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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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whitebb2727 said:
Its a survival mechanism I reckon. Not sure why it happens. It does. Though.

Even with the most stable strain cannabis can throw pollen to pass it's genetics on.

I'll have to dig to find the science behind it.

I do know that no fem breeder, that's respected anyways, will claim 100% female offspring. Usually they claim 99 or 99.9%.

Life will find a way.

The one to ask if I remember right is @Dr. Who .


Everywhere I've read it states like one in a thousand.

That doesn't mean that it is for every thousand. You may run several thousand and not see one.

Then again you may run a few hundred and see a few of them.
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jayblaze710 said:
I’m with you on this.

When it comes to male appearing plants from fem seeds, I believe there are two realistic options, with a possible third that is so rare as to not be worth considering.

The first - male pollen contamination. I truly believe people underestimate how simple it is for pollen contamination to occur. We’re talking about billions of pollen cells that have evolved to be spread over huge areas through wind alone. Even the most stringent and clean growers could have pollen contamination occur if they’ve had male pollen around anytime recently. And if you live in someplace like Mendocino county, forget about it. Cannabis pollen is all over the place.

2 - severe herms. A female that produces nearly all male flowers. This happened with Nspecta from CSI. He had what appeared to be a male. It threw only male flowers during early flowering. He kept it flowering for a long while, and then it suddenly started producing female flowers. It was just an extreme herm. Most would’ve killed it as soon as they saw male flowers, but being that he’s Nspecta, he kept it around out of curiousity and discovered it wasn’t actually a male.

The final option, chromosomal abnormalities. Plants do tend to survive chromosomal abnormalities better than animals, but it’s still an exceedingly rare circumstance. If people are finding multiple “males” then this certainly isn’t the cause. You’d also likely see other mutant traits along with intersex characteristics.
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The whole truth is that YES, Male beans do come from any type of method to get FEM beans!
Bottom line is: There is NO guarantee of 100% female seeds from making S1's! PERIOD! Several breeders state this on their sites. Riot seeds is an example off the top of my head.
Spoken with several other breeders on the subject. Same answers I gave you...

Contact ANY "QUALITY" breeder and ask.
You get an average of 1:3000 beans being male (I've had it happen 3 times. Twice by seeds bought, and once by seeds I made.)

How about twins from 1 bean. Harder to pin down but, around 1:1200 to 1:1500 beans is the ratio for that.

Why? Nature is Nature. It has variables, period. Think Chaos theory. The behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. This is mathematical definitions of possible variations, by outside influence.

Look at it this way. How is a growth pattern of a seed effected by environmental conditions it's germinated and grown in vs. the environmental conditions it's parents were grown in? This is very simple to see and the effect is part of plant nature, Yet, strains will vary in how fast, and just what this enviro shift is, when it starts. It does happen in clones also!

Now apply this same kind of ideal to the idea of a genetic variation. No matter what "perceived law" of genetic's you want to employ here. The mathematical probability IS there for it to happen.
This variation is highly limited in actual application, as can be seen by the 1:3000 ratio of occurrence. This 1:3000 could be seed # "what ever" out of how ever many are produced but, the actual ratio will be right along that 1:3000 !

Like Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum) said in Jurassic Park
Nature will find a way!
 
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dstroy

dstroy

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DVG humble pie cut at 53 days, been drying at 60% 70f. Just dry enough to trim up a small one. Good resin production.

Tastes like a spicy berry after hanging to dry and honestly I hope the taste doesn’t change after getting jarred, smelled like throw up in veg. Very nice taste, potent too. Slow lift and plateau.

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jayblaze710

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Dr. Who said:
The whole truth is that YES, Male beans do come from any type of method to get FEM beans!
Bottom line is: There is NO guarantee of 100% female seeds from making S1's! PERIOD! Several breeders state this on their sites. Riot seeds is an example off the top of my head.
Spoken with several other breeders on the subject. Same answers I gave you...

Contact ANY "QUALITY" breeder and ask.
You get an average of 1:3000 beans being male (I've had it happen 3 times. Twice by seeds bought, and once by seeds I made.)

How about twins from 1 bean. Harder to pin down but, around 1:1200 to 1:1500 beans is the ratio for that.

Why? Nature is Nature. It has variables, period. Think Chaos theory. The behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. This is mathematical definitions of possible variations, by outside influence.

Look at it this way. How is a growth pattern of a seed effected by environmental conditions it's germinated and grown in vs. the environmental conditions it's parents were grown in? This is very simple to see and the effect is part of plant nature, Yet, strains will vary in how fast, and just what this enviro shift is, when it starts. It does happen in clones also!

Now apply this same kind of ideal to the idea of a genetic variation. No matter what "perceived law" of genetic's you want to employ here. The mathematical probability IS there for it to happen.
This variation is highly limited in actual application, as can be seen by the 1:3000 ratio of occurrence. This 1:3000 could be seed # "what ever" out of how ever many are produced but, the actual ratio will be right along that 1:3000 !

Like Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum) said in Jurassic Park
Nature will find a way!
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I keep waiting for someone to actually point out the science behind this, but I keep seeing a bunch of bro science.

People might find “male” appearing plants in their fem seeds. They’re either from pollen contamination, or are extreme herms that will only produce female offspring. Which means it’s genotypically still a female despite its appearance.

Otherwise, people are arguing that a spontaneous mutation arose generating a brand new sex determination factor, which is ludicrous. If that occurred once every 3000 offspring, cannabis simply wouldn’t have sex chromosomes.
 
whytewidow

whytewidow

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ruby fruit said:
Dude listen to me ....
Your confusing me
I'm not touchy
Your confusing me
And your sounding a bit on edge..
There was once a time when you stated you weren't going to post anymore on this thread....that was 4 weeks ago
It's ok ......
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You even circled the part I said dont quote me on that. That I wasnt sure. Point in fact is. I make fem seeds, and I've made 100s of them. My shit works. You haven't made any. You pulling the shit of I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy. Jus like typical people in the cannabis community. When people ask for cuts. It's always on I know so n so he has it. You haven't made any fem seeds. So to me your point is irrelevant. Idc what your buddies cousins aunt does.... I'm done replying to your rubyfruit ass. If I was you I wouldn't attempt to make fem seeds. Bc apparently you're not even smart enough to use google search. Bc for the 2nd time a simple Google search tells you what you "SHOULD" USE PPM WISE. But instead you wanna talk dumb shit. Bc u have friend on Myspace that makes seeds. Well good for you.

Edit: and it tells you some plants are harder to reverse so you need a higher concentrate to get it to work. So before you start running your mouth about something you have no idea about. Do some research.
 
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Dr. Who said:
The whole truth is that YES, Male beans do come from any type of method to get FEM beans!
Bottom line is: There is NO guarantee of 100% female seeds from making S1's! PERIOD! Several breeders state this on their sites. Riot seeds is an example off the top of my head.
Spoken with several other breeders on the subject. Same answers I gave you...

Contact ANY "QUALITY" breeder and ask.
You get an average of 1:3000 beans being male (I've had it happen 3 times. Twice by seeds bought, and once by seeds I made.)

How about twins from 1 bean. Harder to pin down but, around 1:1200 to 1:1500 beans is the ratio for that.

Why? Nature is Nature. It has variables, period. Think Chaos theory. The behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. This is mathematical definitions of possible variations, by outside influence.

Look at it this way. How is a growth pattern of a seed effected by environmental conditions it's germinated and grown in vs. the environmental conditions it's parents were grown in? This is very simple to see and the effect is part of plant nature, Yet, strains will vary in how fast, and just what this enviro shift is, when it starts. It does happen in clones also!

Now apply this same kind of ideal to the idea of a genetic variation. No matter what "perceived law" of genetic's you want to employ here. The mathematical probability IS there for it to happen.
This variation is highly limited in actual application, as can be seen by the 1:3000 ratio of occurrence. This 1:3000 could be seed # "what ever" out of how ever many are produced but, the actual ratio will be right along that 1:3000 !

Like Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum) said in Jurassic Park
Nature will find a way!
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I've gotten twins from one seed twice in the last year.

There are some odd things that happen with cannabis.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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jayblaze710 said:
I keep waiting for someone to actually point out the science behind this, but I keep seeing a bunch of bro science.

People might find “male” appearing plants in their fem seeds. They’re either from pollen contamination, or are extreme herms that will only produce female offspring. Which means it’s genotypically still a female despite its appearance.

Otherwise, people are arguing that a spontaneous mutation arose generating a brand new sex determination factor, which is ludicrous. If that occurred once every 3000 offspring, cannabis simply wouldn’t have sex chromosomes.
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I keep waiting for you to provide the science that it can't happen.

Contact breeders and ask them.

Dr who said even ask riot seeds and ask.


It happens and I know for a fact it wasn't stray male pollen.


No one is claiming it happens a lot. If you get a number of people claiming males out of a fem run then ofds are something happened.

The precedent is there in certian reptiles and such. They can change sex if need be.

It happens. It's rare but still happens.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Here is something from Royal queen seeds and another article that claim males are possible in fems. I will email some breeders today and when I get a response I will post them.
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