Was Lee Harvey Oswald framed?

Jimdamick

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A memo written by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, released among 2,800 declassified records relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, has shown how in the days after Lee Harvey Oswald was shot, the FBI planned to convince the public that he was the real assassin as soon as possible.

In the document, dictated shortly after Oswald was shot by Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby, Hoover explains how both he and then-Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach were concerned that Oswald should be established as the president’s killer as a matter of urgency.

“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin,” Hoover said in the 1963 memo.

The former FBI director went on to explain that establishing which facts could and could not be made public was important because of the possible foreign policy implications.“There are several aspects which would complicate our foreign relations,” Hoover says in the memo.

These were namely that the FBI was aware Oswald had contacted both the Cuban embassy in Mexico City and the Soviet Embassy in Washington. Hoover explained that having the interception of these messages—one of them to the “man in the Soviet Embassy in charge of assassinations and similar activities on the part of the Soviet government”—made public would have “muddied the waters internationally.”

Both communications were deemed unimportant by Hoover with regard to the Kennedy assassination but did show the U.S. was breaking diplomatic protocols that preclude eavesdropping on foreign embassies.

The Hoover memo also complains about the amount of information about the shooting being made available to the press through Dallas police. “We want them to shut up,” Hoover said.

I want to see more information, like the CIA's files, that would be really interesting to see, like why with all the surveillance, somehow a known defector who had just came back from the USSR, and maintained contacts with both the Cubans and the Soviets was able to walk around and not brought in for questioning?

Somebody, like Hoover especially it seems, fucked up big time.

I never felt like Oswald was the shooter, or at least the only shooter, like why did he use a rifle that could be directly traced back to him and leave it, shoot from his workplace, and run?

Too where?

Something also that always bothered me was the 2 hit's with 3 shots at a moving target at almost a 100 yards in less than 6 seconds, with a shit bolt action rifle?

One guy?

I don't believe it.

 

tangerinegreen555

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Best book you can read on the subject.

The evidence is overwhelming.

I was 9 the day he got shot. I believed the conspiracy shit for 25 years because I couldn't believe it was one guy.

Fortunately, I remained objective and kept studying.

You want the truth? It's in this book. Every single conspiracy book and video has been debunked for decades.

I'm an amateur expert on the subject.

Ask me anything.
 

tangerinegreen555

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There was the Zapruder film. And 8 (eight) other home movies shot of the motorcade that day.

Computer animation didn't exist in 1963.

In the '80's, they used all 9 home movies to create the computer animation that blew holes in conspiracy theories.

The Warren Commission was 99.9% correct. They fucked up the timing of the shots.
 

Fogdog

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Best book you can read on the subject.

The evidence is overwhelming.

I was 9 the day he got shot. I believed the conspiracy shit for 25 years because I couldn't believe it was one guy.

Fortunately, I remained objective and kept studying.

You want the truth? It's in this book. Every single conspiracy book and video has been debunked for decades.

I'm an amateur expert on the subject.

Ask me anything.
Totally agree. Flat earth and moon landing conspiracies and now JFK. When is @ttystikk going to show up to talk about the Sarin gas conspiracy theory that was totally debunked this week?
 

Fogdog

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A memo written by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, released among 2,800 declassified records relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, has shown how in the days after Lee Harvey Oswald was shot, the FBI planned to convince the public that he was the real assassin as soon as possible.

In the document, dictated shortly after Oswald was shot by Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby, Hoover explains how both he and then-Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach were concerned that Oswald should be established as the president’s killer as a matter of urgency.

“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin,” Hoover said in the 1963 memo.

The former FBI director went on to explain that establishing which facts could and could not be made public was important because of the possible foreign policy implications.“There are several aspects which would complicate our foreign relations,” Hoover says in the memo.

These were namely that the FBI was aware Oswald had contacted both the Cuban embassy in Mexico City and the Soviet Embassy in Washington. Hoover explained that having the interception of these messages—one of them to the “man in the Soviet Embassy in charge of assassinations and similar activities on the part of the Soviet government”—made public would have “muddied the waters internationally.”

Both communications were deemed unimportant by Hoover with regard to the Kennedy assassination but did show the U.S. was breaking diplomatic protocols that preclude eavesdropping on foreign embassies.

The Hoover memo also complains about the amount of information about the shooting being made available to the press through Dallas police. “We want them to shut up,” Hoover said.

I want to see more information, like the CIA's files, that would be really interesting to see, like why with all the surveillance, somehow a known defector who had just came back from the USSR, and maintained contacts with both the Cubans and the Soviets was able to walk around and not brought in for questioning?

Somebody, like Hoover especially it seems, fucked up big time.

I never felt like Oswald was the shooter, or at least the only shooter, like why did he use a rifle that could be directly traced back to him and leave it, shoot from his workplace, and run?

Too where?

Something also that always bothered me was the 2 hit's with 3 shots at a moving target at almost a 100 yards in less than 6 seconds, with a shit bolt action rifle?

One guy?

I don't believe it.

Have at it big guy. Dig in and research it. When I read what you said about Hoover, it can be interpreted as something other than sinister. In fact, it sounded to me that Hoover didn't want a fake conspiracy industry to be born from Oswald's lone action. For the first time ever I find I can agree with Hoover over something.

Mind blown.
 

tangerinegreen555

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Totally agree. Flat earth and moon landing conspiracies and now JFK. When is @ttystikk going to show up to talk about the Sarin gas conspiracy theory that was totally debunked this week?
I always felt the JFK conspiracy started them all.

I'm sure there were flat earthers before that, but you never really heard about them before the computer age.

People trusted the government during the JFK years. That changed with LBJ big time with Viet Nam.

Now everything is a conspiracy and stupid people believe anything they see on YT.
 

Fogdog

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I always felt the JFK conspiracy started them all.

I'm sure there were flat earthers before that, but you never really heard about them before the computer age.

People trusted the government during the JFK years. That changed with LBJ big time with Viet Nam.

Now everything is a conspiracy and stupid people believe anything they see on YT.
Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen in order to get the people of the US behind the war.
Black people are conspiring with Hitler to take over the south
Let's not forget about McCarthy's red scare of the fifties.

I think there was never a time when conspiracy theories weren't held. The difference is how easy it is to circulate them nowadays.
 

tangerinegreen555

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Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen in order to get the people of the US behind the war.
Black people are conspiring with Hitler to take over the south
Let's not forget about McCarthy's red scare of the fifties.

I think there was never a time when conspiracy theories weren't held. The difference is how easy it is to circulate them nowadays.
I must have missed the 2nd one.

Never heard that before.
 

Unclebaldrick

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All you really need to do is find some isolated fact that might seem "unusual" and make a big deal out of it.

I recently was talking to somebody and they brought up the 9/11 fact that one of the terrorists' passports was found. "do they think we are stupid?" she asked. No, they know you are. Everything has to go somewhere.

Kind of like the bullet found on the gurney. It is unusual. But there it is.
 

Budget Buds

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Yeah LHO was framed to cloak the guy's involved higher up who wanted an increased ground force in nam, As opposed to JFK and the cum a lot cew who were going to disband the cia and pull out of jackie o and nam
 

schuylaar

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Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen in order to get the people of the US behind the war.
Black people are conspiring with Hitler to take over the south
Let's not forget about McCarthy's red scare of the fifties.

I think there was never a time when conspiracy theories weren't held. The difference is how easy it is to circulate them nowadays.
paul is dead:wink:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead

i googled my suspicions..and sure enough:
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-found-a-link-between-low-intelligence-and-believing-philosophical-quotes

then i had another thought and, well, you be the judge:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/brains-and-belief-arent-mutually-exclusive.html
 
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schuylaar

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All you really need to do is find some isolated fact that might seem "unusual" and make a big deal out of it.

I recently was talking to somebody and they brought up the 9/11 fact that one of the terrorists' passports was found. "do they think we are stupid?" she asked. No, they know you are. Everything has to go somewhere.

Kind of like the bullet found on the gurney. It is unusual. But there it is.
what does a found passport mean?
 

londonfog

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Any attempt to change how the American dollar is backed can get you killed ask Gadhafi or Hussein. Gadhafi’s plan to quit selling Libyan oil in USA dollar, demanding payment instead in gold-backed “dinars” assured his date with death. Hussein's error was his decision to price its oil in euros rather than USA dollars. Both Killed by USA. Do we need to talk about Syria.
Kennedy but his final nail in coffin by Executive order 11110. Hell even Lincolns greenbacks helped to put a bullet in his head. In short do not fuck with the US dollar or you will soon be dead.
 

schuylaar

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Best book you can read on the subject.

The evidence is overwhelming.

I was 9 the day he got shot. I believed the conspiracy shit for 25 years because I couldn't believe it was one guy.

Fortunately, I remained objective and kept studying.

You want the truth? It's in this book. Every single conspiracy book and video has been debunked for decades.

I'm an amateur expert on the subject.

Ask me anything.
two things they kept questioning..his falling forward and her trying to 'escape'.

clearly in the film above his head did snap back, but because he was dead and from the momentum of the snap back, he fell forward.

her trying to escape was actually sad and bittersweet as she was not trying to get out of line of fire (although who could blame her if this was the case) ..according to agent paige (the guy on the trunk of the limo) she was trying to gather his pieces of brain splattered on the trunk. you can also see in the film she is picking up gesture with her hands.
 
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