Inside the Mind of Climate Denial

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Buddha2525 said:
But that's not what happened. Even your ultra leftist liberal Daily Beast knows the truth. It wasn't "racism and sexism," the reality is your own had enough of you calling them those things.

It's very funny you will accept votes from the "uneducated sexist whites" who've voted since Kennedy to Obama for Democrat presidents, but then you insult them during the Trump campaign.

How doesn't it make sense that if you had shut up about bathrooms, white privilege, and sexism, you would've kept those "stupid patriarchal gringos" voting for your cause until the day they died?

This is how your former Democrat lovers now feel about you.

"“My party, the party that was supposed to be the party of the working guy, the guy I stood up for and worked for all of my career, was no longer part of this new ascending Democratic coalition. Blue-collar America essentially had the door shut in its face,” he says."

"The enduring self-identity of the mining life is part of the mystery of Luzerne that reporters and pundits and national Democrats missed when calculating who a Luzerne County voter is, according to Harry. They made the same mistake in places like this around the country.

Throughout and after the 2016 campaign, national news outlets were full of derision for this easy-to-spot hard-core type of Trump voter. “Trump owes his victory to the uninformed,” screamed a piece in Foreign Policy magazine two days after the election, under the unnuanced headline “Trump Won Because Voters Are Ignorant, Literally.” It became formulaic for analysts who did not understand the Trump voter to ascribe their motivations to either economic desperation or a lack of intelligence, or both. “Why are white, uneducated voters willing to vote for Trump? Job unhappiness to be sure, but I would posit that it is also because they have not been adequately educated to understand just how dangerous a President Trump would be to the Constitution,” wrote one Newsweek pundit.

Those insults say more about their writers than the Luzerne County voters who too many journalists, sitting an easy drive away in their New York bureaus, did not come to meet. The common analytical inaccuracy of describing Trump supporters as unthoughtful rubes is driven as much by the lifestyles of the analysts as the intellect of those analyzed."
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Holy fuck you are annoying and misguided
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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growingforfun said:
Honestly if think anything has changed your mistaken. But there wont be any way to prove that to you until 2020 when the votes are counted.
You can be happy with only the bluest of hardline dems. And you'll learn that many people call that extremism.

At any rate... I'll again say this is a perfect time to keep your eyes open and learn as much as you can. Hopefully you remember as much of this as possible. I've been exactly where you are trust me, I may sound a little condescending or whatever like I'm being a dick to you, but I've been where you are an felt how your feeling. For me it was in the bush years. I bet you'll have this same exact conversation with a young Democrat the next cycle in 16 years. (6 more years of trump then 8 of Democrat then after 2 years of Republican)
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Why are you pretending to be a liberal?
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Fogdog said:
Climate change affect the poor more than anybody else. They live in the areas that will be flooded, when available they supplement their diet using food from forests and local fisheries, they are in no position to drill new wells or water purification plants in areas that turn to desert.
Economic studies show that the poor in the already warmer regions of the Southern US will take the largest hit in the US due to effects of climate change on lower productivity, lower crop yields and rise in crime due to loss of jobs. For some of the poorer countries in the world the loss in productivity is projected to be greater than 40%.

You seem to be saying that the cost will be borne by the poor when in fact renewable energy used in an intelligent way will reduce the costs and delivery of energy by generating power at the site rather than through transmission lines

There is no doubt that climate change due to human industrial activity is real. The only question remaining is how long do your "villainous corporations and governments" take to reduce emissions to level off and reduce climate change. Do you say we should go on until all fossil fuels are burned up? Do you have any idea what the effect on the environment will be if that happens?

I do as much as most in terms of activism, maybe more, through vote, my membership in a local water shed council and political contributions are guided by how a politician votes on environmental issues.

I'm not really interested in any media that doesn't come from a peer reviewed source by a scientist or other professional who has a reputable background on the subject, so please don't post your dilettante musings on my behalf.

I'll just leave this article with you. Rather than post an amatuerish and unqualified opinion, why don't you critique this article? You might learn something. The article is from the economist, published last year.

Climate change and inequality
The rich pollute, the poor suffer
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Russian bot......
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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growingforfun said:
You dont have to tell me your age outright. I guessed you were 18-22, and you pretty much accepted that. You also said you couldn't remember the bush years. Leaves it pretty clear.

Hahaha at least you agree your being pedantic! Rofl jesus fucking christ...
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Nope,

I didn't respond to your claim about my age. You can assume what you like. I didn't say I couldn't remember the bush years either. Are you fishing for personal information?

I'm glad you enjoy my honesty about myself. Unfortunately I find nothing amusing about you.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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growingforfun said:
Honestly if think anything has changed your mistaken. But there wont be any way to prove that to you until 2020 when the votes are counted.
You can be happy with only the bluest of hardline dems. And you'll learn that many people call that extremism.

At any rate... I'll again say this is a perfect time to keep your eyes open and learn as much as you can. Hopefully you remember as much of this as possible. I've been exactly where you are trust me, I may sound a little condescending or whatever like I'm being a dick to you, but I've been where you are an felt how your feeling. For me it was in the bush years. I bet you'll have this same exact conversation with a young Democrat the next cycle in 16 years. (6 more years of trump then 8 of Democrat then after 2 years of Republican)
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You don't sound condescending, you sound as if you are making shit up.

While I give no credence to opinion polls as a prediction of who will win an election in 2020, I can say that there is plenty of consistency showing sentiment away from hard core right wing Republican governance towards Democratic moderate liberal values. It's as if the US has taken a look at the image projected by Trump and the right wing GOP congress and was horrified at what we saw. Opinion has shifted hard away from Republicans in the past year, according to opinion polls. Not the hard core Trump voters, they were attracted to Trumps ugly racist and sexist rhetoric. But the sentiment among moderates and centrists has definitely shifted. Recent special elections show the same, including the amazing shift away from Republicans in the PA and VA special elections. If that sentiment holds through November, Trump will face at least a Democratic Party-controlled House in the fall. As I said, the only polls that really matter are election polls. They show strong signal of a debacle for Republicans.

You continue to spout your own opinions as if they were useful or valuable. They are not. You have trouble even tracking a conversation in on RIU. LOL
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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The pretend liberal is buck or anyone that follows his hysterical propoganda and fake news.

All the answers and solutions are hidden somewhere in the middle of the 2 extreme sets of beliefs.

Of course you would have to look past all the propoganda rather than repeat it.

But no one will concede even one ridiculously exagerated topic. Or even offer or consider a solution. Just both sides bitching like it’s a war.

We are all Americans you dopes. Maybe remember we are all neighbors. You are all helping them polarize us.




Hysterical liberals arm your weapons. FIRE!


MAGA right wingers. Oh yeah you are probably ready to shoot anyway.


Independents. Oh hell independents aren’t even really in the fight. Shame.

They are all on the same side. Their own.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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MichiganMedGrower said:
The pretend liberal is buck or anyone that follows his hysterical propoganda and fake news.

All the answers and solutions are hidden somewhere in the middle of the 2 extreme sets of beliefs.

Of course you would have to look past all the propoganda rather than repeat it.

But no one will concede even one ridiculously exagerated topic. Or even offer or consider a solution. Just both sides bitching like it’s a war.

We are all Americans you dopes. Maybe remember we are all neighbors. You are all helping them polarize us.




Hysterical liberals arm your weapons. FIRE!


MAGA right wingers. Oh yeah you are probably ready to shoot anyway.


Independents. Oh hell independents aren’t even really in the fight. Shame.

They are all on the same side. Their own.
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You're quite the little leader, to bad your sole focus is buck and not a little problem called tRUmp or his enablers the GOP,keep up the good fight.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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MichiganMedGrower said:
The pretend liberal is buck or anyone that follows his hysterical propoganda and fake news.

All the answers and solutions are hidden somewhere in the middle of the 2 extreme sets of beliefs.

Of course you would have to look past all the propoganda rather than repeat it.

But no one will concede even one ridiculously exagerated topic. Or even offer or consider a solution. Just both sides bitching like it’s a war.

We are all Americans you dopes. Maybe remember we are all neighbors. You are all helping them polarize us.




Hysterical liberals arm your weapons. FIRE!


MAGA right wingers. Oh yeah you are probably ready to shoot anyway.


Independents. Oh hell independents aren’t even really in the fight. Shame.

They are all on the same side. Their own.
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So have you sued your doctor for malpractice because your shoulder isn't 100% repaired. Just like you sued a bicycle repair shop because you had a bicycle accident?

It's never your fault is it?
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Fogdog said:
So have you sued your doctor for malpractice because your shoulder isn't 100% repaired. Just like you sued a bicycle repair shop because you had a bicycle accident?

It's never your fault is it?
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I haven’t sued anyone. I told you I am bringing the bike back to the guy who worked on it to check it out before I make any decisions. In fact I am taking it to the bike shop Monday.

Not extreme liberal enough for you? What a hypocrite you are.

And my arm is healing over a month ahead of schedule. The surgeon doesn’t even want to see me for 3 months.

Thanks for asking fogduck. ;-)

What’s wrong with you? Your diversion just proves my comments correct.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Sorry you can't understand math. Also, the ways of the physical world aren't influenced by public opinion. Climate change will produce great hardship on the poor while the wealthy will be just fine.

The work was published in Scientific American. Not fluff at all.

The article of the Daily Beast doesn't really have anything to do with what we are talking about.
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The ways of the physical world most certainly ARE influenced by public opinion. How do you think all the activities that cause global warming continue?
 
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