The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Sour Wreck

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Trump’s allies worry that federal investigators may have seized recordings made by his attorney
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-allies-worry-that-federal-investigators-may-have-seized-recordings-made-by-his-attorney/2018/04/12/16d6345a-3e89-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a4ddac20372a

Michael D. Cohen, a close confidant of the president, was known to store the conversations using digital files and then replay them for colleagues, according to people who have interacted with him.

It is unknown whether Cohen taped conversations between himself and Trump. But two people familiar with Cohen’s practices said he recorded both business and political conversations. One associate said Trump knew of Cohen’s practice because the attorney would often play him recordings Cohen had made of his conversations with other top Trump advisers.

“It was his standard practice to do it,” this person said.

trump is a dead man walking
 

Grandpapy

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Joe: Trashing Of Robert Mueller Is Beneath Contempt | Morning Joe | MSNBC
On Wednesday, the president encouraged his Twitter followers to watch Sean Hannity’s Fox News program on the ‘Mueller Crime Family?’ Guests including Newt Gingrich and Joe diGenova discussed Mueller, the firing of Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and the FBI raid on Michael Cohen’s office. Joe Scarborough has some thoughts on the show.

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I can't believe that the people on FOX are not making enemies in the DOJ and FBI. Someone will want to bust these assholes for this bullshit, they had better hope they don't figure out how to do it. Helping Trump fire Rosenstein and Mueller in a conspiracy is something that needs to be looked into.
They do the same in AU and UK. Global court? bring prosecutors from other countries as well, international cooperation can work wonders without hurting Corp. love of China.
 

greg nr

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Ahh, they brought up that this likely a prelude to pardoning everyone in the trump orbit.

Scooter is being portrayed as the victim of a corrupt fbi investigation and a corrupt fbi.

Of course they are. Muehler is about to report out on findings......
 

Sour Wreck

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Ahh, they brought up that this likely a prelude to pardong everyone in the trump orbit.

Scooter is being portrayed as the victom of a cprrupt fbi investigation and a corrupt fbi.

Of course thry are. Muehler is about to report out on findings......

i don't know what else to say. we are either going to lose our democracy, fight a civil war or republicans are going to put politics aside. if they don't choose number 3, just remember i am an armed spy behind enemy lines.

let's play redneck morons !!!!!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ahh, they brought up that this likely a prelude to pardong everyone in the trump orbit.

Scooter is being portrayed as the victom of a cprrupt fbi investigation and a corrupt fbi.

Of course thry are. Muehler is about to report out on findings......
Outing a CIA agent is the real reason he was busted, lying was how they got him. Sure Trump is gonna pardon everybody in sight, maximum chaos, the wise will refuse the pardon, including Scooter Libby. Pardons and firings will spell the end of Trump's presidency, the GOP will have to act or face extinction. Mueller is coming at Trump right NOW! They know Rosenstein is gonna get fired and something will happen before the weekend that will make firing Rosenstein very painful for Donald. These guys aren't waiting for Trump to fire them, but are gonna proactively go after him.

If Cohen has recordings that could change everything, they must be burning the midnight oil going through his devices and computers. This is also gonna lead to more warrants for searches of those who are associated with him including Trump Tower. Just because Cohen deletes an audio file doesn't mean it's gone, unless he used special security software, the FBI can recover the info.
 

Sour Wreck

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Outing a CIA agent is the real reason he was busted, lying was how they got him. Sure Trump is gonna pardon everybody in sight, maximum chaos, the wise will refuse the pardon, including Scooter Libby. Pardons and firings will spell the end of Trump's presidency, the GOP will have to act or face extinction. Mueller is coming at Trump right NOW! They know Rosenstein is gonna get fired and something will happen before the weekend that will make firing Rosenstein very painful for Donald. These guys aren't waiting for Trump to fire them, but are gonna proactively go after him.

If Cohen has recordings that could change everything, they must be burning the midnight oil going through his devices and computers. This is also gonna lead to more warrants for searches of those who are associated with him including Trump Tower. Just because Cohen deletes an audio file doesn't mean it's gone, unless he used special security software, the FBI can recover the info.
the recordings, if they have them and they should will be the most revealing and damaging evidence to date.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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FBI may have seized recorded conversations from Trump's attorney
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/michael-cohen-fbi-raid-recordings/index.html
Donald Trump's personal attorney often recorded telephone conversations both before and during the 2016 presidential campaign that likely have been scooped up in the FBI raid on attorney Michael Cohen's apartment, office and hotel room, according to sources familiar with the matter.

These recorded conversations, according to one source, were even played back at times to candidate Trump and associates, the source said. Among the recordings were discussions about the campaign and interactions with the media, the source said.
This information reveals how extensively the FBI is reviewing Cohen's job as a fixer for Trump as well as his own personal financial entanglements.
Some of the recordings may have been on the cellphones or computers that were seized by the FBI during Monday's raid. It's likely to raise concerns among Trump allies that the recordings are under review because of the uncertainty over what was recorded.
CNN has also learned that the search warrant sought records relating to Cohen's personal finances and his net worth.
One source said Cohen played to Trump and some associates conversations that he had with political and media figures during the exploratory part of the campaign.
The source said they were generally conversations about whether the news organizations were going to be fair to candidate Trump. Trump viewed the media relationships as transactional, the source said.
Whether Cohen was recording conversations in his Trump Tower office was a source of concern to some Trump associates during the campaign, two former Trump campaign officials said. The Washington Post first reported the concerns Thursday.
"It's one of the first things people entering Trump world would be told: Don't have conversations in his office. He's recording it," one former campaign official said.
As a precaution, some campaign staffers took pains to have conversations with Cohen in the hallway or elsewhere in Trump Tower.
Investigators would not immediately have access to any recordings. Anything seized in the raid would first be reviewed by an independent team that would ensure the material was not covered by attorney-client privilege or outside the scope of the warrant.
Cohen's attorney Stephen Ryan didn't respond to a call requesting comment. He previously said in a statement that the search was "completely inappropriate and unnecessary." He added that the raid "resulted in the unnecessary seizure of protected attorney client communications between a lawyer and his clients. These government tactics are also wrong because Mr. Cohen has cooperated completely with all government entities, including providing thousands of non-privileged documents to the Congress and sitting for depositions under oath."
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Morning Joe is openly mocking Trump bigly today! Looks like they are trying to goad him into doing something stupid. Never seen them ridicule him in like this, they do all the time, but today seems different.

When will Rosenstein be fired, tonight, tomorrow, or Sunday?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Republican voters are turning against the Mueller probe
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/republicans-mueller-investigation-poll/index.html
Six months ago, Republican voters were almost evenly split on whether special counsel Robert Mueller was conducting a fair investigation into potential links between President Donald Trump's campaign and the Russian government.

Not anymore.
For the first time, a majority of Republican voters, 54%, now believe Mueller is not conducting a fair investigation, up 10 percentage points over the last six months, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released this week.

Only 3 in 10 Republican voters, 30%, would say Mueller is conducting a fair probe into potential collusion, down 11 points over the last six months. Overall, however, a majority of American voters, 52%, believe Mueller's probe is being conducted fairly.

The survey was conducted almost entirely before federal investigators on Monday raided the office and hotel room of the President's lawyer, Michael Cohen. That day, Trump called the raid a "disgraceful situation" and "an attack on our country," saying the investigation had reached a "whole new level of unfairness."
Majorities of Democrats (82%) and independents (69%) -- as well as Republicans (55%) -- say the President should not fire Mueller.
Trump refused to rule out ousting Mueller from his post this week. "Well, I think it's a disgrace what's going on. We'll see what happens. Many people have said you should fire him," he responded to a question on dismissing the special counsel.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, however, have warned against the President firing Mueller. Democrats across the board are pushing for legislation to protect Mueller, but Republican leadership has not signed on.
Still, Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa told reporters this week that "it would be suicide" for Trump to remove Mueller from his post and GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona have previously called the move an impeachable offense.
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The base is getting smaller and harder as the GOP shrinks it becomes further removed from the majority of Americans. Yeah, the GOP are going all in because the moderates and patriots are leaving in droves and the loonies and extremists have remained. The republicans are gonna be a fringe party soon, the brand won't be worth shit and they might as well start from scratch. The only way for the donor class and regular leaders to regain control is to get rid of Trump, as in impeachment and jail. The republican base are morons, racists or traitors, anybody with either a brain or a heart has long since left the party.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Post-ABC poll: Majority of Americans support Mueller’s probe of Russia, Trump campaign
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-majority-of-americans-support-muellers-probe-of-russia-trump-campaign/2018/04/12/fd5326f6-3e87-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9bf40edcfa38

By Scott Clement and Emily Guskin April 13 at 7:00 AM Email the author


Special counsel Robert Mueller told President Trump's lawyers that Trump is a subject in his investigation, but not yet a criminal target. The Post's Carol Leonnig explains what the difference is.
A clear majority of Americans support special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election and alleged collusion with President Trump’s campaign, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds.

The results show backing for inquiries into Trump’s orbit on several fronts.

Nearly 7 in 10 adults say they support Mueller’s focus on possible collusion with Russia. Sixty-four percent say they want the special counsel investigating Trump’s business activities. And a 58 percent majority supports investigating alleged payments by Trump associates to silence women who say they had affairs with him.


The broad public mandate for Mueller’s investigation comes as many Trump allies are calling for the president to thwart the special counsel’s work. Trump has considered ousting the Justice Department official overseeing the probe, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein — a move that some Trump associates hope would cripple the inquiry.

Trump this week blasted the Russia investigation as “never ending and corrupt.”

More...
 

Sour Wreck

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Republican voters are turning against the Mueller probe
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/republicans-mueller-investigation-poll/index.html
Six months ago, Republican voters were almost evenly split on whether special counsel Robert Mueller was conducting a fair investigation into potential links between President Donald Trump's campaign and the Russian government.

Not anymore.
For the first time, a majority of Republican voters, 54%, now believe Mueller is not conducting a fair investigation, up 10 percentage points over the last six months, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released this week.

Only 3 in 10 Republican voters, 30%, would say Mueller is conducting a fair probe into potential collusion, down 11 points over the last six months. Overall, however, a majority of American voters, 52%, believe Mueller's probe is being conducted fairly.

The survey was conducted almost entirely before federal investigators on Monday raided the office and hotel room of the President's lawyer, Michael Cohen. That day, Trump called the raid a "disgraceful situation" and "an attack on our country," saying the investigation had reached a "whole new level of unfairness."
Majorities of Democrats (82%) and independents (69%) -- as well as Republicans (55%) -- say the President should not fire Mueller.
Trump refused to rule out ousting Mueller from his post this week. "Well, I think it's a disgrace what's going on. We'll see what happens. Many people have said you should fire him," he responded to a question on dismissing the special counsel.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, however, have warned against the President firing Mueller. Democrats across the board are pushing for legislation to protect Mueller, but Republican leadership has not signed on.
Still, Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa told reporters this week that "it would be suicide" for Trump to remove Mueller from his post and GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona have previously called the move an impeachable offense.
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The base is getting smaller and harder as the GOP shrinks it becomes further removed from the majority of Americans. Yeah, the GOP are going all in because the moderates and patriots are leaving in droves and the loonies and extremists have remained. The republicans are gonna be a fringe party soon, the brand won't be worth shit and they might as well start from scratch. The only way for the donor class and regular leaders to regain control is to get rid of Trump, as in impeachment and jail. The republican base are morons, racists or traitors, anybody with either a brain or a heart has long since left the party.


I am afraid the us govt may have to physically whip their asses
 

greg nr

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FBI may have seized recorded conversations from Trump's attorney
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/michael-cohen-fbi-raid-recordings/index.html
Donald Trump's personal attorney often recorded telephone conversations both before and during the 2016 presidential campaign that likely have been scooped up in the FBI raid on attorney Michael Cohen's apartment, office and hotel room, according to sources familiar with the matter.

These recorded conversations, according to one source, were even played back at times to candidate Trump and associates, the source said. Among the recordings were discussions about the campaign and interactions with the media, the source said.
This information reveals how extensively the FBI is reviewing Cohen's job as a fixer for Trump as well as his own personal financial entanglements.
Some of the recordings may have been on the cellphones or computers that were seized by the FBI during Monday's raid. It's likely to raise concerns among Trump allies that the recordings are under review because of the uncertainty over what was recorded.
CNN has also learned that the search warrant sought records relating to Cohen's personal finances and his net worth.
One source said Cohen played to Trump and some associates conversations that he had with political and media figures during the exploratory part of the campaign.
The source said they were generally conversations about whether the news organizations were going to be fair to candidate Trump. Trump viewed the media relationships as transactional, the source said.
Whether Cohen was recording conversations in his Trump Tower office was a source of concern to some Trump associates during the campaign, two former Trump campaign officials said. The Washington Post first reported the concerns Thursday.
"It's one of the first things people entering Trump world would be told: Don't have conversations in his office. He's recording it," one former campaign official said.
As a precaution, some campaign staffers took pains to have conversations with Cohen in the hallway or elsewhere in Trump Tower.
Investigators would not immediately have access to any recordings. Anything seized in the raid would first be reviewed by an independent team that would ensure the material was not covered by attorney-client privilege or outside the scope of the warrant.
Cohen's attorney Stephen Ryan didn't respond to a call requesting comment. He previously said in a statement that the search was "completely inappropriate and unnecessary." He added that the raid "resulted in the unnecessary seizure of protected attorney client communications between a lawyer and his clients. These government tactics are also wrong because Mr. Cohen has cooperated completely with all government entities, including providing thousands of non-privileged documents to the Congress and sitting for depositions under oath."
Presumably he encrypted them. But being stupid, he probably taped the password to his monitor. ;)

Even if he used very strong encryption, and no fragments exist in bad blocks or temp files/page files, he is still hosed. The govt can subpoena the password, and if he refuses or gives them a bad pw, it will be a felony in itself, and they can likely crack it anyway given time.

His life is certainly not going as planned right now. ;)
 

greg nr

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Republican voters are turning against the Mueller probe
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/republicans-mueller-investigation-poll/index.html
Six months ago, Republican voters were almost evenly split on whether special counsel Robert Mueller was conducting a fair investigation into potential links between President Donald Trump's campaign and the Russian government.

Not anymore.
For the first time, a majority of Republican voters, 54%, now believe Mueller is not conducting a fair investigation, up 10 percentage points over the last six months, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released this week.

Only 3 in 10 Republican voters, 30%, would say Mueller is conducting a fair probe into potential collusion, down 11 points over the last six months. Overall, however, a majority of American voters, 52%, believe Mueller's probe is being conducted fairly.

The survey was conducted almost entirely before federal investigators on Monday raided the office and hotel room of the President's lawyer, Michael Cohen. That day, Trump called the raid a "disgraceful situation" and "an attack on our country," saying the investigation had reached a "whole new level of unfairness."
Majorities of Democrats (82%) and independents (69%) -- as well as Republicans (55%) -- say the President should not fire Mueller.
Trump refused to rule out ousting Mueller from his post this week. "Well, I think it's a disgrace what's going on. We'll see what happens. Many people have said you should fire him," he responded to a question on dismissing the special counsel.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, however, have warned against the President firing Mueller. Democrats across the board are pushing for legislation to protect Mueller, but Republican leadership has not signed on.
Still, Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa told reporters this week that "it would be suicide" for Trump to remove Mueller from his post and GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona have previously called the move an impeachable offense.
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The base is getting smaller and harder as the GOP shrinks it becomes further removed from the majority of Americans. Yeah, the GOP are going all in because the moderates and patriots are leaving in droves and the loonies and extremists have remained. The republicans are gonna be a fringe party soon, the brand won't be worth shit and they might as well start from scratch. The only way for the donor class and regular leaders to regain control is to get rid of Trump, as in impeachment and jail. The republican base are morons, racists or traitors, anybody with either a brain or a heart has long since left the party.
Part of the problem with a poll like this is the first question they ask is "Are you a republican, a democrat, or other?"

The number of people self identifying as republican has been going down precipitously, leaving a higher density of hard core nut cases. It's like when water evaporates out of a solution, it becomes more concentrated.

I'd look at the summary of all voters. Especially if they were called randomly and not pre-screened by affiliation to get a specific percent of r's, d's, and others.
 
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