kamikaza
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I think the answer to the OP question is different from one set up to another, and from grower to grower.
it depands on how you spce your plants apart, on the speed they are growing - faster in hydro, slower in soil. and on the strain you grow - some streach more the others.
for me, i usually set the screen at day 4-6 of flower.
pics here are day 4.
it depands on how you spce your plants apart, on the speed they are growing - faster in hydro, slower in soil. and on the strain you grow - some streach more the others.
for me, i usually set the screen at day 4-6 of flower.
pics here are day 4.
Jay G
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Whoooooaaaaaa! I think i need a bigger tent! Lol. What healthy, happy lookn girls! I think th general consensus is def n th first couple wks of flower. When i was lookin at tutorials, som seemed to b tucking while still n veg. Thats y i was confused. Thanks for the great answer, gues itll kinda b trial n error(which is how i learn most things). Also thanks for makn me jealous!!
coreywebster
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The consensus is most certainly not any point in flower.
No offence to anyone else or there set up but you attach the scrog screen in early veg. Like when you have 4 tops to bend and weave under it. You spend your veg time poking shoots back under until the net is 3/4 full. Then you have a node in every square before you flip to 1212 t which point you continue during stretch tucking then you remove everything below the net once all stretch is done.
Otherwise its not a scrog its some plants under a net getting some support.
Some plants and a net does not equal a Scrog. Its a perfectly fine way to grow but its still not a scrog.
Like I say, no offence to the guy above or the other dude who have wonderful set ups and im sure produce cracking harvests .
No offence to anyone else or there set up but you attach the scrog screen in early veg. Like when you have 4 tops to bend and weave under it. You spend your veg time poking shoots back under until the net is 3/4 full. Then you have a node in every square before you flip to 1212 t which point you continue during stretch tucking then you remove everything below the net once all stretch is done.
Otherwise its not a scrog its some plants under a net getting some support.
Some plants and a net does not equal a Scrog. Its a perfectly fine way to grow but its still not a scrog.
Like I say, no offence to the guy above or the other dude who have wonderful set ups and im sure produce cracking harvests .
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Jay G
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Ok!! Really?! Ibe never done a scrog, if you've read the rest of this thread. This was what i was readin bout earlier on.(wat u said).. but more recently in my journey, almost everyone says attach the screen once in flower. Assuming the stretch is goin to b more than adequate to fill the screen fully.I mean obviosly either wld wrk to level your plateau. And expose growth tips..but maybe just two different styles. Which is actually scrog? What youre sayn makes sense..as i train my plants solely in veg state, whether lst mainline, toppin, etc. Thanks for the opposing opinion....thats what was missin.. maybe needs a thread of its own?!
Jay G
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Thats to u... my bad!!
coreywebster
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The very definition of a scrog has be watered down over the years to the point its unrecognisable. But there are tutorials which are accurate as you have already seen.
There are some good examples and bad examples on this thread
https://www.rollitup.org/t/enter-the-scrog-scroggers-united-post-page.515987/page-186
All that really matters with any type of training is you fill your grow space the best way to suit your situation and make the most out of your lighting to get good yields and quality buds. There are many ways to skin a cat.
Im just a purist when it comes to definitions. It doesn't help that 99% of pre made scrog nets available to buy are not fit for purpose. Most of them are like 6" string nets, you want around 3" squares.
Follow the tutorials the first time, you will soon work out how best to do it as you gain experience!
Jay G
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Well thanks for puttn me right back where i fuckn started..lol..i wont argue with u, what ur talkn about made much more sense to me, no dis to anybody else. Just wen i read about the process, it made complete sense, and i only got confused wen i heard alot of contrary opinions. Now those make alot of sense.. guess ill have to try both and decide watz good for me..im sure alot depends on ur specific set upThe very definition of a scrog has be watered down over the years to the point its unrecognisable. But there are tutorials which are accurate as you have already seen.
There are some good examples and bad examples on this thread
https://www.rollitup.org/t/enter-the-scrog-scroggers-united-post-page.515987/page-186
All that really matters with any type of training is you fill your grow space the best way to suit your situation and make the most out of your lighting to get good yields and quality buds. There are many ways to skin a cat.
Im just a purist when it comes to definitions. It doesn't help that 99% of pre made scrog nets available to buy are not fit for purpose. Most of them are like 6" string nets, you want around 3" squares.
Follow the tutorials the first time, you will soon work out how best to do it as you gain experience!
fragileassassin
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anything less than 4 splits/tops is just main-lining/manifolding with a support net and not scrog imo
Im a fairly inexperienced grower, but ive been preparing for years reading stuff and I think of stuff like this with at least 12-16 colas per plant when I hear scrog.
https://www.growweedeasy.com/scrog-tutorial
I think a lot of ppl confuse screen of green with sea of green where you just cram a bunch of plants together under a screen to form once thick canopy.
Im building my screens with the pvc coated fencing like @kamikaza did, but im stretching it across adjustable height pvc frames.
Im a fairly inexperienced grower, but ive been preparing for years reading stuff and I think of stuff like this with at least 12-16 colas per plant when I hear scrog.
https://www.growweedeasy.com/scrog-tutorial
I think a lot of ppl confuse screen of green with sea of green where you just cram a bunch of plants together under a screen to form once thick canopy.
Im building my screens with the pvc coated fencing like @kamikaza did, but im stretching it across adjustable height pvc frames.
Jay G
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See i always thought the opposite.. i mainline all the time..but i usually use a tomato ring to support my colas..im sure a screen wld wrk as well or better, but my original tAke on scrog was that ur tuckn th tops allowin the smaller tips to grow straight up...but thats y i started th thread.. thnks for ur input!!
fragileassassin
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I think you're just overthinking things like a lot of us trying new things do.
You can use the screen whenever you feel the need to. It mostly personal preference.
some people use the screen very early on and use it to do a majority of their training while others use tie downs and stakes or other supports during the early stages and only use the screens to support taller plants later on.
You just use the screens when you feel it would be beneficial to. It performs the exact same function as your tomato cages, but once youre dealing with 12+ colas per plant its just easier to jam a branch through a hole.
My plants I plan to split 3 times to achieve an 8 branch manifold. For the first split I will use the soft wires to hold branches to my net pot edges. For the second split I will probably bring my screen in and attach to the screen for easier training.
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fragileassassin
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The method im going to try of manifolding is like some scrog methods ive seen, you split the 3rd node sideways and pin the branches flat, and then let the 1st and 3rd nodes of those 2 branches grow straight up after topping the branches back to the 3rd node.
Using the branches and letting the smaller tips grow up is supposed to cut down the extended veg time a bit, but it and repeated topping can achieve similar results.
Jay G
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Yea like a nebula "mainline" right.. i got one of those goin for 16 heads. And a tru mainline goin for 8.. ill post a pic n a min. I love mainlining but honestly i was hopin scrogging wld save me some veg time..as i can topp n lst the fuck out a plant faster than main lining...but i guess u sayn.. that may not b th case..
fragileassassin
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Oh yeah i guess thats pretty much exactly what im planning to do lmao.
I may be way off here too and im sure someone will let me know if im wrong (lmao!), but ive pretty much always looked at scrog as just an extended mainline/manifold with a focus on maintaining as even branch height as possible while splitting as many times as you can be patient for. More about a bigger end result than saving time.
Like this plant, i wouldnt call this a scrog plant. It has a lot on top, but they're all uneven and different sizes and its just a tangled mess with a big canopy. For me scrog and uniformity go hand in hand.
GuerillaGOAT
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Do you have a journal on this when I buy my house I have to have a setup like this never seen a site so beautiful! I have a few harvests to get my practice in
Jay G
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I dont think its th only way to do a scrog, (mainline)but prolly th best way to do it...so lets say u do it, get 16 main cola sites.... wld u then be just letting those 16 grow straight up? Or wld u still b tuckn them? And the smaller growth tips off them, growing straight up? Also this will b my very 1st time doin a Nebula "mainline". Def time saving over the classic method. I wonder how even th colas will actually end up. Ive seen before where people do a scrog and basically just top once, let the two new tips grow to th left n right , n just keep tying them down as they grow lettn every tip grow straight up until theyre satisfied. Seems like a viable, maybe quicker method. I do kno alot of people, from what ive seen, dont mainline at all wen they scrog.Oh yeah i guess thats pretty much exactly what im planning to do lmao.
I may be way off here too and im sure someone will let me know if im wrong (lmao!), but ive pretty much always looked at scrog as just an extended mainline/manifold with a focus on maintaining as even branch height as possible while splitting as many times as you can be patient for. More about a bigger end result than saving time.
Like this plant, i wouldnt call this a scrog plant. It has a lot on top, but they're all uneven and different sizes and its just a tangled mess with a big canopy. For me scrog and uniformity go hand in hand.
Jay G
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Also, i kno Heisengrow, said that he mainlines his scrogs as wellOh yeah i guess thats pretty much exactly what im planning to do lmao.
I may be way off here too and im sure someone will let me know if im wrong (lmao!), but ive pretty much always looked at scrog as just an extended mainline/manifold with a focus on maintaining as even branch height as possible while splitting as many times as you can be patient for. More about a bigger end result than saving time.
Like this plant, i wouldnt call this a scrog plant. It has a lot on top, but they're all uneven and different sizes and its just a tangled mess with a big canopy. For me scrog and uniformity go hand in hand.
GuerillaGOAT
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Noob here I’m planning on taking the scrog route since I’m limited on grow space especially height (6x4x5). But the 4 way explanations have been the easiest for me to understand