I don’t think anyone knows, but most things in nature are better off without massive changes, and plant roots depend very much on the population of microbes around their roots. I just can’t believe a bacteria population explosion is good for the plants.

Molasses might make your compost pile work quicker, but the first rain, or your hose, will wash the sugars out of the pile removing any benefits.


Do You Need to Feed the Microbes?
The reason for adding molasses is to feed the microbes, so it is important to ask, “Should the gardener feed the microbes?” The answer is a resounding YES! However, there are many ways to do this. Adding compost, wood chips or other organic matter as a mulch is the best way. This provides a slow, steady release of food for the microbes.

Molasses is a product that we can use to feed people and animals. I’d rather eat gingerbread cookies than compost and wood chips. From an environmental point of view it makes more sense to put non-edible organic matter in the garden and keep the food in the fridge.

There is no “magic” in molasses. It’s just another source of organic matter that will be decomposed in the garden. All organic matter contains carbohydrates, sugars, minerals and vitamins, just like molasses. Don’t believe me …… consider the fact that molasses is made from plants; sugar cane or sugar beets.

References:

1) Photo Source: Йоана Петрова
http://www.gardenmyths.com/molasses-for-plants/
 

Olive Drab Green

Well-Known Member
I'll leave this here for you GAIN, Maybe you will actually understand it at some point,dunno?

Molasses for Plants
By Robert Pavlis on March 31, 2014

This is a hot gardening topic these days and many of the organic gardeners are promoting the idea that you should add molasses to your compost pile and to your garden. It makes the microbes grow better–they need to eat, don’t you know?

Molasses; should you eat it, or dump it onto your soil? You have come to the right place to get the facts.


Molasses for Plants


Molasses, What is it?
Molasses is a byproduct produced during the manufacture of sugar. Sugar cane or sugar beets are processed so that the sugar can be extracted. The material that is left after most of the sugar is removed is a black sticky material called molasses. Molasses contains sugar, some other carbohydrates, vitamins and a number of minerals like calcium and iron.

Molasses for Plants
You probably know that it is important to have microbes in your soil. If not, have a look atOrganic Fertilizer – What is its Real Value. If having microbes is important, than it makes sense that you should feed those microbes. Feeding them will make them healthy, and make them reproduce so that you have even more microbes. Guess what? Microbes, especially the bacteria, love sugar. It’s no surprise that they also love molasses since it is mostly sugar.

So far it all seems to make sense. Microbes are good for soil, and molasses is good for microbes, so why not add it to soil? The short answer is that there is nothing wrong with adding molasses to your garden, or to your compost pile. It will feed the microbes.

Does it Make Sense to Add Molasses?
I’ll save you the trouble of skipping to the end of this post–the answer is NO!

Understanding why the answer is no will help you understand your garden. Let’s have a look. In a normal garden, or compost pile, you have a large variety of microbes, all going about their daily lives. They find something to eat, they poop, and they die. This is a continual process that goes on a billion times a second.

Microbes are opportunistic in that their populations will increase and decrease as the conditions change. Let’s assume you have not been doing too much in the garden so conditions are not changing. In that case the microbe populations remain steady. Things are chugging along at a normal pace and everybody is happy.

Now you dump a lot of molasses on the garden. Instantly, microbes sense the extra food and they start to multiply. Bacteria can divide (ie double the population) every 20 minutes. The population explodes very quickly. All those bacteria need to eat, and they quickly consume the molasses you added. As the food source runs out there is a massive famine and most of the bacteria die.

What has the molasses accomplished?

Not much. It is true that all of the dead bacteria go on to feed other microbes, and they help build soil structure. The minerals in the molasses stay in the soil and plants can use them, but your soil probably had enough calcium and iron before you added the molasses. The vitamins in molasses are of no value to plants.

Is the massive population explosion good for your plants? I don’t think anyone knows, but most things in nature are better off without massive changes, and plant roots depend very much on the population of microbes around their roots. I just can’t believe a bacteria population explosion is good for the plants.

Molasses might make your compost pile work quicker, but the first rain, or your hose, will wash the sugars out of the pile removing any benefits.


Do You Need to Feed the Microbes?
The reason for adding molasses is to feed the microbes, so it is important to ask, “Should the gardener feed the microbes?” The answer is a resounding YES! However, there are many ways to do this. Adding compost, wood chips or other organic matter as a mulch is the best way. This provides a slow, steady release of food for the microbes.

Molasses is a product that we can use to feed people and animals. I’d rather eat gingerbread cookies than compost and wood chips. From an environmental point of view it makes more sense to put non-edible organic matter in the garden and keep the food in the fridge.

There is no “magic” in molasses. It’s just another source of organic matter that will be decomposed in the garden. All organic matter contains carbohydrates, sugars, minerals and vitamins, just like molasses. Don’t believe me …… consider the fact that molasses is made from plants; sugar cane or sugar beets.

References:

1) Photo Source: Йоана Петрова
http://www.gardenmyths.com/molasses-for-plants/
Here we go again. You don't "dump molasses." You dilute and water in. Fucking sock.
 
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