The Nature Farm Genetics, is he legit?

[Mr Gold Nuggs]

keep us all updated with your experience hopefully they live up2 there descriptions they sound killer

 

[jimihendrix1]

I gave a pack of each to my buddy that's running the Granny Skunk.

They should be a week or 2 old now.

Nature Farm says the Weasel cut is his desert island weed.

 

[blowincherrypie]

At 4 weeks its already loaded with a lot more resin than the other plants ( 4-5 other strains ) weve been growing for 5-6 years. Visibly you can tell its going to be wicked. And the smell is to die for. Much better than anything else in the garden.

Ive also been growing weed since 1972, and Ive seen enough weed to be able to give it a good judgement call before I smoke it.

I guess man.. Ive grown shit a couple times that looked and smelled great but just didnt pack much of a punch... You've grown long enough to know you cant pass judgment on shit before you smoke it. I was with you for most of this and hoping the best but saying shit like this is... shilly as hell man.

Here let me help..

I can tell just by looking at the seeds that these are some magic seeds. Each seed will grow plants that will grow multiple pounds of weed that hasn't been seen for over a decade. I havent actually smoked any but it will be better than any weed I have ever smoked.. I can just tell.

....


gtfoh

 

[Tangerine_]

I agree you cant make any kind of solid determination of a plants potency in veg or early flower but I do find it curious (well not really) that others who make these claims don't meet the same criticism.

 

[SFnone]

i think in this case jimi comes off like he knows everything- early in the swami seed thread he was telling everybody that gas was that guy in the robes, which he isn't- and he was SURE of it- there were also other inconsistencies in his posts on that thread... I don't know him or his story or who/what he knows, so I am not trying to discredit him in any way- the way he is so all in on things can seem a little odd though...

 

[jimihendrix1]

Nevil always said he relied on his nose. And of course the end result is the ultimate test.
I also know what my old stuff smelled like in every stage of development, and Ive been looking for it since I got out of prison in 2009. if a strain doesn't have the smell Im looking for early on. It aint gonna have it later on.

The feds got my stuff in 1997, and I was in their grasp until 2009. 12 years, Had 1000 clones. Partner ratted me out. Got a mandatory minimum 10-life, and had been growing weed for 25 years at that point..... And I know exactly what Im trying to replace, and youre dead wrong if you don't think I cant smell it out. I know if it doesn't have a certain smell even when small, its not going to be what Im looking for.

Im only interested in a certain terpene profile. I can smell it early on..

My stuff was a NL5/Haze x Hashplant x SSSC S1.. That's why Im so adamant about these genetics.

The stuff I had was the best shit Id seen since the 70s, and have seen 000 that compares to it for indoor growing, especially where potency is involved.

Some of the The Dominion strains have the Skelly/SSSC Sk1 like mine had in it, and the plants that were growing now, have the smell profile early on, that is very very similar to the stuff I had in the 90s. Duke basically uses the Same Daddy Genetics as mine, and the stuff was the shit.
And it does smell the closest to it.
I can also promise you that a plant doesn't smell, and have the resin production like this with still 30 days more to flower, and not be anything but wicked. Its already sticky to the touch.

So also consider the VA Afghani is considered by many people to be the most potent stuff they ever had.

And I know from experience using Hashplant, and Sk1 males in hybrids. I never saw a bad plant come of then in the 80s and 90s.

Everyhting they came into contact with was pure fire.

So also consider Ive had 33 years knowledge, and 12 years of practical application using these genetics. Except I never had the Chem91 VA, nor the VA Afghani.

But its crazy to think its not going to produce dynamite, and also consider theres a ton of photos, and grows from his gear and the basic outcome is known.

So I can strong say that going by photo evidence, and smoke, and grow reports from over 2 years documentation.

This stuff is going to be the shit. And DD is also not known to be a BSer, nor misrepresent his genetics.

So I know the genes, and I know what my nose knows.

Doesn't matter to me if you agree or not. I know what I want. nd all of the Dominion stuff reeks from early on.

I also learned within weeks after even knowing who Swami was that the guy in the robe, aint the same guy.

I though he was for maybe a month.

Also Swami Select guy also gat his ass torn for misrepresenting himself, and was using some of Gas' genetics, and taking credit for it.

I quicky told others this was not the same guy, as soon as I learned the Swami Select guy was less than honest.

Everyone makes mistakes, and I will for sure own up to mine. But I still know what my nose is looking for. And While of course you cant tell everyting by smell early on, I can early on tell if a plant has the smell I want from a plant early on, as a plant that doesn't have a strong smell from the beginning, is not a strain Im looking for.

ALL of the best stuff Ive ever had for indoor completely reeked.

Original AK47. You could smell it down the block. Like cat piss, and flowers. White Widow, and many others have the smell Im looking for, but isn't in the strains like it used to be.

Nd this smell is apparent fromearly on.

When I grew Mex back in the 70s, that shit stunk like a pine forest. REEKED of it.

So for me if shit doesn't reek early on, from my experience, in the long run, it will be, and is less desirable. For ME. YMMV.

 

[Tangerine_]

i think in this case jimi comes off like he knows everything- early in the swami seed thread he was telling everybody that gas was that guy in the robes, which he isn't- and he was SURE of it- there were also other inconsistencies in his posts on that thread... I don't know him or his story or who/what he knows, so I am not trying to discredit him in any way- the way he is so all in on things can seem a little odd though...

Possibly. I've only read a few posts from Jimi.
From an outsiders perspective I see people just looking to argue and in this case it was one line in a very long post.


I'll bet if this cat was offering free shit the tone would be very different in here.

 

[blowincherrypie]

I agree you cant make any kind of solid determination of a plants potency in veg or early flower but I do find it curious (well not really) that others who make these claims don't meet the same criticism.

who else has made claims of potency, to the point of being the best, before smoking? That would be a great read.. Point me to it and I shall criticize.. cuz that's some BULLSHIT

Nevil always said he relied on his nose. And of course the end result is the ultimate test.
I also know what my old stuff smelled like in every stage of development, and Ive been looking for it since I got out of prison in 2009. if a strain doesn't have the smell Im looking for early on. It aint gonna have it later on.

The feds got my stuff in 1997, and I was in their grasp until 2009. 12 years, Had 1000 clones. Partner ratted me out. Got a mandatory minimum 10-life, and had been growing weed for 25 years at that point..... And I know exactly what Im trying to replace, and youre dead wrong if you don't think I cant smell it out. I know if it doesn't have a certain smell even when small, its not going to be what Im looking for.

Im only interested in a certain terpene profile. I can smell it early on..

My stuff was a NL5/Haze x Hashplant x SSSC S1.. That's why Im so adamant about these genetics.

The stuff I had was the best shit Id seen since the 70s, and have seen 000 that compares to it for indoor growing, especially where potency is involved.

Some of the The Dominion strains have the Skelly/SSSC Sk1 like mine had in it, and the plants that were growing now, have the smell profile early on, that is very very similar to the stuff I had in the 90s. Duke basically uses the Same Daddy Genetics as mine, and the stuff was the shit.
And it does smell the closest to it.
I can also promise you that a plant doesn't smell, and have the resin production like this with still 30 days more to flower, and not be anything but wicked. Its already sticky to the touch.

So also consider the VA Afghani is considered by many people to be the most potent stuff they ever had.

And I know from experience using Hashplant, and Sk1 males in hybrids. I never saw a bad plant come of then in the 80s and 90s.

Everyhting they came into contact with was pure fire.

So also consider Ive had 33 years knowledge, and 12 years of practical application using these genetics. Except I never had the Chem91 VA, nor the VA Afghani.

But its crazy to think its not going to produce dynamite, and also consider theres a ton of photos, and grows from his gear and the basic outcome is known.

So I can strong say that going by photo evidence, and smoke, and grow reports from over 2 years documentation.

This stuff is going to be the shit. And DD is also not known to be a BSer, nor misrepresent his genetics.

So I know the genes, and I know what my nose knows.

Doesn't matter to me if you agree or not. I know what I want. nd all of the Dominion stuff reeks from early on.

I also learned within weeks after even knowing who Swami was that the guy in the robe, aint the same guy.

I though he was for maybe a month.

Also Swami Select guy also gat his ass torn for misrepresenting himself, and was using some of Gas' genetics, and taking credit for it.

I quicky told others this was not the same guy, as soon as I learned the Swami Select guy was less than honest.

Everyone makes mistakes, and I will for sure own up to mine. But I still know what my nose is looking for. And While of course you cant tell everyting by smell early on, I can early on tell if a plant has the smell I want from a plant early on, as a plant that doesn't have a strong smell from the beginning, is not a strain Im looking for.

ALL of the best stuff Ive ever had for indoor completely reeked.

Original AK47. You could smell it down the block. Like cat piss, and flowers. White Widow, and many others have the smell Im looking for, but isn't in the strains like it used to be.

Nd this smell is apparent fromearly on.

When I grew Mex back in the 70s, that shit stunk like a pine forest. REEKED of it.

So for me if shit doesn't reek early on, from my experience, in the long run, it will be, and is less desirable. For ME. YMMV.

I'll admit I only skimmed but yes if bud doesn't smell 99% of the time it's trash.. but it doesn't work the other way around. You cant say that just cuz it smells great its going to be the best. You've been at this long enough to know that.

 

[jimihendrix1]

Never said it was the best weed.

I said my buddy says its the Best Smelling Weed hes ever smelled, in 45 years.

I say that is a very good sign. Hes smelled a lot of weed, and to say this stuff smells the best ever, I take him very seriously, and he also said it was more resinous at this point vs 4-5 other strains he started flowering at the same time. These are outperforming stuff weve been using for 6 years. That's the statement.

Our Super Silver Haze is from 10 packs of Mr Nice SSH growon out to F2, and then we went through over 200 females to find out keeper.

The Granny Skunk is already more resinous, and doing better than our prized plant. Though the Granny wont get nearly as big, or produce as much. We get 24oz a plant on the SSH under 1000w Gavita, and 15 gallons Promix BX. d say the Granny will do 18oz.

But my buddy says he can tell this is going to be a couple notches above what weve got. I believe him.

Man I just want people to get some good genes. If they don't, its no skin off of me.

And I know for 100% fucking %% sure real deal Chem91 VA crossed with Skelly/SSSC Sk1, is going to completely blow the top of your head off. It has to.

I just know I did 12 years worth of federal prison stint, aand when I came out in 2009, and started looking for good genes like I had before. They were nowhere to be found.

Ive spent at least $6000 a year on seeds for the last 9 years, and have been highly disappointed on most occasions.

Ive smoked shit people bring back from Colorado, Cali, Michigan, and its still got all the THC ratings ect, and they had some the that rates a 29% ( White Caramel Cookies ) is at best fucking mid grade. Ive smoked no less than 20 different strains and every one of them is less potent than what we have, and I myself consider what we have, except for a Swami Blue Orca Haze that was found after 50 females. At best B+, when the stuff the feds got of mine was an A+++++.
But think what you wish. Unless you've had experience growing, breeding some of these old genetics, they are some of the best youre going to come across, and they hybridize like a MOF.

Think about it.

Theres a reason Sk1, NL5, were building blocks of many many strains. They are consistently potent, and consistently stable, and they pass these genetics to the offspring, and is well documented. Like I say. They used Sk1/NL5, PNW Hashplant extensively for breeding, and they are still held 35+ years later, and in the case of the Romulan cut, since 1979. Theres a reason all this stuff is still around. Its still relevant.

 

[Tangerine_]

who else has made claims of potency, to the point of being the best, before smoking? That would be a great read.. Point me to it and I shall criticize.. cuz that's some BULLSHIT



I'll admit I only skimmed but yes if bud doesn't smell 99% of the time it's trash.. but it doesn't work the other way around. You cant say that just cuz it smells great its going to be the best. You've been at this long enough to know that.

The GP thread is littered with this shit. C'mon now.

 

[SFnone]

Nevil always said he relied on his nose. And of course the end result is the ultimate test.
I also know what my old stuff smelled like in every stage of development, and Ive been looking for it since I got out of prison in 2009. if a strain doesn't have the smell Im looking for early on. It aint gonna have it later on.

The feds got my stuff in 1997, and I was in their grasp until 2009. 12 years, Had 1000 clones. Partner ratted me out. Got a mandatory minimum 10-life, and had been growing weed for 25 years at that point..... And I know exactly what Im trying to replace, and youre dead wrong if you don't think I cant smell it out. I know if it doesn't have a certain smell even when small, its not going to be what Im looking for.

Im only interested in a certain terpene profile. I can smell it early on..

My stuff was a NL5/Haze x Hashplant x SSSC S1.. That's why Im so adamant about these genetics.

The stuff I had was the best shit Id seen since the 70s, and have seen 000 that compares to it for indoor growing, especially where potency is involved.

Some of the The Dominion strains have the Skelly/SSSC Sk1 like mine had in it, and the plants that were growing now, have the smell profile early on, that is very very similar to the stuff I had in the 90s. Duke basically uses the Same Daddy Genetics as mine, and the stuff was the shit.
And it does smell the closest to it.
I can also promise you that a plant doesn't smell, and have the resin production like this with still 30 days more to flower, and not be anything but wicked. Its already sticky to the touch.

So also consider the VA Afghani is considered by many people to be the most potent stuff they ever had.

And I know from experience using Hashplant, and Sk1 males in hybrids. I never saw a bad plant come of then in the 80s and 90s.

Everyhting they came into contact with was pure fire.

So also consider Ive had 33 years knowledge, and 12 years of practical application using these genetics. Except I never had the Chem91 VA, nor the VA Afghani.

But its crazy to think its not going to produce dynamite, and also consider theres a ton of photos, and grows from his gear and the basic outcome is known.

So I can strong say that going by photo evidence, and smoke, and grow reports from over 2 years documentation.

This stuff is going to be the shit. And DD is also not known to be a BSer, nor misrepresent his genetics.

So I know the genes, and I know what my nose knows.

Doesn't matter to me if you agree or not. I know what I want. nd all of the Dominion stuff reeks from early on.

I also learned within weeks after even knowing who Swami was that the guy in the robe, aint the same guy.

I though he was for maybe a month.

Also Swami Select guy also gat his ass torn for misrepresenting himself, and was using some of Gas' genetics, and taking credit for it.

I quicky told others this was not the same guy, as soon as I learned the Swami Select guy was less than honest.

Everyone makes mistakes, and I will for sure own up to mine. But I still know what my nose is looking for. And While of course you cant tell everyting by smell early on, I can early on tell if a plant has the smell I want from a plant early on, as a plant that doesn't have a strong smell from the beginning, is not a strain Im looking for.

ALL of the best stuff Ive ever had for indoor completely reeked.

Original AK47. You could smell it down the block. Like cat piss, and flowers. White Widow, and many others have the smell Im looking for, but isn't in the strains like it used to be.

Nd this smell is apparent fromearly on.

When I grew Mex back in the 70s, that shit stunk like a pine forest. REEKED of it.

So for me if shit doesn't reek early on, from my experience, in the long run, it will be, and is less desirable. For ME. YMMV.

i'll go with you on the nl5/nh thing... years ago I used to get crazy weed from an old head- thought it was laced- it was better than some psychedelics- he insisted it wasn't laced with anything- eventually I got him to spill that one of 4 "ingredients" was nl/nh- I've tried several nl/hazes since then, and there just hasn't been anything all that impressive to them... enter swamiseed and my enthusiasm has been restored- admittedly i'm still growing them out and haven't tried any yet, but i'm optimistic. ... gu told me directly though that he grew it and that it wasn't anything special, so I will say that if it turns out to just be something people hyped up, i'll be kind of pissed. I think a lot of people feel that way- unless people have fully grown out the plants, they shouldn't come on and say how great a company's genetics are.

 

[blowincherrypie]

The GP thread is littered with this shit. C'mon now.

littered with people saying the bud is potent even though they've never smoked it?? Find me some of this litter.. Cuz if I would have read it I would have gladly pointed out how bogus of a statement it was. I don't see anyone looking to argue, personally I even asked for clarification. However, for someone who has the history (that he makes sure to spell out all the time) that he does he should know better than to say the shit he did without even fuckin smoking it. How many people have bought the beans directly because of what Jim has said? Now let's wait a couple months and see if the smoke reports line up.

 

[Tangerine_]

i'll go with you on the nl5/nh thing... years ago I used to get crazy weed from an old head- thought it was laced- it was better than some psychedelics- he insisted it wasn't laced with anything- eventually I got him to spill that one of 4 "ingredients" was nl/nh- I've tried several nl/hazes since then, and there just hasn't been anything all that impressive to them... enter swamiseed and my enthusiasm has been restored- admittedly i'm still growing them out and haven't tried any yet, but i'm optimistic. ... gu told me directly though that he grew it and that it wasn't anything special, so I will say that if it turns out to just be something people hyped up, i'll be kind of pissed. I think a lot of people feel that way- unless people have fully grown out the plants, they shouldn't come on and say how great a company's genetics are.

agree. ya gotta finish them before hyping them OR bashing them.

 

[Tangerine_]

littered with people saying the bud is potent even though they've never smoked it?? Find me some of this litter.. Cuz if I would have read it I would have gladly pointed out how bogus of a statement it was. I don't see anyone looking to argue, personally I even asked for clarification. However, for someone who has the history (that he makes sure to spell out all the time) that he does he should know better than to say the shit he did without even fuckin smoking it. How many people have bought the beans directly because of what Jim has said? Now let's wait a couple months and see if the smoke reports line up.

That's not what I said. But there are plenty of post from people who think they can tell how good a plant is from a picture or worse...while its vegging. Its the same convoluted bullshit.

 

[Bodyne]

I do think there are better plant pickers than others, so to speak. At some point, its a choice a chucker or breeder makes, however they do it. Not all can grow big numbers, they look for whatever they like the most in a plant, right or wrong. After awhile, like most things, some likeable tendencies are noticed like second nature, etc, with experience. jmho. In the old days, I think it was more selective due to the lesser numbers. Nowadays, cuts everywhere, warehouse grows, etc, scene changed a bit. jmho

 

[jimihendrix1]

Theres all kinds of grow, and smoke reports on the Dominion gear. Literally hundreds of photos, and smoke reports, and Ive not seen 1 bad report. As in 000000. Unless theyre all lying.

His Capital G was also a big hit at the Emerald Cup last year, and I saw a pack of it go for over $1100 on Seed O Holics auction site.

I can assume people know what theyre getting when they pay 1000+ for a pack of seeds. Must have wanted them really really bad.

The Local, and Pole Cat are supposed to be even better.
Duke has a huge following for a reason.
Dukes genetics are the real deal stuff.

No way you can look at a vegging plant and say it potent. But if you can get a good smell of it, you can often tell that the plant has favorable charistics that your trained nose is looking for, and may be worth the time to look at. But if it aint got the smell, then its a bust for me. And it must smell early on.

But no way you can tell potency by looking at structure. The worst looking plant may be the most potent.

Just like the scraggliest looking Pitbull, may be the 1 thats dead game. You cannot tell a book, by its cover.

 

[blowincherrypie]

That's not what I said. But there are plenty of post from people who think they can tell how good a plant is from a picture or worse...while its vegging. Its the same convoluted bullshit.

That's exactly what you said Tang..

My question:

who else has made claims of potency, to the point of being the best, before smoking? That would be a great read.. Point me to it and I shall criticize.. cuz that's some BULLSHIT

Your response

The GP thread is littered with this shit. C'mon now.

My whole point was you cant say something is the best, or how potent it is, without even smoking it. Not sure why you have a problem (or felt compelled to make your counter points??) with me pointing out that fact.. I'll leave you to it though.

 

[Tangerine_]

I do think there are better plant pickers than others, so to speak. At some point, its a choice a chucker or breeder makes, however they do it. Not all can grow big numbers, they look for whatever they like the most in a plant, right or wrong. After awhile, like most things, some likeable tendencies are noticed like second nature, etc, with experience. jmho. In the old days, I think it was more selective due to the lesser numbers. Nowadays, cuts everywhere, warehouse grows, etc, scene changed a bit. jmho

That makes sense. Especially if someone has many years of experience with certain genetics. It probably does become like second nature. I likened it to assessing a patient.
Complacency can cause you to overlook a complaint as something entirely different. Especially in the field during prehosp. care where interruptions/distractions happen often. (kinda missing my work tonight)
At the end of the day, the proof is always in the pipe.
This is basically my point. You cant tell if its trash and you cant tell if its fire unless you grow them to completion. Sometimes it takes more than one run.


Don't mind me guys. I'm just tired and torched right now.

 

[blowincherrypie]

That makes sense. Especially if someone has many years of experience with certain genetics. It probably does become like second nature. I likened it to assessing a patient.
Complacency can cause you to overlook a complaint as something entirely different. Especially in the field during prehosp. care where interruptions/distractions happen often. (kinda missing my work tonight)
At the end of the day, the proof is always in the pipe.
This is basically my point. You cant tell if its trash and you cant tell if its fire unless you grow them to completion. Sometimes it takes more than one run.


Don't mind me guys. I'm just tired and torched right now.

lol Mrs Tang, that was my only point.. Smoke one for me

 

[Tangerine_]

That's exactly what you said Tang..

My question:


Your response


My whole point was you cant say something is the best, or how potent it is, without even smoking it. Not sure why you have a problem (or felt compelled to make your counter points??) with me pointing out that fact.. I'll leave you to it though.

Did I really need to include the word lack thereof with regard to the whole "potency" statement?