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abe supercro

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you've fucking lost it completely.
Nothing specific, ok.
You deleted the post as I predicted, however you can't delete others' posts.
What the hell are you talking about? The mods will see if I deleted anything, which I haven't. Man you're upset. You've started talking down to me for awhile now, and you have a conniption the second I give you any attitude back. Like I said, I'm giving this a rest, so calm down.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Let's be clear, more like, alcoholics. js
....snip...
1998. That's the last drink I had. And before that I had a run of another 7 years sobriety, the entire time I lived in Los Angeles. I've only drank a fraction of my adult life and I hope to never fall off the wagon. With 18 years of sobriety I'd say I don't have to worry about that, but I'll remain vigilant. Now I better understand how my alcohol sobriety is part of what bugs you about me. That and our different personalities.
 

abe supercro

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Nice correlation bineer.


Oddly somehow that magically negates any possibility that my friends and I are alcoholics. Not that there would be anything wrong with that either way.

lool
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
What is the difference between someone who drinks too much and an alcoholic? Alcohol is an addictive drug, so it would seem that simply consuming enough would make someone an alcoholic.
But that doesn't seem to be how it works...
Hi Chunky, good question. Although I lack the personal experience of the person you ask my education is in the healthcare field so allow me to take a shot at answering for you.

Essentially there are two types of addiction, (1) Physical dependence, and (2) Mental Addiction.

Physical dependence requires use of a substance (like alcohol, opiates, benzodiazepines, nicotine et cetera), that when withdrawn creates negative physical symptoms. Opiates are a great example. After a certain amount of time, and dose, the body habituates to that level of opiates. If you stop taking them you will experience withdrawal symptoms. A few of these symptoms are; piloerection, nausea, vomiting, pain, sweating and several others. The symptoms depend on the receptors the drug binds to so they vary between substances.

Mental addiction can occur with substances such as cannabis, antihistamines and behaviors such as gambling, lying, stealing et cetera. The signs of a mental addiction are increasing use without physiological requirement, hiding usage, and a compulsion to use a substance despite its negative impact on your life. Mental addiction and physical dependence frequently occur together. However it is the mental addiction component that ruins lives. Mere physical dependence is not enough.

A good example would be a contributing member of a social forum that begins making belligerent, bigoted, insane and nonsensical posts that lead to their social ostracism. Instead of moderating their behavior and discontinuing the use of the substance, or behavior, they spend multiple hours a day engaged in cleaning, editing and deleting their posts in a vain attempt to deny their disorder.
 

Singlemalt

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Hi Chunky, good question. Although I lack the personal experience of the person you ask my education is in the healthcare field so allow me to take a shot at answering for you.

Essentially there are two types of addiction, (1) Physical dependence, and (2) Mental Addiction.

Physical dependence requires use of a substance (like alcohol, opiates, benzodiazepines, nicotine et cetera), that when withdrawn creates negative physical symptoms. Opiates are a great example. After a certain amount of time, and dose, the body habituates to that level of opiates. If you stop taking them you will experience withdrawal symptoms. A few of these symptoms are; piloerection, nausea, vomiting, pain, sweating and several others. The symptoms depend on the receptors the drug binds to so they vary between substances.

Mental addiction can occur with substances such as cannabis, antihistamines and behaviors such as gambling, lying, stealing et cetera. The signs of a mental addiction are increasing use without physiological requirement, hiding usage, and a compulsion to use a substance despite its negative impact on your life. Mental addiction and physical dependence frequently occur together. However it is the mental addiction component that ruins lives. Mere physical dependence is not enough.

A good example would be a contributing member of a social forum that begins making belligerent, bigoted, insane and nonsensical posts that lead to their social ostracism. Instead of moderating their behavior and discontinuing the use of the substance, or behavior, they spend multiple hours a day engaged in cleaning, editing and deleting their posts in a vain attempt to deny their disorder.
LOL
 

Chunky Stool

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Hi Chunky, good question. Although I lack the personal experience of the person you ask my education is in the healthcare field so allow me to take a shot at answering for you.

Essentially there are two types of addiction, (1) Physical dependence, and (2) Mental Addiction.

Physical dependence requires use of a substance (like alcohol, opiates, benzodiazepines, nicotine et cetera), that when withdrawn creates negative physical symptoms. Opiates are a great example. After a certain amount of time, and dose, the body habituates to that level of opiates. If you stop taking them you will experience withdrawal symptoms. A few of these symptoms are; piloerection, nausea, vomiting, pain, sweating and several others. The symptoms depend on the receptors the drug binds to so they vary between substances.

Mental addiction can occur with substances such as cannabis, antihistamines and behaviors such as gambling, lying, stealing et cetera. The signs of a mental addiction are increasing use without physiological requirement, hiding usage, and a compulsion to use a substance despite its negative impact on your life. Mental addiction and physical dependence frequently occur together. However it is the mental addiction component that ruins lives. Mere physical dependence is not enough.

A good example would be a contributing member of a social forum that begins making belligerent, bigoted, insane and nonsensical posts that lead to their social ostracism. Instead of moderating their behavior and discontinuing the use of the substance, or behavior, they spend multiple hours a day engaged in cleaning, editing and deleting their posts in a vain attempt to deny their disorder.
Thanks for the reply C2G.
I also believe that individuals are "tuned" for vulnerabilities to specific substances. For example, I smoked for a long time but quitting wasn't a big deal. I did it cold turkey and never looked back. Even at my peak of "addiction", I didn't freak out when I ran out of smokes.
HOWEVER...
I know some folks who are hooked on nicotine to the max. It's like their own personal crack.
There was also a time in my life when I drank... a LOT. So much that my friends told me that I might have a problem. So I checked out AA, addiction in general, etc. and discovered that even though I definitely drank too much booze, alcohol wasn't my weakness. I quit drinking for a while, just in case. No big deal. Now I drink, but not nearly as much.
I've tried meth, which people say will hook you the first time.
Nope. Not my thing.
Now I'm rambling...

What are your thoughts?
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
Thanks for the reply C2G.
I also believe that individuals are "tuned" for vulnerabilities to specific substances. For example, I smoked for a long time but quitting wasn't a big deal. I did it cold turkey and never looked back. Even at my peak of "addiction", I didn't freak out when I ran out of smokes.
HOWEVER...
I know some folks who are hooked on nicotine to the max. It's like their own personal crack.
There was also a time in my life when I drank... a LOT. So much that my friends told me that I might have a problem. So I checked out AA, addiction in general, etc. and discovered that even though I definitely drank too much booze, alcohol wasn't my weakness. I quit drinking for a while, just in case. No big deal. Now I drink, but not nearly as much.
I've tried meth, which people say will hook you the first time.
Nope. Not my thing.
Now I'm rambling...

What are your thoughts?
That is the mental component I was speaking of. Some people simply do not have it.
 

Bob Zmuda

Well-Known Member
Hi Chunky, good question. Although I lack the personal experience of the person you ask my education is in the healthcare field so allow me to take a shot at answering for you.

Essentially there are two types of addiction, (1) Physical dependence, and (2) Mental Addiction.

Physical dependence requires use of a substance (like alcohol, opiates, benzodiazepines, nicotine et cetera), that when withdrawn creates negative physical symptoms. Opiates are a great example. After a certain amount of time, and dose, the body habituates to that level of opiates. If you stop taking them you will experience withdrawal symptoms. A few of these symptoms are; piloerection, nausea, vomiting, pain, sweating and several others. The symptoms depend on the receptors the drug binds to so they vary between substances.

Mental addiction can occur with substances such as cannabis, antihistamines and behaviors such as gambling, lying, stealing et cetera. The signs of a mental addiction are increasing use without physiological requirement, hiding usage, and a compulsion to use a substance despite its negative impact on your life. Mental addiction and physical dependence frequently occur together. However it is the mental addiction component that ruins lives. Mere physical dependence is not enough.

A good example would be a contributing member of a social forum that begins making belligerent, bigoted, insane and nonsensical posts that lead to their social ostracism. Instead of moderating their behavior and discontinuing the use of the substance, or behavior, they spend multiple hours a day engaged in cleaning, editing and deleting their posts in a vain attempt to deny their disorder.
I literally cannot stop laughing right now. Tears and all. :)
 

UncleBuck

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What is the difference between someone who drinks too much and an alcoholic? Alcohol is an addictive drug, so it would seem that simply consuming enough would make someone an alcoholic.
But that doesn't seem to be how it works...
the DSM doesn't have the word "alcoholic" in it, but it does list criteria for abuse/dependence to any sort of substance whatsoever:


substance abuse criteria:

A. A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by one (or more) of the following, occurring within a 12-month period:
  1. recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home
  2. recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous
  3. recurrent substance-related legal problems
  4. continued substance use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused by or exacerbated by the effects of the substance
B. The symptoms have never met the criteria for substance dependence for this class of substance.




substance dependence criteria:

A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring within a 12-month period:
  1. Tolerance, as defined by either of the following:
    • a. a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve intoxication or desired effect
    • b. markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance
  2. Withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following:
    • a. the characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance (refer to Criteria A and B of the criteria set for opioid withdrawal)
    • b. the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms
  3. The substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended.
  4. There is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use.
  5. A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance, use the substance, or recover from its effects.
  6. Important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use.
  7. The substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance.
Specify if:

With Physiological Dependence: evidence of tolerance or withdrawal

Without Physiological Dependence: no evidence of tolerance or withdrawal
 
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