What’s the most dry weight you have pulled from a autoflower

pop22

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No, if they were bread properly, taken to at least F6, the genetics will be stable and they will look uniform. The goal of proper breeding should always be to eliminate all phenotypes but the one you slect for.. Yeews its a con you can't keep mother plants. But you can create seeds of any strain, only those that are repeatedly selfed show genetic drift.

I don't like autos for several reasons...
1, genetic drift. As you can't keep mothers alive, you are constantly moving away from the original stock.
2.having to buy seeds over and over and even then still possibly experience some of no 1.


Where I do think auto's shine is outdoors, as outdoor growers can get multiple grows in, in a season.
 

Frank Nitty

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Got any photos? I would like to see.
No, if they were bread properly, taken to at least F6, the genetics will be stable and they will look uniform. The goal of proper breeding should always be to eliminate all phenotypes but the one you slect for.. Yeews its a con you can't keep mother plants. But you can create seeds of any strain, only those that are repeatedly selfed show genetic drift.
Im an Autobot ,Optimus Grhymez...
 

Frank Nitty

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Any and everybody in the auto flower section can tell you how i fucked up.... From overnuting to snapping branches off my plants ,burning them up from my lights being too close, etc... Its all on here...
 

pop22

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Its alright! You doing fine now!



Any and everybody in the auto flower section can tell you how i fucked up.... From overnuting to snapping branches off my plants ,burning them up from my lights being too close, etc... Its all on here...
 

Humanrob

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Too many so called breeders femming F1 strains instead of properly taking to a stable generation.
No, if they were bread properly, taken to at least F6, the genetics will be stable and they will look uniform. The goal of proper breeding should always be to eliminate all phenotypes but the one you slect for.. Yeews its a con you can't keep mother plants. But you can create seeds of any strain, only those that are repeatedly selfed show genetic drift.
I think there is also some creative interpretation of what is standard being circulated in regards to "normal" amounts of pheno variations within any line. If the average person hears and believes that it's normal for seeds of one strain to show a very wide range of phenotypes, that makes it a lot easier on the breeder to let undeveloped F1 strains out. I've seen a few breeders actually state that they are selling F1's. It seems most "consumers" are more interested in something new than something stable.

True but where I live (washington, lateral 47 ish, not enough light when flowering time comes) autos are perfect for me. Thats why I love them outdoors. Im jealous of those in cali and all of those on the same lateral. Photos are only good indoors here. That or have some type of light deprivation greenhouse.
Similar here, just north of the 45th. I'm happy that it's legal here... but I wish they'd go with just flower quantity and not plant quantity. Even as a med grower, growing 6 autos vs. 6 photos outside is not comparable. With photos it's pretty easy to get 4-6 pounds from that even on a bad year (I just have one patient...). From a half dozen autos I'm expecting under a pound.
 

Frank Nitty

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I think there is also some creative interpretation of what is standard being circulated in regards to "normal" amounts of pheno variations within any line. If the average person hears and believes that it's normal for seeds of one strain to show a very wide range of phenotypes, that makes it a lot easier on the breeder to let undeveloped F1 strains out. I've seen a few breeders actually state that they are selling F1's. It seems most "consumers" are more interested in something new than something stable.



Similar here, just north of the 45th. I'm happy that it's legal here... but I wish they'd go with just flower quantity and not plant quantity. Even as a med grower, growing 6 autos vs. 6 photos outside is not comparable. With photos it's pretty easy to get 4-6 pounds from that even on a bad year (I just have one patient...). From a half dozen autos I'm expecting under a pound.
I guess you make sense to me when you put it like that... But what can i expect to get out of a photo in my 2x2x3 tent? That big weight shit is for those of you who have the room,or the privacy,or the legality to do so... I don't think there's much of a difference between autos and photos when it comes down to growing in a small tent...
 

Humanrob

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I guess you make sense to me when you put it like that... But what can i expect to get out of a photo in my 2x2x3 tent? That big weight shit is for those of you who have the room,or the privacy,or the legality to do so... I don't think there's much of a difference between autos and photos when it comes down to growing in a small tent...
I hear you and that’s what I’m going to find out this winter. Specifically I’ll be comparing output of photos under 12/12 (for flower) and autos under 20/4 — because 12/12 for me is an advantage indoors in terms of less electricity both in light and AC use...
 

Frank Nitty

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I hear you and that’s what I’m going to find out this winter. Specifically I’ll be comparing output of photos under 12/12 (for flower) and autos under 20/4 — because 12/12 for me is an advantage indoors in terms of less electricity both in light and AC use...
We can find out together... By that time I should have my other cabinet together...
 

Kegstand420

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We can find out together... By that time I should have my other cabinet together...
Sorry about the bad lighting but this is my afghani #1 freebie from Seedsman been growing since March 6 she’s only got some light lst but a decent amount of tops stretched out more than it filled in unlike some of my other girls but if I had a scrog net I think I could have almost doubled the amount of tops and weight it’s something to really look into frank
 

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Frank Nitty

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Sorry about the bad lighting but this is my afghani #1 freebie from Seedsman been growing since March 6 she’s only got some light lst but a decent amount of tops stretched out more than it filled in unlike some of my other girls but if I had a scrog net I think I could have almost doubled the amount of tops and weight it’s something to really look into frank
I agree... Im getting one for my next grow...
 

Frank Nitty

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If you were to set up some kind of scrog frank that tent could do wonders for you especially if you just wanted to focus on one or two plants
That was the question I was getting ready to ask... Im only going to grow 1-2 plants from here on out... I think that qb would be perfect for something like that!!!
 

Frank Nitty

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How do you know you made a mistake?
Dude, I put soooo much gh nutes into those plants that its not even funny!!! I measured out a mix for 5 gallons and put it in a 1 gallon milk jug and didn't realize it until I had already watered them... I thought it wss over for them cause even after I flushed they were still looking bad, except for the small auto... It was never affected at all... Its short because I started her later and I topped her... So yeah ,I made a lot of rookie mistakes...
 

Humanrob

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Dude, I put soooo much gh nutes into those plants that its not even funny!!! I measured out a mix for 5 gallons and put it in a 1 gallon milk jug and didn't realize it until I had already watered them... I thought it wss over for them cause even after I flushed they were still looking bad, except for the small auto... It was never affected at all... Its short because I started her later and I topped her... So yeah ,I made a lot of rookie mistakes...
I'm sure most of us have been there, mistakes are the better part of learning. It's amazing how some plants will shock and never fully recover after small misjudgments, and others weather all kinds of abuse and still stand strong.

A friend told me that autos can take a crazy amount of nutes, and that the folks that grow massive cola autos are running them as hard as they can under 24/0 lights with max'd out nutes. It makes me wonder how many they kill and they don't post photos of those... they just share the outrageous successes. It's nice that we share the good the bad and the ugly here, it's much more useful information.
 

MATTYMATT726

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I'm sure most of us have been there, mistakes are the better part of learning. It's amazing how some plants will shock and never fully recover after small misjudgments, and others weather all kinds of abuse and still stand strong.

A friend told me that autos can take a crazy amount of nutes, and that the folks that grow massive cola autos are running them as hard as they can under 24/0 lights with max'd out nutes. It makes me wonder how many they kill and they don't post photos of those... they just share the outrageous successes. It's nice that we share the good the bad and the ugly here, it's much more useful information.
24 on is what im doing and they like it, but ive heard that autos are nute sensitive and like them light.
 

Humanrob

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24 on is what im doing and they like it, but ive heard that autos are nute sensitive and like them light.
LOL, that's why we have to try things ourselves, we've all heard a lot of things. So far what I've found is that it all can be true -- depending on the strain you are growing -- some like a lot, some like a little (the person who I was talking with was growing Mephisto strains, if that makes any difference). I also read a comprehensive article that largely went over my head about how all plants need a dark period for certain necessary metabolic processes... on the other hand I've read consistently that autos can thrive under 24/0. So who knows.

I'll hedge my bets next winter (my first auto indoor) and go 20/4, I doubt I'll lose too much growth with 4 hours of darkness and maybe the "rest" will do them good. I suppose that's my answer to most things, some path down the middle. I'm not trying to break any records, I just want them to finish well. I'd rather have a plant that ended at 75% of it's genetic potential, than one that I burnt to a crisp attempting to squeeze 100% out of it. :bigjoint:
 
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