pitbulls

Biggravy22

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Gotta address that peeing thing first I think. That's a dog that's a bit fearful and needs to know that you will be back. He's a rescue, right?
Yeah we adopted him in may. That's it. It's fear. When we first got him he would get so scared when we'd go to pet him on his head like we were going to slap him. He got the point that we weren't but we think his owner was almost too firm with him.
 

Sunnysideup

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I have monkey eyes in my house too. I know they have to go but I feel bad for the little man....the other day my friend was over and she asked what I planned to do...breed or neuter....I told her neuter and then she said are you going to do it yourself? I was like wtf.....then she went on to tell me that people do it at home by tying rubber bands around their balls and eventually they just fall off!!! Gross, I made an appt that day with my vet!

haha i see it too, those monkey eyes aint gonna be there much longer. i just feel guilty a little bit. i at least would like him to have fun once before they go.:fire:
 

BreatheSmoke

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I have monkey eyes in my house too. I know they have to go but I feel bad for the little man....the other day my friend was over and she asked what I planned to do...breed or neuter....I told her neuter and then she said are you going to do it yourself? I was like wtf.....then she went on to tell me that people do it at home by tying rubber bands around their balls and eventually they just fall off!!! Gross, I made an appt that day with my vet!

That is plain cruel.. I hope your friend doesn't own any animals...
 

mastakoosh

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[quote="SICC";1411984]lol i kno, but it seem everything i reply to some one tries to argure with me, my bad[/quote] its there for all of us. people love to argue their opinions(especially on here). no matter what you discuss on here people will argue it. it seems as though this thread has stayed civil for the most part. people have done a good job with their point of view without getting too heated.:leaf:
 

fdd2blk

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I have monkey eyes in my house too. I know they have to go but I feel bad for the little man....the other day my friend was over and she asked what I planned to do...breed or neuter....I told her neuter and then she said are you going to do it yourself? I was like wtf.....then she went on to tell me that people do it at home by tying rubber bands around their balls and eventually they just fall off!!! Gross, I made an appt that day with my vet!
that's how i did mine. my wife has them on her key chain now. :bigjoint:
 

BreatheSmoke

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People do that with dogs' tails too... They wrap a tiny rubber band around the base of the tail and just let it rot off... Sick... It's putting the dog at risk for serious infection. If you can't afford to take your pet to the vet for things like that, then you shouldn't have a pet in the first place. Bottom line.
 

mastakoosh

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I have monkey eyes in my house too. I know they have to go but I feel bad for the little man....the other day my friend was over and she asked what I planned to do...breed or neuter....I told her neuter and then she said are you going to do it yourself? I was like wtf.....then she went on to tell me that people do it at home by tying rubber bands around their balls and eventually they just fall off!!! Gross, I made an appt that day with my vet!
yeah i have heard of that. i bet that was the main method back in the day. god i couldnt do that to something, my own set would ache just watching it.:-(
 

Seamaiden

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No. He's very good when we leave. He stands there and watches us go. No barking, no crying...nothing. When we walk in he get's excited and hops up on us. I tell him off and he goes down, but when he goes down he get's probably an inch off the floor, then you hear the stream hit. But what's funny I think his previous owner was VERY strict to him, almost abusive because if we yell at him he crates himself. He'll walk into his crate and lay down.
He knows that his crate is a safe spot. Still, the dog that wets is having issues. I assume that he doesn't actually need to go to the bathroom, right? Hazel pees in very specific areas in the house (it's why she's not allowed in without my direct supervision, she's got a bladder the size of a racehorse). She pees right at the entrance to my father-in-law's bedroom and my son's bedroom. All they ever do is pet her and play with her, and she does it within minutes of being allowed inside. This, for her, is clearly a dominance behavior because as far as she's concerned they haven't got a pack leader and we need one, so she'll step up to the plate.

It sounds like Moose is excited, but I think there's something more to it and I can't say with certainty without seeing it. Very passive dogs are more difficult for me to work with, probably because I do tend to naturally be dominant.

I would try a desensitization technique with him. Practice leaving and coming back. Start with very short periods of time at first, a few seconds if that's what it takes, and then come back. Do not greet him when you return, just pretend he isn't there. NO eye contact, not even a flicker, they see it instantly. Then keep extending the time you're "gone". That, along with calm, low voices when you greet him should be a good start. When he's in the mental state that you want, you reward that with attention. I prefer this to using negative reinforcement, especially with a dog who's got a history of possible abuse.

Hazel had the same problem, she'd been turned in twice and she STILL cowers at anything that resembles a stick. Even a paper towel tube. Fear-based aggression is easier to deal with than real dominance aggression for me, though it can be tough to work through the fear. But he's already got a pretty good start with you and your wife I think.
 

Seamaiden

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People do that with dogs' tails too... They wrap a tiny rubber band around the base of the tail and just let it rot off... Sick... It's putting the dog at risk for serious infection. If you can't afford to take your pet to the vet for things like that, then you shouldn't have a pet in the first place. Bottom line.
When I was 10yo and raising pigs for 4H I was taught how to castrate them. It takes two people and a really sharp straight edge. The rubber band method is used for a lot of animals, quite a lot.

We put horses under, too easy to get kicked in the face. D'oh!
 

Biggravy22

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He knows that his crate is a safe spot. Still, the dog that wets is having issues. I assume that he doesn't actually need to go to the bathroom, right? Hazel pees in very specific areas in the house (it's why she's not allowed in without my direct supervision, she's got a bladder the size of a racehorse). She pees right at the entrance to my father-in-law's bedroom and my son's bedroom. All they ever do is pet her and play with her, and she does it within minutes of being allowed inside. This, for her, is clearly a dominance behavior because as far as she's concerned they haven't got a pack leader and we need one, so she'll step up to the plate.

It sounds like Moose is excited, but I think there's something more to it and I can't say with certainty without seeing it. Very passive dogs are more difficult for me to work with, probably because I do tend to naturally be dominant.

I would try a desensitization technique with him. Practice leaving and coming back. Start with very short periods of time at first, a few seconds if that's what it takes, and then come back. Do not greet him when you return, just pretend he isn't there. NO eye contact, not even a flicker, they see it instantly. Then keep extending the time you're "gone". That, along with calm, low voices when you greet him should be a good start. When he's in the mental state that you want, you reward that with attention. I prefer this to using negative reinforcement, especially with a dog who's got a history of possible abuse.

Hazel had the same problem, she'd been turned in twice and she STILL cowers at anything that resembles a stick. Even a paper towel tube. Fear-based aggression is easier to deal with than real dominance aggression for me, though it can be tough to work through the fear. But he's already got a pretty good start with you and your wife I think.


When we first got him we weren't able to leave in intervals. We got him on a thursday, and both had to be up for work the next morning. So the first day we actually had him we had to leave him. Now that I think about it when I leave for maybe a few mintues he cries, and vice versa. We could go to the store and my wife will run in and he'll be in the car whimpering and looking around even though someone is there with him. He's never shown any type of aggression. Well except when he kicks me in the balls while we sleep lol.
 

BreatheSmoke

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When I was 10yo and raising pigs for 4H I was taught how to castrate them. It takes two people and a really sharp straight edge. The rubber band method is used for a lot of animals, quite a lot.

We put horses under, too easy to get kicked in the face. D'oh!
Well if you know what you're doing then it's not a problem... I assume if one is raising the animals then they have the knowledge necessary to do it as well as a vet could....... I think vets do the rubber band method all the time, but they know what they're doing... People just put frikin hair ties on dogs' tails...
 

Biggravy22

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the group we adopted him from saw him a couple weeks ago, and they say we're doing a great job. Im just afraid to fuck anything up. I don't want him to digress. I want him to know he's loved and respected he just needs to know his place.
 

Seamaiden

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When we first got him we weren't able to leave in intervals. We got him on a thursday, and both had to be up for work the next morning. So the first day we actually had him we had to leave him. Now that I think about it when I leave for maybe a few mintues he cries, and vice versa. We could go to the store and my wife will run in and he'll be in the car whimpering and looking around even though someone is there with him. He's never shown any type of aggression. Well except when he kicks me in the balls while we sleep lol.
I'd start there, then. He's clearly VERY attached to you both and sees you as safe haven. I'm sure he can learn very quickly that you'll come back, he just needs to be desensitized. Often addressing one behavior allows a whole bunch of other things to fall into place.
 

Biggravy22

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I'd start there, then. He's clearly VERY attached to you both and sees you as safe haven. I'm sure he can learn very quickly that you'll come back, he just needs to be desensitized. Often addressing one behavior allows a whole bunch of other things to fall into place.

Okay thanks. Would you mind if I ever PM'd you if I had anymore question in the future?
 
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