TrichomeChaser
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Okay I’ll have to give that a try. And what should it do ideally? What should the ph and ppm be after it sits? And it doesn’t do that should I flush the plants?
Help saving these clones please
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3rd Monkey
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Well your ppm will likely be over 300 due to salts in the coco and what you've been feeding. My guess is 400-500, which is not good. Ph should fall between 6 and 7 which is normal.
Luckily, you're in coco and it's very easy to flush and dries out quick.
Let's see what it is and go from there. Do you have peroxide, 30%?
TrichomeChaser
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Okay so I just watered/fed and the runoff ph is right around 6.1-6.2 and the ppm is def high. low 600s and what I’m putting in is just under 200 so def some buildup. I have peroxide but not 30% I don’t think. Can get it though. What you thinking I should do? Just watered a few minutes ago so should I wait until tomorrow and do another water/light feed but do it with more then usual as a flush?
3rd Monkey
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Ph is good. That 600 isn't buildup per se, it's salts from the unflushed coco. That's what's locking you out and burning your tips.
Now, and this is just an option, you can give it a peroxide flush. This will do 2 things. Bust up the salts around the roots and release more oxygen into the coco. Most people will criticize the hell out of this, so I'm just throwing it out as an option, which will be quicker than the next option. I have done this and still do it when I flush. I like H202. Teaspoon to a gallon.
Option 2 is to keep feeding at your 200 with a fair amount of runoff twice a day. I would prefer some perlite in there so you could do 3 or 4 times a day, but it's ok. Keep the pots warm and a light breeze on the plants, just enough to make them wiggle. This will help it dry quicker and push the plants to suck up more water and nutes. You just want to make sure it's the right nutes at the right ph, twice a day.
Every time you water/feed coco it's always to runoff, always.
TrichomeChaser
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Okay that makes sense. I def have a couple things to do differently next round. Just gotta get these girls better first.
Now what is the downside to doing the peroxide flush? Does it have negative affects? Sounds like the better route if it is quicker but you said some people would criticize it?
3rd Monkey
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You'll be alright, just a learning curve.
It can damage small root fibers in too heavy of a concentration. So people get scared of it and then there goes the hype and propaganda. If you are at all worried, you can go 1/2 teaspoon.
Other than that, no side effects or negatives. It's just water with an extra oxygen molecule.
It is quicker though because you are pumping oxygen into the root zone (which they will love) and it will push out salts and neutralize some of the excess in there.
TrichomeChaser
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Sounds good to me I will give that a shot tomorrow. Just gotta grab some 30% peroxide. Try that out and see if I can get these babies back on track. Really appreciate you walking me thru this. You’ve been a big help so thank you for taking the time
3rd Monkey
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No problem. I had an issue when I started using coco too. I didn't have anyone to help me though. Killed a few plants lol. I prefer coco as an amendment instead of a straight medium. It's very good for aeration and water retention, yet dries quickly. Just doesn't hold nutrients for very long.
TrichomeChaser
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Yeah I’ve heard a lot of good things about it so I had to give it a shot. Lol I Hear ya there it’s def nice having this site for when ya can’t figure something out. If not for it im sure I’d have a couple dead plants in the near future as well.
Roger A. Shrubber
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at 30%, you can use up to 5 ml per gallon for a shock treatment, then use it at 3 ml per gallon once a week, to keep it sterile, oxygenate the root zone, and help dissolve any dead root tissue. sustained use at over 3 ml per gallon will cause damage eventually.
TrichomeChaser
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Sounds good thanks for the info man
Roger A. Shrubber
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np, and that's my first hand experience, not something i read somewhere. i run sterile hempy buckets, 70/30 coco/perlite, and i use 30% h2o2 to keep them that way.
TrichomeChaser
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Alright I think they are getting back on track. I wasn’t able to get any 30% h202 because I got outta work too late the other day and I’ve also been sick since the day I posted the thread. However I did use some 3% and did 2 tsp into 2 gallons and 1 more yesterday with 3tsp into 2 gallons and it seems to have done the job. Just did a light feeding on them today with the advanced nutrients. Only did it at 175 ppm to see how the run off was and it is sitting at 260. So big difference from the 630 it was the other day. I was thinking I would proceed with the feedings and see if we can start to see some growth soon.
3rd Monkey
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Sounds good, glad you got it cleared up.
TrichomeChaser
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I really wish I put perlite into this mix. Been watering daily but they don’t dry up as much as i wish they would. Not a lot of water either. Not even a cup each and get run off. They are starting to grow again but haven’t taken off. Starting to get some green on top of coco from them staying wet too. Should I let them dry out more inbetween waterings or any recommendations? It’s just holding the water too long
Thanks
3rd Monkey
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I have mine up off the ground and I go by pot weight. How are you checking yours?
TintEastwood
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We gotta know our coco. 3rd knows!
This article is awesome for any cocoholic.
https://cocoforcannabis.com/needcalmag/
Maang, I only wish I had this info 2 years ago. Still learning about coco.
Happy growing.
This article is awesome for any cocoholic.
https://cocoforcannabis.com/needcalmag/
Maang, I only wish I had this info 2 years ago. Still learning about coco.
Happy growing.
TrichomeChaser
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I have been going by weight as well but I have also been trying to water daily because several people had said coco should be watered daily. Should I try every other day until they are drying out quicker?
For real! I really wish the guy at the store told me to throw perlite in when I asked if I should add anything to it. Regretted that one pretty quick. Mistakes happen though. That’s how we learn. Just annoying. Hoping these things can bounce back and still finish strong. They have had a rough couple weeks. Thanks for the link to that article. I’m def going to save that and read up some more.
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3rd Monkey
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You don't need perlite. I don't use it. It surely won't hurt but it's not necessary. I see your problem already. It's how you water.
When you water in anything, you need fine holes in the head. Otherwise, it compacts, which is what you have going on.
Get one of those 2qt Juicy Juice jugs or something similar and put 5 holes in the cap with the smallest drill bit you have, so you have to squeeze for it to come out.
Compaction will also slow down aeration, as in your case... That's why people use so much perlite.
Also, you don't need to water every time. You are rocking clones with little root mass, so it's only necessary to water when they need it.
When all else fails, trust your judgement and common sense. Water when they need it, not when people on the Internet tell you to.
They look fine, little hungry maybe.
TrichomeChaser
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I have been going by weight as well but I have also been trying to water daily because several people had said coco should be watered daily. Should I try every other day until they are drying out quicker?
For real! I really wish the guy at the store told me to throw perlite in when I asked if I should add anything to it. Regretted that one pretty quick. Mistakes happen though. That’s how we learn. Just annoying. Hoping these things can bounce back and still finish strong. They have had a rough couple weeks. Thanks for the link to that article. I’m def going to save that and read up some more.