Rate the 3 best lights and companies and why

[NewI]

Amare, I think they are on to something!!!

 

[TogiX]

Best light @ 50% efficiency is CXM22 @ CobKits.

Best light @ 60% efficiency is Vero 29 Gen 7 Type C @ 56w.

Best company is Do It Yourself, as always.

Go the prebuilt route and in most cases you'll be paying 2$/watt @ 48% efficiency (Amare), or 1.5$/watt @ 49% efficiency (Timber) You can DIY for ~1-1.5$/w @ 60% efficiency if you care enough to get your hands dirty.

 

[Hybridway]

Best light @ 50% efficiency is CXM22 @ CobKits.

Best light @ 60% efficiency is Vero 29 Gen 7 Type C @ 56w.

Best company is Do It Yourself, as always.

Go the prebuilt route and in most cases you'll be paying 2$/watt @ 48% efficiency (Amare), or 1.5$/watt @ 49% efficiency (Timber) You can DIY for ~1-1.5$/w @ 60% efficiency if you care enough to get your hands dirty.

Ahh, the SE-450 is 52% cob & led wise based on current & will provide the highest DLI & photosynthetic efficiency.
Timber & DIY are great though if that's what you want.

 

[TogiX]

Ahh, the SE-450 is 52% & will provide the highest DLI & photosynthetic efficiency.

I just looked at the Pro9 because it has the CXB3590's and the SE-450 uses CXB3070's which were older. That's weird though that the fixture using older chips is more efficient than one using newer chips. It doesn't really make sense that the SE-450 outperforms their newer fixture, since it's also using UV bulbs... Maybe they're driving the 3590's too high?

Bruh you might as well ask for a RIU advertiser identifier because you're like the Amare fairy, if it's mentioned; you're lurking around somewhere.

 

[atomicDETH]

Best light @ 50% efficiency is CXM22 @ CobKits.

Best light @ 60% efficiency is Vero 29 Gen 7 Type C @ 56w.

Best company is Do It Yourself, as always.

Go the prebuilt route and in most cases you'll be paying 2$/watt @ 48% efficiency (Amare), or 1.5$/watt @ 49% efficiency (Timber) You can DIY for ~1-1.5$/w @ 60% efficiency if you care enough to get your hands dirty.

As someone considering the 900watt framework from timber can't figure out whether to go with the Vero or the 3590's . And just curious how u can equate 46percent efficiency for their fixtures

 

[TogiX]

As someone considering the 900watt framework from timber can't figure out whether to go with the Vero or the 3590's . And just curious how u can equate 46percent efficiency for their fixtures

Vero are newer and better across the board. I'm sure if Cree ever got around to releasing a new chip they'd beat everything else but you'd definitely pay premium for what they have.

To determine efficiency it's pretty easy since Timber shows the PARw from each fixture. On the 400 watt they get 195 PARw so you simply divide the PARw from the overall wattage (195/400)= 48.75%

 

[atomicDETH]

Vero are newer and better across the board. I'm sure if Cree ever got around to releasing a new chip they'd beat everything else but you'd definitely pay premium for what they have

To determine efficiency it's pretty easy since Timber shows the PARw from each fixture. On the 400 watt they get 195 PARw so you simply divide the PARw from the overall wattage (195/400)= 48.75%

Thanks for the response,I think you just really helped me make my descion on the Vero alot easier lol, now I I'm probably going to choose 3,000k spectrum but I see that they are willing to customize too should I consider splitting spectrums instead of just choosing one?

 

[Hybridway]

I just looked at the Pro9 because it has the CXB3590's and the SE-450 uses CXB3070's which were older. That's weird though that the fixture using older chips is more efficient than one using newer chips. It doesn't really make sense that the SE-450 outperforms their newer fixture, since it's also using UV bulbs... Maybe they're driving the 3590's too high?

Bruh you might as well ask for a RIU advertiser identifier because you're like the Amare fairy, if it's mentioned; you're lurking around somewhere.

You may want to try to understand the CXB line a little better. They are the same chip in different sizes & Max drive currents. Example: a CXB 3070 ran @ 1/2 power is the same as a CXB 3590 ran @ 1/2 power, efficiency wise.
Never said one outperforms the other. Refer to understanding the Chips.
Amare wasn't mentioned as far as I know. I responded w/ knowledge to the OPs question, just like everyone else.
I'm here just offering my insight based on my research & experience, as we're all trying to do.
But, now that you mention it, Amare is now a sponsor here so there should definitely not be a problem w/ my recommendations of them. Especially seeing how I actually use them & SunCloak. It's not often you get someone that can recommend a pre-manufactured fixture based off experience in this DIY forum.
Would you rather someone just swing blind @ your refferal when all that $$$'s on the line? Not me.

 

[redeyedfrog]

The Best 3 to me are:

Amare: because they are true full spectrum which has recently been discovered through testing to be what cannabis thrives best under, having the highest DLI of all lights tested. Great service & warranty. Some of the Top components used & always upgrading when possible. Tons of documented grows & happy customers. Plus they offer several fixtures @ different wattages & dimensions to suit your grow. Oh, & no matter what their price says on the sight, they're actually more like $2 a watt, making them pretty affordable for what they are. Most Photosynthetically efficient led available IMO. I own these.

SunCloak: I doubt any other light can exceed this one in GPW & G/sq'. It's just amazing. It utilizes the whole plant 3-Dimensionally, ungulfing the plants in surrounding light. Great service. Owner is eager to make sure you're happy. Recently started offering much more then what's on the site through working w/ me on the best options for growing Cannabis. Site Should be updated soon. IP rated & can safely get wet if one needs to spray their plants. Passively cooled, very little heat.
Very efficient in design & technology. Expensive yet is inline w/ other good companies by yielding at least double the initial purchase cost off the first run easily.
I own these.

Fluence Bioengineering: Always liked them since they were BML but never used one. Great spectrum, components, & very professional. Even light distribution & ran passive. They now have a few options in fixtures. I like the Spyder X Plus & Vypers.
They mix 27k, 5K, w/ added 660 & offer 2 spectrums. They are the original efficient led fixture & one of the first to share their umol/Joule using the Shpere to determine their efficiency.

Excellent info man thank you

 

[redeyedfrog]

Best light @ 50% efficiency is CXM22 @ CobKits.

Best light @ 60% efficiency is Vero 29 Gen 7 Type C @ 56w.

Best company is Do It Yourself, as always.

Go the prebuilt route and in most cases you'll be paying 2$/watt @ 48% efficiency (Amare), or 1.5$/watt @ 49% efficiency (Timber) You can DIY for ~1-1.5$/w @ 60% efficiency if you care enough to get your hands dirty.

I am in no way mechanically inclined in no way shape or form, I am a chef I do art and I design but don't ask me to build anything bevause I will find a way to screw it up.

 

[redeyedfrog]

Thanks everyone that's excellent information, I'm liking the Spyder and the Amare need to look at SunCloak.

 

[Hybridway]

My recent Amare run. Have 2 other threads using these lights too.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-amare-full-bore-pro-4-grow-1.929648/

Recent SunCloak Run. Have 2 other threads using this system as well.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/sun-cloak-multi-strain.929661/

They both rock!
These lights are often overlooked on this forum cuz they're not DIY or pre-fab DIY cob lights.

 

[Resinous]

Hello people. I'm loving the honesty in here. . I'm thinking about getting the Amare pro9. Or the timber 900w. Either the Vero 29 or the 3590 timber. . which one out of these panels would be better. The cree option on the timber is $300 more than the Vero 29 . Thanks everyone

 

[tstick]

I'd get the Vero setup @Resinous.

 

[BM9AGS]

Hello people. I'm loving the honesty in here. . I'm thinking about getting the Amare pro9. Or the timber 900w. Either the Vero 29 or the 3590 timber. . which one out of these panels would be better. The cree option on the timber is $300 more than the Vero 29 . Thanks everyone

The vero timber is your best bet. Then cree timber. For the amare look at the price and how many cobs you're actually getting. The amares are making much much less PPFD and I don't trust any of their advertising.

 

[Hybridway]

Hello people. I'm loving the honesty in here. . I'm thinking about getting the Amare pro9. Or the timber 900w. Either the Vero 29 or the 3590 timber. . which one out of these panels would be better. The cree option on the timber is $300 more than the Vero 29 . Thanks everyone

For the best coverage, highest PPFD & full spectrum enhanced DLI (sunlike spectrum), your best choice would actually be 2 Amare Pro-4's.
What some people overlook is that the mono arrays used to enhance the spectrum actually add up to 1 more 78w cob in umols delivered per Pro-4. But that's not just it. It's umols of an enhanced spectrum complimenting the COBs & increasing the photosynthetic efficiency of the plants Meaning, you'll get the most out of your plant cuz it's getting the light it needs to strive best. Increased morphology.
Anyone who owns Amare & Cobs can see the difference. That's why they stay with/ Amare.
Pricing is discounted so don't go by the website prices. More like $2 a watt for a premium fixture, service & warranty.
Good luck!

 

[nogod_]

Hmmm...
900w of vero29 for $1400
Or
800w of cxb3590/xpg-3 for $1700

For the record the Amare shill has never grown with an all warm-white fixture so his comparisons are to hps and a crappy hydroponics hut led fixture. A low bar indeed.

All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up.

Unless you are being hooked up with an Amare product in exchange for tireless promotion (he is), I would recommend anyone reading this avoid this company as there is significant savings to be had elsewhere.

But what do I know? Im just an "NG"

Hello people. I'm loving the honesty in here. . I'm thinking about getting the Amare pro9. Or the timber 900w. Either the Vero 29 or the 3590 timber. . which one out of these panels would be better. The cree option on the timber is $300 more than the Vero 29 . Thanks everyone

 

[sixstring2112]

Hmmm...
900w of vero29 for $1400
Or
800w of cxb3590/xpg-3 for $1700

For the record the Amare shill has never grown with an all warm-white fixture so his comparisons are to hps and a crappy hydroponics hut led fixture. A low bar indeed.

All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up.

Unless you are being hooked up with an Amare product in exchange for tireless promotion (he is), I would recommend anyone reading this avoid this company as there is significant savings to be had elsewhere.

But what do I know? Im just an "NG"

.
but the ng stands for nogod right haha

 

[Hybridway]

Hmmm...
900w of vero29 for $1400
Or
800w of cxb3590/xpg-3 for $1700

For the record the Amare shill has never grown with an all warm-white fixture so his comparisons are to hps and a crappy hydroponics hut led fixture. A low bar indeed.

All of the "full spectrum enhanced DLI" mumbo jumbo is total fiction with zero science to back it up.

Unless you are being hooked up with an Amare product in exchange for tireless promotion (he is), I would recommend anyone reading this avoid this company as there is significant savings to be had elsewhere.

But what do I know? Im just an "NG"

It's been proven in a recent study that the enhanced full spectrum is indeed what cannabis responds to best. I'll release the data as soon as I can.
I've grown w/ plain cobs by turning off my monos. Plants grow more & drink faster w/ the enhanced. Can't tell you yield differences cuz after seeing the plant response difference I didn't go full cycle.
Many notice a big difference using high CRI. Now enhance that. Even bigger difference.
Why do you think a 315 CMH can match or outperform a 600w hps? Spectrum.
It's so simple & pure logic.
Why don't you read up on DLI & enhanced DLI studies. They all show increases in plant morphology, Photosynthetic efficiency, increased yeilds & higher quality.
It's like basics 101. Why do you think your 80CRI cob does a better then 22 CRI hps? Same reason. Better spectrum.
I'm no shill & I gladly pay for my lights.
Think what you want, just shows your lack for common sense.
At least I compared mine to the industry standard HPS several times & documented the differences. Not seeing that w/ cobs.

 

[Plant Lobbyist]

3 best lights in order:

1. Light that grows plants well
2. Light that fits within budget (capital and operational)
3. Light that fits the growing environment

Companies?

The cheapest and most reputable available.
The one that can provide what you consider acceptable service.
Home Depot because it is the one place you can get everything you need to grow.