Disappointed with Breeders.

[silverhazefiend]

Can i add my random 2 cents

Before i said the same thing but the line breeding stable genetics is just that stable.. nowadays people want the next best thing and mashing diff lines creates unique strains with downfalls herms etc

All of the popular lines rn arent worked lines so its like a hunt

Mac1 , wedding cake ,bday cake ,do si dos ,purple punch ,gmo the list goes on

If all lines released where stable the most u might find is something like cherry ak 47 yea its different but its still ak47 there isn't alot of room to find something different when its stable

Some people used that as an excuse to charge higher prices and with the shift of usa seeds theres no real comparison to be made with seedbank prices and bc they cut out the eu seedbank makes the lines harder to get so pricing is up went from mall store status to high end boutiques over night

 

[Bodyne]

not sure ak is the best example, given the thai, columbian, afghan, and mexican genetic makeup. Thats pretty much both ends of the spectrum, leaves a lot of room for variance. Also funny since that strain except for select cuts possibly found, but not lately, is not really heard of since. Just seems like especially with potency, lots of those new mashups are really good, compared to many worked lines. LA Affie is one that comes to mind, good, not great, indica, after once or twice growin and smokin, it is boring by itself imho. and jmho

 

[silverhazefiend]

not sure ak is the best example, given the thai, columbian, afghan, and mexican genetic makeup. Thats pretty much both ends of the spectrum, leaves a lot of room for variance. Also funny since that strain except for select cuts possibly found, but not lately, is not really heard of since. Just seems like especially with potency, lots of those new mashups are really good, compared to many worked lines. LA Affie is one that comes to mind, good, not great, indica, after once or twice growin and smokin, it is boring by itself imho. and jmho

I totally agree with this i used ak as a basic example but your right its a mash up but consistent* i think thats the term i should have used

I think it being harder to find now is more so on the breeder bc a few yrs ago u could get decent ak out of a pack .. but the best ak i had was like 2012 from humboldt it was good but with the other stuff coming out it got lost slowly .. thats just market demand and price

 

[CikaBika]

Ok maybe my potency definition here in Eastern Europe isn't same,like we have weed that make you high and weed that don't make you high or makes you nah' high.I agree that terps are important too.I hipe I will have a chance to try once bodhi gear so I can make my own opinion on them..But Again I still believe that weed quality/potency dipense on the grower skills.. That's why I dont shit on any Company I grew and wasnt impressed,I always think it's my fault.. Thank you for clearing some things to me..

 

[BDGrows]

The number of variables that go into the potency equation is astronomical, to say the least. For example, if you take a cut of a plant and give it to three of your friends, I will almost guarantee that you're going to get three separate potencies and potentially terp profiles. Granted, you'll have the same "Base" terpenes, as in they'll all somewhat have a similar odor. But other than that, the nutrients you use, the method you grow, and the skills you possess for growing are all going to influence the final outcome. As a grower, I believe you have to look for consistency and stability with breeders because if they have that, then generally the base genetics that plant is going to produce is going to be pretty good. Making it drip resin and look like a snowstorm just blew though is ultimately up to the grower. You can have champion racehorse genetics, but if all it does is sit in the stable, it's not really going to look or perform like a champion...

 

[rsvp_gardens]

if you are a pain patient, general rule is more or most potency rules. Not taste, not terps, sorry. Just like regular serious medicine, morphine dont' taste good, but it works, lol. But hey, they make CBD oil both full spectrum and not for most of those terps I see nowadays. And terps help with many things via CBD oil. Per the Bodhi thing, its always kinda been that way, if you've not had many hashplants, the Dank Sinatras f2's out there are tits.etc, just for an example. Until his Chems and OG's, just not super strong. Even the Gojis, thats prolly why you see it crossed so much. Hear more bout the black triangle these days seems like. But they make up for it with value, selection, customer service, and good vibes. For the folks that potency is not the number one priority. Most people cant afford concentrates, nor grow enough extra medically to make concentrates. jmho

Terpenes do a lot more than just give it taste and smell. The entourage effect includes all cannabinoids and terpenes and its most definitely a thing. I know that's something that can be debated but try things first then get them tested and compare your notes. In time the scientific community will embrace the entourage effect theory.

 

[Bodyne]

Terpenes do a lot more than just give it taste and smell. The entourage effect includes all cannabinoids and terpenes and its most definitely a thing. I know that's something that can be debated but try things first then get them tested and compare your notes. In time the scientific community will embrace the entourage effect theory.

this is already known amongst the cbd oil producing community, and that oil is prolly a better vehicle for absorption of cbd than smoking the flowers. That is already a known fact, that smoking cbd flowers for the most part does not give the same effect as a full spectrum paste or oil sublingual or actual physical application. For all intents and purposes of the discussion here, we are talking about potency and smoking the flowers, imho. Potent weed was helping pain patients long before they discovered anything about the terps, just sayin. The terps were there, sure, again, just sayin, its not new, its newly discovered. jmho

Ask 100 pain patients if they want really potent meds, or mid meds that taste great helps with some symptoms or not. See what they tell ya is most important.

 

[waterproof808]

cannabis breeding is a joke when you compare it to the way its done in the rest of the agricultural world. It's all driven by marketing and social media more than anything. Peoples expectations are too high for some seeds a stoner spent a few months making

 

[Houstini]

this is already known amongst the cbd oil producing community, and that oil is prolly a better vehicle for absorption of cbd than smoking the flowers. That is already a known fact, that smoking cbd flowers for the most part does not give the same effect as a full spectrum paste or oil sublingual or actual physical application. For all intents and purposes of the discussion here, we are talking about potency and smoking the flowers, imho. Potent weed was helping pain patients long before they discovered anything about the terps, just sayin. The terps were there, sure, again, just sayin, its not new, its newly discovered. jmho

Ask 100 pain patients if they want really potent meds, or mid meds that taste great helps with some symptoms or not. See what they tell ya is most important.

Specifically for pain and opiate substitution, higher percentages on specifically Og Kush types are most effective for most people. There are other strains that pull higher numbers but I guarantee someone looking for pain management will choose a strong og over a 31% lemony sativa any day.

 

[Houstini]

cannabis breeding is a joke when you compare it to the way its done in the rest of the agricultural world. It's all driven by marketing and social media more than anything. Peoples expectations are too high for some seeds a stoner spent a few months making

Was just listening to a soybean breeder on NPR the other day, he has been building lines for 40 years

 

[Coalcat]

You know what the difference between a 15% strain and a 30% strain is...I take 2 puffs instead of 1. People put way way too much stock in that thc number and say “it’s just not potent enough” It’s all the other stuff that comes with the thc that gives each plant its unique high.

 

[Amos Otis]

Was just listening to a soybean breeder on NPR the other day, he has been building lines for 40 years

I've never smoked dried soybean. I used to live in a town that hosts an annual Soybean Festival. Never saw it passed around.

 

[sdd420]

4 pages and no one mentions Karma?. If you want some knowledge about breeding listen to the Karma potcast. He also tests out of his own group in the public sector. Developed Biker Kush and others. He is a real breeder. Chucking pollen from known fire is still ok in my book but not the same.

Share the weed. Peace sdd420

 

[Houstini]

I've never smoked dried soybean. I used to live in a town that hosts an annual Soybean Festival. Never saw it passed around.

I hear it’s harsh and the terps suck

 

[rsvp_gardens]

this is already known amongst the cbd oil producing community, and that oil is prolly a better vehicle for absorption of cbd than smoking the flowers. That is already a known fact, that smoking cbd flowers for the most part does not give the same effect as a full spectrum paste or oil sublingual or actual physical application. For all intents and purposes of the discussion here, we are talking about potency and smoking the flowers, imho. Potent weed was helping pain patients long before they discovered anything about the terps, just sayin. The terps were there, sure, again, just sayin, its not new, its newly discovered. jmho

Ask 100 pain patients if they want really potent meds, or mid meds that taste great helps with some symptoms or not. See what they tell ya is most important.

Give the same 100 pain patients samples without reveling the numbers and see what they say works best for them. I guarantee you not everyone is going to say the sample that you think is the most potent or the one that shows the highest TCH% or however you're judging potency by. Your ECS has more to do with how potent a strain is for you than any lab test will show you

 

[coreywebster]

I'm a fan of classic shirleys, and there are lots of untapped characters. For instance...
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Mercy has a better ring than Deborah Van Valkenburgh.

 

[Herb & Suds]

I hear it’s harsh and the terps suck

Not if you get the ham hock pheno

 

[Bodyne]

Give the same 100 pain patients samples without reveling the numbers and see what they say works best for them. I guarantee you not everyone is going to say the sample that you think is the most potent or the one that shows the highest TCH% or however you're judging potency by. Your ECS has more to do with how potent a strain is for you than any lab test will show you

lol nice try, but not one time did I say I look at nor trust thc%number. Potency is one hit, to two hit, 4 hr long, don't want to smoke anymore or need to power. As mentioned, the pain patients almost always prefer a well grown og or chem, compared to others. That's all I was saying. Funny how you don't hear people gripe about not having an orange tasting og, or a cherry tasting og, lolol. Just welll grown, harvested at half amber trichs, og or chem is what the painers want. Sure taste is a bonus, etc. yield too, but its the potency that really matters. Whatever it tests out to. imho

 

[Bodyne]

Not if you get the ham hock pheno

meatloaf pheno

 

[R Burns]

Bodhi
Mosca
Homegrown Natural Wonders
These have been some of the most consistent for me.