The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

[DIY-HP-LED]

Still not enough republican support to have any hope. These are mostly retiring. Ryan is still saying nyet... It won't get out of committee without leadership nods

Several House Republicans endorse bill to protect Mueller
Source: Politico

A handful of House Republicans have endorsed legislation that would protect special counsel Robert Mueller from any attempt by President Donald Trump to remove him, even as GOP leaders insist that such legislation is unnecessary.

Rep. Charlie Dent introduced a version of the bill on Friday, and on Monday, fellow Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick signed on as a cosponsor. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) signed on to an identical version of the bill that Democrats introduced last week.

The new GOP support for the bill comes despite continued assurances from Republican leaders in the House and Senate that Trump wouldn't dare fire Mueller.

"We do not believe that he should be fired. We do not believe he will be fired," Speaker Paul Ryan said Tuesday morning.​

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/17/mueller-protection-bill-supporters-528390

Them dumb bastards are gonna die on that hill, Donald is gonna suicide bomb them in the end.

I can see many of America's assholes being removed from the public space in a single swipe, from Trump and the GOP, to the NRA, neonazis, the alt right and religious right.

Boy, did everybody forget about Jesus in a hurry, MIA in American politics! Donald Trump, antiChrist.

I figure Donald is saving getting saved for before the trial or sentencing at least. Maybe he should look into that presidential exorcism on national TV, where Jerry Falwell Jr can drive the evil demons out that plague the president into a herd of hogs and then drown them in the Potomac. Then he can blame it all on the Devil and absolve himself of all blame and fault, the evidence dies with the hogs, the base would buy it, the courts, not so much...

 

[Sour Wreck]

after having a heart to heart discussion with some of these people over the last few days. we agree on one thing. civil war is approaching soon in america. they will not turn on trump. they will turn on the fbi first.

 

[Fogdog]

after having a heart to heart discussion with some of these people over the last few days. we agree on one thing. civil war is approaching soon in america. they will not turn on trump. they will turn on the fbi first.

Most Trump supporters are well-to-do and the median household incomes are well above most people in this country. Comfortable people don't just pick up a rifle and join a civil war. They won't turn on Trump but aren't about to jeopardize their comfortable entitled status.

What really gets their blood up is telling them the government is going to take their guns away. Ignites all sorts of fantasies. They are a bloodthirsty lot but won't leave their armchair in front of the tube.

 

[greg nr]

Most Trump supporters are well-to-do and the median household incomes are well above most people in this country. Comfortable people don't just pick up a rifle and join a civil war. They won't turn on Trump but aren't about to jeopardize their comfortable entitled status.

What really gets their blood up is telling them the government is going to take their guns away. Ignites all sorts of fantasies. They are a bloodthirsty lot but won't leave their armchair in front of the tube.

Interesting. I see it differently. I see the rich as being more rank and file GOP, and maybe evangelicals. But the core of the people who would show up at his rallies and punch out demonstrators are really just a step up from trailer trash. Not rich though there are likely exceptions. Not educated. Ethically deprived.

The GOP rank and file aren't really his "supporters", although they did vote for him and generally like the things he's doing. His supporters are the vitriolic thugs. They do own guns and wouldn't hesitate to shoot people if they thought they would get away with it; and in trumps america, they probably would.

 

[Sour Wreck]

Most Trump supporters are well-to-do and the median household incomes are well above most people in this country. Comfortable people don't just pick up a rifle and join a civil war. They won't turn on Trump but aren't about to jeopardize their comfortable entitled status.

What really gets their blood up is telling them the government is going to take their guns away. Ignites all sorts of fantasies. They are a bloodthirsty lot but won't leave their armchair in front of the tube.

in the meantime, the dumbing down of white evangelicals, rural retards and white supremacists is in full force. a civil war would be the best way for us to take out america's white trash, eerrrr, i mean, trash....

 

[Fogdog]

in the meantime, the dumbing down of white evangelicals, rural retards and white supremacists is in full force. a civil war would be the best way for us to take out america's white trash, eerrrr, i mean, trash....

Sorry, I don't think a civil war would be all that great. Those couch potatoes are mostly harmless and aren't a threat. Yes, we disagree about political ideology but I'd rather we maintain rule of law and peacefully use our votes to make change.

 

[Fogdog]

Interesting. I see it differently. I see the rich as being more rank and file GOP, and maybe evangelicals. But the core of the people who would show up at his rallies and punch out demonstrators are really just a step up from trailer trash. Not rich though there are likely exceptions. Not educated. Ethically deprived.

The GOP rank and file aren't really his "supporters", although they did vote for him and generally like the things he's doing. His supporters are the vitriolic thugs. They do own guns and wouldn't hesitate to shoot people if they thought they would get away with it; and in trumps america, they probably would.

Opinion polls show fairly steady level of support for Trump at about 40%. But that number is pretty bad at predicting how one will vote. To me how one voted is the most important statement of support that a person can make. If somebody voted for Trump, then I count them as his supporter. At least until the 2020 election is held, that is.

The typical Trump voter was white and wealthy. Of the people who voted for Trump, 67% have income above the median family income of $50k/y

The income distribution didn't change when non-white voters were screened out.

This should be no surprise because very few non-white voters placed their vote for Trump.

I guess it's possible to look like trailer trash but still drive a nice car and live on a good income.

 

[greg nr]

Of course not. Because clearly there is only branch of government mentioned in the constitution and the little legacy institution calling itself the senate shouldn't establish laws or make rules for the government if they might upset the one, true, leader.

No, we couldn't have that. Not here. Not now.

McConnell says he won’t allow vote on bill to protect Mueller because Trump wouldn’t sign it

Donald Trump is not going to fire Robert Mueller, says Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell.

But just in case he does—well, Republicans don’t want to do anything.


McConnell told Fox News Neil Patrick Cavuto that he won’t allow a bill to protect Mueller.

“I don’t think the president is going to do that, McConnell said. “And just as a practical matter, if we passed it, why would he sign it?”

Cavuto failed to make the obvious follow-up: Even if Trump refused to sign the bill, the Senate could override his veto with 67 votes.

“It’s not necessary in my judgement,” McConnell said.


“Obviously, enough your colleagues fear it enough to say it should be in there,” Cavuto said.

“I’m the one who decides what we take to the floor,” McConnell said. “And we will not be having this on the floor of the senate.”​

 

[Fogdog]

Of course not. Because clearly there is only branch of government mentioned in the constitution and the little legacy institution calling itself the senate shouldn't establish laws or make rules for the government if they might upset the one, true, leader.

No, we couldn't have that. Not here. Not now.

McConnell says he won’t allow vote on bill to protect Mueller because Trump wouldn’t sign it

Donald Trump is not going to fire Robert Mueller, says Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell.

But just in case he does—well, Republicans don’t want to do anything.


McConnell told Fox News Neil Patrick Cavuto that he won’t allow a bill to protect Mueller.

“I don’t think the president is going to do that, McConnell said. “And just as a practical matter, if we passed it, why would he sign it?”

Cavuto failed to make the obvious follow-up: Even if Trump refused to sign the bill, the Senate could override his veto with 67 votes.

“It’s not necessary in my judgement,” McConnell said.


“Obviously, enough your colleagues fear it enough to say it should be in there,” Cavuto said.

“I’m the one who decides what we take to the floor,” McConnell said. “And we will not be having this on the floor of the senate.”​

These are the same people who say that God will intervene and stop it from happening if we fuck up and start a world wide disaster like nuclear war or runaway extinction events due to global warming.

They can believe anything.

I do think that Trump will fire Mueller and not for a dumb reason. Trump probably already knows that firing Mueller wont make his situation any worse than it is right now. Mueller's actions to bring in the DOJ to raid and collect Cohen's offices was an act of genius.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

after having a heart to heart discussion with some of these people over the last few days. we agree on one thing. civil war is approaching soon in america. they will not turn on trump. they will turn on the fbi first.

His supporters are self centered and as Fogdog said are too comfortable and lack any grievance other than the one almost every other American feels about about bought and paid for corrupt government. None will go up against the decision of the courts, those that do will be jailed or slain as circumstances dictate. America is a land of laws that are interpedid, regulated and enforced by the courts guided by the constitution. Trump and trumpers who think he's above the law can go fuck themselves and if they act, they will.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Of course not. Because clearly there is only branch of government mentioned in the constitution and the little legacy institution calling itself the senate shouldn't establish laws or make rules for the government if they might upset the one, true, leader.

No, we couldn't have that. Not here. Not now.

McConnell says he won’t allow vote on bill to protect Mueller because Trump wouldn’t sign it

Donald Trump is not going to fire Robert Mueller, says Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell.

But just in case he does—well, Republicans don’t want to do anything.


McConnell told Fox News Neil Patrick Cavuto that he won’t allow a bill to protect Mueller.

“I don’t think the president is going to do that, McConnell said. “And just as a practical matter, if we passed it, why would he sign it?”

Cavuto failed to make the obvious follow-up: Even if Trump refused to sign the bill, the Senate could override his veto with 67 votes.

“It’s not necessary in my judgement,” McConnell said.


“Obviously, enough your colleagues fear it enough to say it should be in there,” Cavuto said.

“I’m the one who decides what we take to the floor,” McConnell said. “And we will not be having this on the floor of the senate.”​

Mitch is right about Trump signing it and there are some constitutional issues with such a law. Mitch is gonna let Donald fire his way to impeachment and the most effective case for obstruction of justice is for a fired Rosenstein to give his findings to the senate judiciary committee. Hearings would begin there that will soon consume Trump and spread to the house, it would look natural with many republicans "shocked", but it will be pre arranged. If anybody is fired in Justice or Donald does something dramatic like ripping up the regulations that govern the DOJ and replaces it with nothing of course. In a blind fear and rage driven panic he could fire everybody involved in the investigations in Washington and New York and gut the FBI down to the field offices, carry that water Mitch!

 

[zeddd]

i had a about 30 min debate with my fathers preacher this morning. these people actually think shit would be worse under hillary. can't fix stupid...

Tell them about the Christian doctrine of atonement and how their stupidity has been forgiven with Christ’s blood.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The term "Conspiracy" seems to fit here......

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/former-nsa-analyst-connects-dots-sean-hannity-julian-assange-russian-spies/

Former NSA analyst connects the dots between Sean Hannity, Julian Assange and Russian spies

Sean Hannity finds himself in a professionally problematic situation after he was outed in federal court as the mystery third client of President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen — but he could potentially be in deeper trouble.

The Fox News broadcaster neglected to inform viewers of his personal ties to Cohen despite repeatedly discussing the attorney and the FBI raid on his home and office, which likely includes evidence related to Hannity’s discussions with him.

It’s not clear what evidence relating to Hannity could have been turned up by the search warrant, or whether those documents or recordings would be of any interest to investigators.

But former National Security analyst John Schindler and others have been warning for months that Hannity has helped the president spread Russian propaganda through his nightly Fox News broadcasts and daily syndicated radio program.

Schindler claims the Fox News broadcaster has been under counterintelligence investigation for his links to the Kremlin, which appear to run through WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

“We need to ask questions about Hannity’s relationship with the Kremlin, considering his track record of pushing rancid Russian disinformation on his Fox News program,” Schindler said. “Hannity is a propagandist, not a journalist, by his own admission, but if he has served as a witting conduit for lies crafted by Russian spies, Fox News needs to explain why they are airing Kremlin Active Measures aimed at the American public and calling it ‘news.'”

“Intelligence Community friends have told me that Sean Hannity has been under counterintelligence investigation for some time, based on his clandestine ties to Moscow,” he added. “Now we know why.”

Hannity played a key role in promoting a conspiracy theory about slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich, whose family has sued Fox News over a since-retracted May 2017 article posted on the network’s website.

Fox News Malia Zimmerman and frequent Fox News guest Ed Butowsky reported that Rich had leaked thousands of internal DNC emails that U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies believe were stolen by Russian hackers.-----

more....​

One can hope that Cohen had himself constantly wired for years with a cellphone app and was in the habit of dumping the recordings on a laptop hard drive. I'd love to hear that there were hundreds or thousands of hours worth of recordings, enough to hang Hannity, Trump and hundreds just like them. Give America a real cleansing enema and flush a slew of shit in one go. If he was half as dumb as Don jr there should be plenty of email evidence too. A real close look at Mikey's files and a very long interview with the FBI or on the hot seat of a Grand Jury for days on end are in his future. Depending on how bad the damage is from Cohen's files and what he recorded, maybe Trump might not be too eager to pardon him, a pardon for Cohen wouldn't help Trump if the feds have the goods.

I wonder if Cohen was paying off a woman or a man for Hannity, that'll be the next bombshell, Sean swings both ways! I'm sure his fans are a tolerant bunch and like Donald fans will find a new tolerance for the gay community, just like the GOP suddenly took a shine to russians.

 

[greg nr]

We are Fuched. On Maddow tonight, she pointed out that the house intel committee (remember them) has subpoena'd basically the crown jewels of the evidence against trump for obstruction. Unredacted raw evidence. Basically, rosenstein can't provide that without poisoning the investigation.

So the house is setting him up to refuse them. At which point they will hold him in contempt of congress, setting up trump to fire him and muehler.

Also, in 2 1/2 weeks berman's interim appointment to be attorney for the southern district of new york expires. Once that happens trump can replace him with someone who will kill the cohen investigation.

This is trumps end game for the investigation. Mcconnel and Ryan have signaled there will be no interference from congress, and he knows he faces no risk of impeachment.

All their troubles go away in a few short days. The end.

Forget protests. Forget republicans getting a spine. Forget 2018. Forget 2020. He will jail anyone who would oppose him. Just like putin.

 

[greg nr]

One can hope that Cohen had himself constantly wired for years with a cellphone app and was in the habit of dumping the recordings on a laptop hard drive. I'd love to hear that there were hundreds or thousands of hours worth of recordings, enough to hang Hannity, Trump and hundreds just like them. Give America a real cleansing enema and flush a slew of shit in one go. If he was half as dumb as Don jr there should be plenty of email evidence too. A real close look at Mikey's files and a very long interview with the FBI or on the hot seat of a Grand Jury for days on end are in his future. Depending on how bad the damage is from Cohen's files and what he recorded, maybe Trump might not be too eager to pardon him, a pardon for Cohen wouldn't help Trump if the feds have the goods.

I wonder if Cohen was paying off a woman or a man for Hannity, that'll be the next bombshell, Sean swings both ways! I'm sure his fans are a tolerant bunch and like Donald fans will find a new tolerance for the gay community, just like the GOP suddenly took a shine to russians.

The evidence will never see the light of day or a court of law,. Never.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Awww, poor bubbie. He can't seem to get anyone competent to work for him. Reality has sanity requirement in some cases.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/lawyers-spurn-trump-over-bills-listening-legal-advise

Lawyers Spurn Trump Over Concerns He Won’t Pay Bills, Listen To Legal Advice

WASHINGTON (AP) — Several prominent lawyers asked to help represent President Donald Trump in the last year have spurned the assignment at least partly out of concerns he wouldn’t pay his bills and doesn’t listen to legal advice, according to people familiar with the conversations.

The result is that as investigators intensify their focus on the president’s inner circle, including his personal lawyer, Trump has been left with a lean legal team that has struggled to add criminal defense firepower. Though more lawyers may come aboard soon, Trump has time and again struck out in landing some of Washington’s most notable attorneys. The extra help may be especially needed in the critical months ahead, as special counsel Robert Mueller seeks an interview with Trump and reaches conclusions on whether the president engaged in obstruction of justice.

That Trump does not have multiple brand-name criminal defense lawyers is startling since, in ordinary circumstances, representing the president in a hugely consequential legal fight would be a dream assignment. President Bill Clinton, for instance, was navigated through the Whitewater scandal by lawyers from Williams & Connolly, one of Washington’s most highly regarded firms.

At least one lawyer who was approached but rejected the opportunity made clear to the White House that he’d expect Trump to refrain from discussing the investigation on social media, according to a lawyer familiar with the exchange who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential client matters. That admonition has apparently gone unheeded.

In at least one other case, a major law firm that contemplated an overture to one of its lawyers was turned off by the idea of a “client who attacks the essence of our legal system” and concern that “he treats his lawyers like vendors he can avoid paying,” according to one person at the firm who also spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential client matters. That concern is rooted in a multitude of lawsuits Trump and his business organization have faced from lawyers, real estate brokers and others over unpaid bills. Just one example: A Florida golf club owned by Trump agreed this year to a multimillion-dollar settlement with former members who said the club refused to refund their deposits.

“Obviously this is an unusual situation because it’s perfectly obvious that Mr. Trump likes to be his own lawyer, and lawyers have to be concerned about their own reputation. And I’m sure that factors into their thinking,” said Bill Jeffress, once part of President Richard Nixon’s legal team.

On any lawyer’s mind, Jeffress said: “Are your statements to the prosecutors going to be undercut by your client’s tweet the next morning?”

more at tpm....​

He won't pay, listen or shut up. He lies to his lawyer and is guilty of hundreds of crimes including conspiracy to commit treason, if there were a declared war he would swing on the end of a rope. Besides, he's an asshole who would put the license and liberty of any lawyer at risk, just look at Michael Cohen and John Dowd! Anybody who dared to take on Donald as a client would want a stupidly large retainer up front and a written notarized agreement gagging Donald and disabling his thumbs in casts. If Donald fucks up on the agreement the lawyer keeps all the cash and walks away. It's the only deal ya get great negotiator.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

I'm trying to remain upbeat and positive and think good thoughts... of dancing in the blood of criminals

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

We are Fuched. On Maddow tonight, she pointed out that the house intel committee (remember them) has subpoena'd basically the crown jewels of the evidence against trump for obstruction. Unredacted raw evidence. Basically, rosenstein can't provide that without poisoning the investigation.

So the house is setting him up to refuse them. At which point they will hold him in contempt of congress, setting up trump to fire him and muehler.

Also, in 2 1/2 weeks berman's interim appointment to be attorney for the southern district of new york expires. Once that happens trump can replace him with someone who will kill the cohen investigation.

This is trumps end game for the investigation. Mcconnel and Ryan have signaled there will be no interference from congress, and he knows he faces no risk of impeachment.

All their troubles go away in a few short days. The end.

Forget protests. Forget republicans getting a spine. Forget 2018. Forget 2020. He will jail anyone who would oppose him. Just like putin.

Then we will soon see what it means to be an American, is your country worth the effort to fight like Hell? Do you think tens or hundreds of millions of people agree with you? If Trump and the GOP tried that it would burn down the country and break the rule of law. Guys like Barack Obama, the democratic leadership, Jim Comey and Robert Mueller would be advocating civil disobedience and even revolt. There would be mass resignations from the FBI and the justice departments, millions would hit the streets all summer until election day.

A more likely scenario would be Mitch and Paul turning on Donald when he steps in it far enough. There is no future on the path to perdition, only misery, the GOP would fracture and split wide open with senators going independent, there would be Hell to pay.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The evidence will never see the light of day or a court of law,. Never.

Jesus Christ, where in the fuck do you think you live? Get a grip, too many people know about this and there ain't no going back or sweeping it under the rug. Donald is fucked and it's just a question of how fucked the republicans are, if they tried to pull of this extra legal shit you describe they would be hunted like animals in the end. Remember where you live, your heritage and history, it will take a fuck of a lot more than Donald Trump and a bunch of con men and losers to wipe it away. Donald will die in jail and anybody who helps him to avoid it will end up there too.

I'm in the maritime provinces of Canada, far away from the US border, yet I can see the writing on the wall (not the border wall) clearly. It says TRUMP IS FUCKED. He's freaking out about something, so I guess he's not as confident as you are about his future.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Also, in 2 1/2 weeks berman's interim appointment to be attorney for the southern district of new york expires

He recused himself from the investigation a few months back and whoever would replace him and kill the investigation would have to have big balls and a small brain.