Is this a russet mite?

[NugHeuser]

This is at 60x magnification. I can see it with the naked eye. I can't make out the legs or anything but I can see it sitting there.
It's sitting on the top of a leaf at mid level, exposed to light. Not moving either.
It looks like a russet mite to me but I'm a noob, what do you guys think?

The first picture is the mite in question that I found on my plant. The second is a googled image of russet mites.

 

[legalcanada]

if you can see it with your naked eye it's not a russet mite, probably a spider mite. russet mites you cant even really see with 30x

 

[SPLFreak808]

Kind of looks like young spider mites to me.

Look up "amblyseius californicus"

 

[NugHeuser]

if you can see it with your naked eye it's not a russet mite, probably a spider mite. russet mites you cant even really see with 30x

Yeah it was probably half the size of the head of a ball point pin. I was just able to see that there was a speck on the leaf. Do those balls in the pic around it look like eggs to you?

Whatever it is, it causes symtoms that appear like heavy heat stress, my temps were getting as high as 85 and the plants look wrecked by heat stress at the end of each light cycle. The last two days I've managed to drop temps to upper 70s for highs and they're still showing some symtoms of heat stress which is strange because the temps aren't high and the leaf edges cupping up are symtoms of broad/russet mites.

Maybe I have both spider and russet?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

well, you definitely have spider mites, so treat for those, get rid of them, and see what happens with the other symptoms.
what kind of RH are you keeping in your grow room? low rh along with spider mites can cause the symptoms you describe

 

[NugHeuser]

well, you definitely have spider mites, so treat for those, get rid of them, and see what happens with the other symptoms.
what kind of RH are you keeping in your grow room? low rh along with spider mites can cause the symptoms you describe

My rh the last two days I've dropped to about 50% because I read that high rh speeds developement of russet/broad mites, which is what I'd been suspecting. But up until then it stayed between 56 to 65% for the most part

 

[NugHeuser]

Yeah considering size, what I found is much too large to be russet or broad mites I'm thinking.
Looking like I also have spider mites.

The good news is I'm starting spinosad treatment tonight and I have some forbid f4 that i orderer lastnight on the way and should be here the 2nd.

War time.

 

[NugHeuser]

Also my plants pots are sitting on panda film in the grow area but the grow area is just a 4x9.5 that is in a 9x9.5 room that is carpeted. Is that going to add extra difficulty in getting rid of these pests, like can they hid in the carpet? It's short, coarse carpet.
Do I need to spray the carpet as well?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

no, i wouldn't worry about the carpet, but it couldn't hurt to vacuum around the edge of your panda film after you spray.

 

[Gumdrawp]

Also my plants pots are sitting on panda film in the grow area but the grow area is just a 4x9.5 that is in a 9x9.5 room that is carpeted. Is that going to add extra difficulty in getting rid of these pests, like can they hid in the carpet? It's short, coarse carpet.
Do I need to spray the carpet as well?

Diatomaceous earth in the carpet and top dress your pots. Definitely treat for mites, use more than one product and rotate for at least 2 weeks if possible. Carpet in the grow room sucks ass. Think about getting a pond liner and stapling it along the walls, this will also help with spills, and overflows if you end up doing hydro or running a res.

 

[NugHeuser]

Diatomaceous earth in the carpet and top dress your pots. Definitely treat for mites, use more than one product and rotate for at least 2 weeks if possible. Carpet in the grow room sucks ass. Think about getting a pond liner and stapling it along the walls, this will also help with spills, and overflows if you end up doing hydro or running a res.

Yeah I already have spinosad and neem oil. I have forbid f4 on its way in the mail. From every single review I've read that forbid is some killer stuff. Do you think rotation of the 3 will be enough?

And with spinosad they say you should wait 5 days between sprays, but would it hurt to spray neem in between those off days atleast for one or two sprays in between so that several days aren't going by without a spray?

Also I have a couple bags of diatomacous earth just sitting around waiting to be used so I'll sprinkle it all over the carpet.

 

[Gumdrawp]

Yeah I already have spinosad and neem oil. I have forbid f4 on its way in the mail. From every single review I've read that forbid is some killer stuff. Do you think rotation of the 3 will be enough?

Also with spinosad they say you should wait 5 days between sprays, but would it hurt to spray neem in between those off days atleast for one or two sprays in between so that several days aren't going by without a spray?

Alternate treatments in 3 day intervals, you can shop vac your plants to suck them up too, I've been told the bristle attachments work well.

Some old school guys I know have submerged their plants in their tubs for a few minutes.

You can gas them with co2 and trash bags but be extremely careful doing this as leakage could be very bad for you. Really much more viable in a sealed room that you can vent.

 

[NugHeuser]

Yeah so far I havent found any other spider mites though and I've went and checked a few times so I'm thinking it's pretty good timing.

From everything I've read it sounds like rotation of pesticides is key to eliminating mites.

As long as a guy stays on top of treatments every 3 days for a couple weeks and rotating a few different types of pesticides is it pretty easy to get rid of mites?

 

[Gumdrawp]

Yeah so far I havent found any other spider mites though and I've went and checked a few times so I'm thinking it's pretty good timing.

From everything I've read it sounds like rotation of pesticides is key to eliminating mites.

As long as a guy stays on top of treatments every 3 days for a couple weeks and rotating a few different types of pesticides is it pretty easy to get rid of mites?

Eggs can play dormant for a long time. A couple weeks is good and will likely get rid of the problem but I would treat regularly in veg for a few months to be sure, probably would treat in bloom up until buds start to form as well. It sucks to be mid week 8 and walk into webs on your colas because you slacked.

At this point it's all aboiut vigilance and routine.

 

[a mongo frog]

I have forbid f4 on its way in the mail.

Be careful with that. Supposed to be some really strong stuff that nothing will live through. Wear a respirator and gloves right? If your in flower cancel the order. Good photography by the way.

 

[NugHeuser]

Be careful with that. Supposed to be some really strong stuff that nothing will live through. Wear a respirator and gloves right? If your in flower cancel the order. Good photography by the way.

Yes I will bring a respirator home from work and I have gloves. Still in veg, plants are anywhere from about 8" to 14". I have another few weeks until I was wanting to flower but of coarse I will not flower until I'm confident the pests are gone

 

[NugHeuser]

Be careful with that. Supposed to be some really strong stuff that nothing will live through. Wear a respirator and gloves right? If your in flower cancel the order. Good photography by the way.

Would the cheap paper respirator work or do you think I need a higher grade respirator such as the ones that have the disposable fittings that attach around the cheaks?
I have both at work but would be easier because of less questions asked by my fellow employees about why I'm taking a respirator home if I can just take the fabric one home in my pocket.

It's not a stealing thing, we are welcome to equipment, its just that everybody is nosey and gives everybody shit around the place, plus my step dad is the foreman and knows nothing about this.

If you think the higher grade respirator is necessary I'll come up with an excuse about taking it though, not a huge biggie

 

[NugHeuser]

Eggs can play dormant for a long time. A couple weeks is good and will likely get rid of the problem but I would treat regularly in veg for a few months to be sure, probably would treat in bloom up until buds start to form as well. It sucks to be mid week 8 and walk into webs on your colas because you slacked.

At this point it's all aboiut vigilance and routine.

Do any of those balls in the first pic I posted look like eggs to you? I really can't tell the difference between eggs and resin glands..

 

[natureboygrower]

Would the cheap paper respirator work or do you think I need a higher grade respirator such as the ones that have the disposable fittings that attach around the cheaks?
I have both at work but would be easier because of less questions asked by my fellow employees about why I'm taking a respirator home if I can just take the fabric one home in my pocket.

It's not a stealing thing, we are welcome to equipment, its just that everybody is nosey and gives everybody shit around the place, plus my step dad is the foreman and knows nothing about this.

If you think the higher grade respirator is necessary I'll come up with an excuse about taking it though, not a huge biggie

the paper ones are for dust.id go with the real deal can respirators if you can get your hands on one.good luck bro,you made me anxious about my grow lol.i hope you get the fuckas

 

[NugHeuser]

Lol thanks man. They came out of no where. Same room as my previous grow, no mites then that I knew of. Plants are 3 and a half weeks old and been stressed pretty good for about 2 weeks.
Showing heat stress at the upper 70s, I'm thinking I also have some russet or broad mites but I just haven't discovered them yet. I have a stronger scope showing up in the mail tomorrow so then I'll know for sure.
As far as the spider mites go, I have a buddy that asked for some help about a month or two ago because he was absolutely infested with spider mites and he's an old school dude that dont get on the internet or anything so he had no idea what they were or what to do and I had some spinosad so I tried helping him out. I'm wondering if maybe I tracked some back with me.