DonBrennon
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From previous experience, the deionised water works fine for making sts
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coreywebster
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Cheers Don. Im just waiting on the Silver Nitrate now so im looking forward to playing chemist.
Baja.Beaches
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As I recall the Skunky VA (Chem ’91 Skunk VA x Skunky Brewster) & the Chem ’91 Skunk VA x Granny Skunk were from different Chem ’91 Skunk VA females, right?
Interesting germination differences, end the end I went 10 for 10 (5 each) but the Skunky VA was eager, all 5 ready in about 36 hours, the Granny Skunk crosses at that time had only one tail. Took 5 full days for the last of the Grannies to pop but all are now planted. Surprised at the differences but pleased.
That Chem D Mom you showed, how big of a pot are you using for your mother plants? I never had the space for them in the past but have one candidate I am considering. Space is so limited, all a matter of priorities I suppose.
Sure has gotten quiet around here, I miss some of our departed friends & the sense of community.
Interesting germination differences, end the end I went 10 for 10 (5 each) but the Skunky VA was eager, all 5 ready in about 36 hours, the Granny Skunk crosses at that time had only one tail. Took 5 full days for the last of the Grannies to pop but all are now planted. Surprised at the differences but pleased.
That Chem D Mom you showed, how big of a pot are you using for your mother plants? I never had the space for them in the past but have one candidate I am considering. Space is so limited, all a matter of priorities I suppose.
Sure has gotten quiet around here, I miss some of our departed friends & the sense of community.
Schwaggy P
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The Chemdog'91(skva) is a clone only female of the original Chemdog popped in 1991 by Mass G. The seeds came from a bag of Dogbud sold to him by Joe Brand. The other Chem'91(JB) is a "fake" Chem'91 that came from Joe Brand later on. The "skva" is an abbreviation for Skunk VA, which references the guy Skunk VA who held on to the original Chem'91 cut. After Mass G lost the Chem'91 cut, Skunk VA was the only guy that had the cut and his name was attached to it. So there is only one Chem'91(skva) female.
If you were asking if I used two separate cuts of Chem'91(skva) to be pollinated by each male, I did use separate cuts to be pollinated.
Glad they all popped. It will be interesting to see the side-by-side with different males.
The Chem D is in a 1 gallon fabric pot. I also use 5" square pots to keep moms going.
Seems many have moved on.
Schwaggy P
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I had a plant from seed do that half variegation thing many years ago and thought it was TMV. I was crushed thinking that I had this virus in the garden and was worrying about having to scrap everything and nuke the place. Decided to just ride with it and realized it was not TMV. Looking back it's funny now, but at the time it was very stressful.we still here
chemD will do the half the finger leaf turn yellowing when roots are cramped, back in the day we thought it was tobacco mosaic virus
DonBrennon
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Is TMV actually real in cannabis? Or, maybe it's just a US thing?, I know quite a few growers, I've known them for a longtime and I've never heard it mentioned except on forums. Then again, we don't get russet mites over here too, thank fuck.I had a plant from seed do that half variegation thing many years ago and thought it was TMV. I was crushed thinking that I had this virus in the garden and was worrying about having to scrap everything and nuke the place. Decided to just ride with it and realized it was not TMV. Looking back it's funny now, but at the time it was very stressful.
Baja.Beaches
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Thanks for the clarification, I was trying to find an explanation for the germination differences, not that it really mattered, just curious. Of course I will be sharing results, that is part of the fun.The Chemdog'91(skva) is a clone only female of the original Chemdog popped in 1991 by Mass G. The seeds came from a bag of Dogbud sold to him by Joe Brand. The other Chem'91(JB) is a "fake" Chem'91 that came from Joe Brand later on. The "skva" is an abbreviation for Skunk VA, which references the guy Skunk VA who held on to the original Chem'91 cut. After Mass G lost the Chem'91 cut, Skunk VA was the only guy that had the cut and his name was attached to it. So there is only one Chem'91(skva) female.
If you were asking if I used two separate cuts of Chem'91(skva) to be pollinated by each male, I did use separate cuts to be pollinated.
Glad they all popped. It will be interesting to see the side-by-side with different males.
The Chem D is in a 1 gallon fabric pot. I also use 5" square pots to keep moms going.
Seems many have moved on.
5" pots for a Mom? What kind of lighting? That sounds interesting.
Pic is your Green Crack CBD/Jabba Stash, 2 outdoor girls looking healthy. The indoor one is in early flower & has adjusted but it really did not like moving indoors. It shares the indoors space with Apollo 11s that loved getting out of the wind & rain & perked up when moved. I almost took yours out after 2 days because it looked so unhappy, it has adjusted tho. Still not as perky as the outdoors.
Schwaggy P
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I can't say for sure, I haven't really seen TMV outside of forums either. I think the russet mites are more of a west coast US pest, but with the sharing of cuts, I've heard of them popping up on the east coast too.
Schwaggy P
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I can keep the moms in the 5" pots for a few rounds of cuts before needing to reset them. I have them under a 320W quantum board LED.
They are looking nice. I'm somewhat glad I don't have the option to grow outdoors, because I'd end up over extending myself planting too many.
Frank Nitty
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Dont really cee that as a problem...I can keep the moms in the 5" pots for a few rounds of cuts before needing to reset them. I have them under a 320W quantum board LED.
They are looking nice. I'm somewhat glad I don't have the option to grow outdoors, because I'd end up over extending myself planting too many.
Baja.Beaches
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It is way too easy outdoors to just stick cull candidates in some neglected corner somewhere. I am really trying to harden my heart & do more culling. Can't focus on everything.They are looking nice. I'm somewhat glad I don't have the option to grow outdoors, because I'd end up over extending myself planting too many.
Thanks for the Mom info, plenty of Mother plant info out there but I was interested in the professor's take. Thanks.
Schwaggy P
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Some plants can start flowering if you keep them too cramped for too long, so I usually just keep them in the smaller pots for a few round of cuts. Keeping many mothers in a library requires lots of cloning to reset everything to keep them from going to hell and having to rehab them. I try to stagger the library resets so I'm not having to do huge clone runs.
Schwaggy P
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It's still planned, I was going to wait for Giesel to veg out a little more. I was going to make Giesel S1 to find a more dominant Mass Super Skunk leaner. I have an extra Appalachian Super Skunk in veg that was going to get tossed that I could use to get the write-up started while still being able to find a more Super Skunk leaning plant.
The GA3 method is the easiest prep of reversal solutions (just mix the powder in water). The amount of spraying is more than STS but less than CS.
CannaBruh
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Excellent! Ty for sharing. Shelf-life indefinite (while in powder?) I've some laying around.
What are your thoughts on the implications to the genetics of the progeny using etiher STS/CS/GA3 is one less preferable vs another?
I've seen reports of plants grown using GA3 during germination have notable elongated stems and node spacing. This is all hearsay but curious what you think?
Schwaggy P
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You're welcome. As far as I know, the powder should be good for a long time. Usually, the powder chems that are kept in clear/opaque containers should last indefinitely. The GA3 I've bought has always come in a clear container.
I don't have hard research on the heritable genetic influences the reversal solution have on plants (if any). I've grown many fem plants from different reversal methods and have not observed any systemic genetic issues that vary from reg seeds. This doesn't mean there are none, but if there are no practically observable issues either in the S1 or any subsequent breeding using fem plants/pollen, I would be hard pressed to suspect there is any genetic alterations.
The old refrain of fems being lesser plants than regs is probably the result of S1 bringing out more recessive phenotypes than a true hybrid would produce. So it's not that fem seeds are inferior, it's that fem seeds have a higher chance of producing recessive heavy plants.
I would guess that these reversals are just manipulating the naturally occurring compounds and response mechanisms without altering the underlying DNA in any heritable way. I have some books on genetic mutation breeding in agricultural crops that include many chemicals that can induce heritable genetic mutations (reversal chems are not included). It's a subject I plan to explore in the future just for kicks as I realize the stigma of GMO plants means most would shun the practice.
GA3 will elongate plant tissue. If you use it to help pop older seeds, the seedlings can take off and require support. I've read of growers using it to help root mass and higher yields but it requires very specific concentrations. If you go beyond set limits, it can inhibit the target growth. Another use I don't see often is helping to reveg plants. Supposedly, the late flowering plants are deficient in GA3 and a dosage can help revert the plant more quickly to vegetative growth. I've never tried it, but GA3 has many applications.
outliergenetix
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hey dr schwaggyP I need a diagnosis. this was by far the best smelling bud and the outlier in many ways for the jabba x ssdd from useful. this burn you see is not nute burn from N I am almost certain but who knows. its only on the 4 'main cola' tops just like this one. I think it is light burn but it didn't seem that bad and wasn't the closest to the light imo. tho it was close to a 600w hps admittedly. I tried correcting with cal/mag organically and seemed to have worked at some point but in the home stretch the burn came back hard despite nothing but water for 4 weeks after a top dress 8 weeks from finish right at flip. anyway this plant has the best smelling buds by a mile im assuming straight tres dawg man its the chem I love whatever it is so I would like to maximize another run of her clones. any ideas what may avoid this so I can see her true potential
oh, it's also not bud rot tho I had bud rot before and the leaves had this exact look. these nugs are in tact and I see nothing else pointing to botritis
I added a pic after I trimmed her for drying. I didtnt want the burnt shit in my sift later so I cut it out. you can she she isn't the prettiest plants but she is dank and smelly and sticky. I got finger hash just from her and its tiny plant
oh, it's also not bud rot tho I had bud rot before and the leaves had this exact look. these nugs are in tact and I see nothing else pointing to botritis
I added a pic after I trimmed her for drying. I didtnt want the burnt shit in my sift later so I cut it out. you can she she isn't the prettiest plants but she is dank and smelly and sticky. I got finger hash just from her and its tiny plant
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Psychonautic83
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Pheno hunting in S1's? That's an interesting proposition.. I'm making some S1's right now.. what's the process you go through trying to nail it down? How do you select the P1 from your pack?
CannaBruh
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Solution ratios and application rates advice?
Have seen mentioned mix to 100ppm but not much documentation.
Have seen others using much higher 500ppm with very messed up appearing plants but some observable success.
I might go with distilled adding in GA3 to 100ppm.
Some people had noted they were applying a week to two weeks pre-bloom and up to a few weeks into flower. Less is more ime so I might start there but I'll wait to hear your thoughts @Schwaggy P
Have seen mentioned mix to 100ppm but not much documentation.
Have seen others using much higher 500ppm with very messed up appearing plants but some observable success.
I might go with distilled adding in GA3 to 100ppm.
Some people had noted they were applying a week to two weeks pre-bloom and up to a few weeks into flower. Less is more ime so I might start there but I'll wait to hear your thoughts @Schwaggy P