Black-Thumb
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Crazy wind on the south shore. For about 2 hours. Must have topped 25-30mph at times. Was nuts. Flipped a few plants. They shook it right off. Hahaha
Massachusetts Outdoor Grow 2019
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Black-Thumb
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Had some wind...got a little crazy...but all is well.
Flower is ramping up...
Below...was a stump from a Big Bubba Kush mother that was planted on the edge of a 15gal pot that an auto was in. I noticed there was a little sprout about an inch tall on the mothers stump a week after I cut the mother down and harvested the auto that was the primary plant in the pot. So I gave it a chance. Took some training, but now I'm glad I did! Just kept bending and tying. Actually used the stump from the harvested auto as a stake. Haha
And lastly...a little indoor shot of the auto tent. These are the 2 Double Grapes from Mephisto. Serious trichome coverage. Still have 4 weeks to go. Haha (zoom in on these!)
Flower is ramping up...
Below...was a stump from a Big Bubba Kush mother that was planted on the edge of a 15gal pot that an auto was in. I noticed there was a little sprout about an inch tall on the mothers stump a week after I cut the mother down and harvested the auto that was the primary plant in the pot. So I gave it a chance. Took some training, but now I'm glad I did! Just kept bending and tying. Actually used the stump from the harvested auto as a stake. Haha
And lastly...a little indoor shot of the auto tent. These are the 2 Double Grapes from Mephisto. Serious trichome coverage. Still have 4 weeks to go. Haha (zoom in on these!)
stealthfader508
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your plants look great, I'd love to get mine on point like that
I tried that test kit but I'm not very confident in the results so I ran and grabbed a three way meter from lowes. I tested all the beds and the readings seem to be all over the place. I'm getting between 5-7 ph readings.. the plant that I'm having the most trouble with tends to have readings on the lower side, right around 5 and in some spots even slightly lower ... what should I be looking for? how would I bring the soil ph up or down if necessary? They didn't have a water test there so I still have no real idea what my water is testing at either
I tried that test kit but I'm not very confident in the results so I ran and grabbed a three way meter from lowes. I tested all the beds and the readings seem to be all over the place. I'm getting between 5-7 ph readings.. the plant that I'm having the most trouble with tends to have readings on the lower side, right around 5 and in some spots even slightly lower ... what should I be looking for? how would I bring the soil ph up or down if necessary? They didn't have a water test there so I still have no real idea what my water is testing at either
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BostonBuds
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Some of the very bottom leaves on my outside plants have turned totally yellow then to black and shriveled up. They are in the same type potting soil and are fed the exact same as my indoor plants that have zero issues, the only thing is watering schedule, outside I'm watering daily as opposed to every 2 days inside and inside is hotter. Other than a few leaves shriveling the plants are great, I think it's just thirsty and pulling alot of nutes.
BigSco508
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Yeah i agree test that PH bud because the only other thing that i could see it being is if you water to much and your soil is not aerated enough didn't see any Perlite or vermiculite added to your custom soil blend .
I myself use extra Vermiculite in my blend and i also use about a quarter inch of Vermiculite on the bottom of my fabric and my Air pots just in case i wanna bottom feed and to prevent root rot i have to Water a lot more but hey it gives me an excuse to go and play with my plants
I myself use extra Vermiculite in my blend and i also use about a quarter inch of Vermiculite on the bottom of my fabric and my Air pots just in case i wanna bottom feed and to prevent root rot i have to Water a lot more but hey it gives me an excuse to go and play with my plants
BigSco508
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6.5 to 6.8 is optimal
BigSco508
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sometimes it just the cycle of life if its not spreading I.e just a Few bottom leaves turn yellow and die but you plant has Praying leaves and no growth stoppage then it just Nature i bet bud.
BigSco508
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Stealth that kind of PH tester has to Sit for like 30 mins in the same spot in the soil for an accurate result i believe it need to come to a rest they call it read the instructions and check i could be wrong.
stealthfader508
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thx sco ... i'll let the meter sit for a while, i only gave it about 30 seconds each test.. i ordered an h2o ph tester on amazon earlier so I won't go nuclear until I get an idea of my water ph ... i was looking a little closer earlier and it's only really a couple of them I'm concerned with.. the worst one I tried a little superthrive and i'll see how that one reacts ... i'm not a huge fan of superthrive, especially this late in the season, but ive used it before in the past on problem plants and i've had decent results... we'll see
mr_c
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I'm not a soil grower per say but everything I've read says that the soil is a buffer and shouldn't need pH'd water. I believe the air conditioner water you're using is completely fine.
If I read correctly, you treated for mealy bugs and then the plant started to show signs of a deficiency shortly there after. Did you treat them during the day? Maybe they got sunburned?
I think the plants did not like foliar treatment and that is the cause of the discolorations.
Also, top dressing is a good idea. All of those amendments mentioned are a great idea - add high quality worm castings - but making a compost tea will be the quickest way to deliver nutrients to the plant.
If I read correctly, you treated for mealy bugs and then the plant started to show signs of a deficiency shortly there after. Did you treat them during the day? Maybe they got sunburned?
I think the plants did not like foliar treatment and that is the cause of the discolorations.
Also, top dressing is a good idea. All of those amendments mentioned are a great idea - add high quality worm castings - but making a compost tea will be the quickest way to deliver nutrients to the plant.
Black-Thumb
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To adjust the soil ph up or down you would add lime or sulfur to the soil.
Before I had a consistent long term water storage solution (kiddie pool with tap water sitting for 24 hours hahaha), I would ALWAYS ph my water after adding nutes.
Even though I am in soil. Not PH'ing your water outdoors, even when you are in the ground, is asking for trouble. Not only will you be risking the obvious issues like nutrient uptake difficulties, but you can also change the ph of your soil negatively by using water with ph out of whack.
Soil will act as a buffer, but only to a point. And feeding with water that is low or high will deff hurt plant health and yield either directly, or by jacking up your soil. That's my experience at least. Whenever my water has been out of PH, I paid a price.
stealthfader508
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Thx for all the help guys .. I'm keeping an eye on things .. the black tips hasn't become any worse, its seems like a one-time event ... the only thing I really did any differently was to mix neem with the all seasons horticultural to knock back the mealy bugs. I went a little heavier than I usually do so I'm thinking that may have contributed to it ... i always spray about 5-6pm when the sun has dropped behind the trees, never during the day.
I'm still sort of leaning towards an N deficiency on the yellowing leaves. I basically never give them any kind of major source of N. My feeding schedule for the most part involves Neptunes Harvest Fish and Seaweed about every 7-10 days ... I've had the same small bottle of FF Grow Big since last season and would only use about a teaspoon in a gallon spray bottle every other week to foliar feed all season ... I'm going to mix up a regular dose drench of the Grow Big today and feed a couple of the them to see how they react with a little extra N. I'm also waiting for the amazon truck w/ the H2O ph tester because I'd really like to get an idea of where my water is.
I'm still sort of leaning towards an N deficiency on the yellowing leaves. I basically never give them any kind of major source of N. My feeding schedule for the most part involves Neptunes Harvest Fish and Seaweed about every 7-10 days ... I've had the same small bottle of FF Grow Big since last season and would only use about a teaspoon in a gallon spray bottle every other week to foliar feed all season ... I'm going to mix up a regular dose drench of the Grow Big today and feed a couple of the them to see how they react with a little extra N. I'm also waiting for the amazon truck w/ the H2O ph tester because I'd really like to get an idea of where my water is.
Black-Thumb
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Could be. Will be interesting to see how they respond. The only thing that throws me off about that is the solid brown spots coming from the edges in. I've had N def before but havent seen brown that solid or crispy creeping from the edges from just N def. Doesnt look like it's at crisis levels or anything though, so plenty of time to figure it out.
It might not even spread or be a serious issue. Could just be a few leaves that had a problem because of a million diff things that won't really affect anything.
Will be interesting to see the ph readings when you get them and how they respond to the treatment you are trying. Will be good info either way.
BostonBuds
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My plants are coming along great, clones and seeds started at the same time, inside are a few weeks into flower and outdoors haven't started flowering yet. I'm thinking I may have to make up something to support the branches of the outside plants, they are stretching trying to chase the sun.
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Black-Thumb
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Looking good!
Yea, I am in the process of making a bamboo "Urban Remo" style trellis system contained inside the pot.
I have high hopes that it will support what I imagine will end up being 20-25, 3-4' long colas (haha...seriously though) and let me spread the limbs out. But we will see!
stealthfader508
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Urban Remo.. oh boy, I gotta see this
Despite my wife's objections and dirty looks, I ended up getting some work done today. I got one test rib up using 25' of pipe and it ends up giving me 11'1" of height at the center, which is decent but I was kind of hoping for 12'+ ... I went with 25' because it's 2 full sticks plus a half, which saves me on material .. if I go bigger I'll end up needing to buy 3 full sticks for each rib .. I also need to keep in mind that too much height could end up being unstable ... we'll see, I'll sleep on it.
Despite my wife's objections and dirty looks, I ended up getting some work done today. I got one test rib up using 25' of pipe and it ends up giving me 11'1" of height at the center, which is decent but I was kind of hoping for 12'+ ... I went with 25' because it's 2 full sticks plus a half, which saves me on material .. if I go bigger I'll end up needing to buy 3 full sticks for each rib .. I also need to keep in mind that too much height could end up being unstable ... we'll see, I'll sleep on it.
stealthfader508
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The H2O Ph tester came today and I ran some tests ... just to make sure it was working I started with some poland spring out of a bottle and it consistently came in at 6.4 -6.6 so I'm assuming it's working... then I tested the tap water (which I don't use all that often) and that came in between 7.6 - 7.9 which I believe is high ... then I tested the a/c condenser water (which I use most often) and it came in slightly lower at 7.4 -7.5, but still high I believe ... just for shits I mixed a little garden lime in some water and it shot up to 9+ ... I'm going to mix up a batch of AACT and start testing that also to see if there are any fluctuations
So I'm assuming the water I'm using needs to come down a bit, correct? To bring this down is it recommended to start using sulphur mixed with the water until I get to say 6.5?
For what it's worth... the browning on the edges hasn't progressed at all, the fan leaves that were affected remain the same... I also went ahead and pulled all the yellowing lower leaves and since giving them the regular dose of FF Grow Big a couple days ago I haven't really seen any new yellowing, and everything has actually perked up a bit, so that appears promising
So I'm assuming the water I'm using needs to come down a bit, correct? To bring this down is it recommended to start using sulphur mixed with the water until I get to say 6.5?
For what it's worth... the browning on the edges hasn't progressed at all, the fan leaves that were affected remain the same... I also went ahead and pulled all the yellowing lower leaves and since giving them the regular dose of FF Grow Big a couple days ago I haven't really seen any new yellowing, and everything has actually perked up a bit, so that appears promising
Citylimits
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Alright guys. Main stem split in may on this plant and it is just now showing signs of favoring the stronger side if the plant. My question would be do I remove the half of the plant that is struggling to allow health section to continue to grow and mature properly?
Black-Thumb
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I wouldn't. I would leave it alone and just reinforce the weak side so that it doesnt cause damage when it gets heavy during flower.
In my humble opinion, it looks healthy enough to let it go, and the damage and stress of splitting it now could be a huge problem.