Greenpoint seeds!!

[ahlkemist]

I can't speak to GPS as I haven't yet grown any but maybe you need to adapt your growing style to be more compatabile with your needs. Have you considered scrog or other means to keep them shorter? How is you space set up? While genetics plays a roll your set up may also contribute to your plants stretching out rather than encouraging tight node spacing. Could try flowering sooner....

I am sure you have considered this stuff but I thought thst I would mention it.

I flowered them ALL at 14inches.
Problem is exactly that, working with the gear I have. Tried sog twice unsuccessfully. Never did a REALscrog but probably the way I need to go, or a proper sog maybe.I think I need a stronger light and THAT'S it. I supplement and know its lighted decent. I run a 400hps w a blue tube grow light underneath and 2 50w 150equiv cfl on the ends.the thing is I got bandit , chinook and doc along with 2 sour bubble and 2 lifesaver.
The bog gear stayed compact through out, so maybe it's just the environment and the stardawg genetic just growing to "adult"

I want to put 40 chinook or 40 doc down.
So far Doc is the chunkiest and most impressive.

Trying so desperately for a compact yielder, it can go med/tall IF it's compact.

 

[ahlkemist]

@ahlkemist https://www.rollitup.org/f/stealth-micro-cab-growing.125/

I always thought about micro but thought I was bigger than that, or not small enough rather. Like how the fk do you get a lb consistently in a micro. I know there is killer miracle grows around. I'm not bubbleponics or hydro. But I try to train very hard, everything possible, I KNOW I use to crank the fan and get that light too close. But learned it was killin me bc of spread...

 

[hillbill]

Topping very early is extremely helpful, plants look like bonsai trees. Search Mainlining maybe. Make sure your bulb is fresh. A fresh $10 Sylvania or GE is better than a horti this or Super that that's more than a few months old. Switch to COBs or boards as soon as you can.

 

[Ryry94]

@ahlkemist. Seeds aint your problem. Do you think a breeder is going to wait four months to grow out a large number and report back with results before releasing a new seed crop.

You are 100% right, we buy seeds not a lesson on how to grow. But the breeder should absolutely be testing before selling, otherwise it’s a crap shoot and real growers won’t come back for more shit seeds. Greenpoint is on point for sure.

 

[ahlkemist]

excessive stretch is sometimes a response to environmental conditions. The vegging plant will continue to "stretch" but thats really just growing up. She can get to a a massive tree size if lighting and resources are provided before stretching/growing.

In flower I've got dozens of different @ Gu~ strains in different stages. I have some like Chinook that I expect to be taller than the rest maybe, so I flower those much earlier/younger than I would the others. (I dont like the weed but the frikken oil is over the top in flavor and stone, uncanny candied tangerines for sure))This makes their flowering stretch/growth spurt only even out with my desired canopy. Not always guaranteed with new unknown selections but they all will listen to your habits. With these Chem lines I expect to see both indica and sativa expressions in seed packs. Once I get to know her I tell her how tall and wide to grow for my fit.

RH/temps/light quality/quantity/air exchange/c02 is often the culprit when I've seen unusual stretch indoors. I cant rec Raindance enough(as you know). I find one tall unruly and one short fat fast in my seed pack. I killed the unruly one though it would stand net to any with flavor and stone. Copper Chem will be unruly for you I think.

I do track temp and humidity and even use a vpd chart.
I'm using the same methods that always proved decent. VERY similar to what you just said.

On a side note, I have 3 raindance vegging just bc of you! Still not sexd.
So glad I did.

 

[ahlkemist]

I have a Dynamite Diesel that is blooming with a Black Gold. While the BG is lanky, the Dynamite Diesel is short and bushy in structure. Nice chunkbuds and smelling fuely today. Hibernate is shorter also. Night Rider has leaned a little stretchier for me.

As good as Gu's stuff is I would find a way to make it work.

That's why I'm trying to reach out so hard. I know id like better yield and could adapt sog or the likes. I'm using My tried and true ways. So what I feel after reading chemphlem comments is regardless of ANY thing, I need to figure out what they don't like and adapt.
Usually they grow how I pre set them to be. 90% of growing this plant is prep.
My habits dictates the path she will follow. So even though I could conquer the cut of sour diesel stretch I had, I am being slayin by stardawg lol.
Im just hoping things fill out bc my head isn't a safe place atm.

 

[ahlkemist]

My topped black gold and dynamite didn't get over 4 ft. Black gold was the shorter of the two. Black gold untopped still sat below 4 ft. That's in 7 gal containers soil under a bit over 400 watts cob
As you can see results may vary

Thank you!!! That's wonderful to hear.
Funny BG was my first selection with the gps stardawg but never got it sadly. I wanted it so bad but didn't work out. Still desire her terribly.

 

[ahlkemist]

@ahlkemist. Seeds aint your problem. Read up on some plant training techniques before you trade away excellent seed. If your space is really limited flip to 12/12 sooner. Maybe autoflowers are your thing. Fast growing, strong plants is not a considered a bad problem. As far as adding info to packs. Almost every breeder adds limited info. Why? Because people consider it a promise of sorts. Some breeders send out testers of strains but for the most part you are getting a new seed crop. Do you think a breeder is going to wait four months to grow out a large number and report back with results before releasing a new seed crop.

They should and that's My 2 cents. Always felt that way As well.

And it's not the packs, I think what details description are there are half good besides phenotype. I also think after searching extensively that what is available online is extremely limited THAT is what I'm getting at. I've tried, I've done sho so much home work. Granted I don't sit at a computer and waste away.

 

[ahlkemist]

Topping very early is extremely helpful, plants look like bonsai trees. Search Mainlining maybe. Make sure your bulb is fresh. A fresh $10 Sylvania or GE is better than a horti this or Super that that's more than a few months old. Switch to COBs or boards as soon as you can.

I just changed my bulb and ALL plants were mainline on the 2nd node into 4 mains. 1st node is used for clone.

I have zero knowledge on cobs. Have done no research other than visually looking at them in pictures.
I was thinking, Some day when I get a yield LMAO to pay for itself... BC I need a 5x5 desperately. i wanted a spectrum king.

 

[hillbill]

I just changed my bulb and ALL plants were mainline on the 2nd node into 4 mains. 1st node is used for clone.

Your doin' a lot of right things! Hang in there!

 

[higher self]

Hey @hillbill are you still using cree cobs at 3000K 90 CRI if im not mistaken? I just upgraded my 4x2 with 5 of them & they defiantly kick major ass! Plants looks much happier than in the old burple lights & even cheap roleadro cxb3070 fixture.

I usually sog all the various plants I have & it works out well @ahlkemist I also like to pinch stems over than topping plants. Im goin to ditch he sog grows in awhile & grow a few bushes instead & supercropping is how im going to do it no matter how the plant grows. Tho some plants like OG have that long spacing between nodes they can be harder to bush out.

 

[ahlkemist]

Your doin' a lot of right things! Hang in there!

Thank you for the encouragement. It's so frustrating. I'm also really serious about dropping 40 chinook or doc

 

[naiveCon]

Thank you for the encouragement. It's so frustrating. I'm also really serious about dropping 40 chinook or doc

Plus... don't overthink it, just keep it simple !!

 

[hillbill]

My COBs are 3500k but my first choice would be 3000k 90cri from all the info and grows I see posted. Might be a better match for us Humans and the COBs are Vero and Citizen. Veros are 80 cri.

 

[higher self]

My COBs are 3500k but my first choice would be 3000k 90cri from all the info and grows I see posted. Might be a better match for us Humans and the COBs are Vero and Citizen. Veros are 80 cri.

Got ya! I was doing some reading before I got my new lights & came across some of your post guess I read it a bit wrong lol. I saw some of the threads comparing the 90 cri. Im going to get some vero’s for my other tent next, damn cree setup is why I dont have any extra cash for 666 deal but I can complain these cobs are awesome!

 

[naiveCon]

If you guys are in the market for new cob, keep an eye on Timber grow lights.
I was totally baffled by all the light choices when I got into this but a couple quick emails to Timber and they set me up with a nice 3000k Vero kit rather inexpensive and then I built my own frame.

 

[higher self]

If you guys are in the market for new cob, keep an eye on Timber grow lights.
I was totally baffled by all the light choices when I got into this but a couple quick emails to Timber and they set me up with a nice 3000k Vero kit rather inexpensive and then I built my own frame.

I was checking them out as well but went with rapidled diy parts. Then built a frame for less than $15. IMO all the premade already wired stuff is a ripoff. Wiring is so easy especially with the chip holders these days. I saved around $120 & got a better driver than what timber offers for same setup. The framed version is another $100.

IMO once you build one or two its a cake walk, I’ve e nearly switched all my lights to diy leds. Pricy but im putting my power usage to very good use now.

 

[Bakersfield]

What's the absolute shortest green point strain any one with experience please!?

I'm growing frustrated to say the least.
There is zero true information. Every reach out has been left in either one word response or ignored as if im asking an unspeakable.

I select the best full circle looking plant aesthetically and then shortest. Not always the shortest in the pack but usually.
Again
Bandit breath is towering almost 5 ft. Short?
Doc holiday rite with her.
I've tried both "short" and there is nothing short about it.
Funny I thought it's an additive for a while, Not genetic. Then realizing I forgot that i stacked 3 7inch risers under a lifesaver. She stands even with the rest for a level canopy.
I need compact. Idk what to even do it's making me spin confused, questioning stupid now.
I cull the most stretched as im waiting for sex to show.
Has gu not grown out his own f1s??!?
It seems stardawg it's to stretchie for me and I'm thinking super dumb, seems Stardawg and crosses are NOT for me what so ever.
Guys im struggling really hard. Thinking I have like a dozen and a half packs that I can't use. Id LOVE to but can't run 30 plants for numbers. Like 10/12 good solid mid size, 4 big, like now these 4 look like a god damn car sitting there.
Any positive thoughts or constructive criticism is welcome. imma trade ALL my gps packs for 1 compact... LOL jk but seriously im considering turning my garden off ALL together after this... THAT'S how frazzled I am...
Not complaining, I'm asking and reaching out for help. I sincerely want to see this and stick to it.
I threw out over 5 yrs of work. All my keepers to refill w gps.I'm east coast non legal state and that label don't help get anything.
H e l p

Gunslinger was funky, dank, very squat, and done in 8-9 weeks. A 1 1/2x to 2x stretcher.

I'm an avid supercropper, high stress trainer for height control. I like to believe it makes my plants more potent, but i Idk.

 

[hillbill]

The Deputy and Hickok just got here from The Pony Express!

 

[LubdaNugs]

Had to order Blizzard Bush, $21 shipped, couldn’t pass it up.