If you get hit by a car and die, you may be recorded as a corona virus death

[Wattzzup]

Yeh I’ve been reading a lot about this in the UK as they’re doing the exact same thing here on this side of the pond.

the big story I read was about a TFL (Transport for London) bus driver who had symptoms but was told to isolate at home - I don’t believe he was tested. However, he died at home and because he hadn’t been tested but showed signs of corona, they put the death as “suspected Covid-19 death” which is wrong as he could have died from any number of reasons besides Corona.. it bumps up the figures and creates a scare tactic.

it would have been more appropriate to test for corona, and then note the cause of death appropriately. For all they know he could have had a heart attack at home and died. Corona wasn’t necessarily the cause of death if it states “suspected”

someone argue differently lol

I agree with everything. Except why test someone dead when there’s not enough tests? I’m sure that’s the reason it’s not being tested.

 

[Rob Roy]

The death toll per 1m pop in the US is an order of magnitude greater than that of the death toll per 1m pop in South Korea, who is also counting anyone who dies with c19. You are so totally out of your depth.

Thanks for paying your taxes and accepting your socialism payment from Donald Trump.

Your post is fraught with almost as many false assumptions as the methods used to tabulate "virus deaths".
Taxation is theft. Donald Trump is an ass.

Back to the topic of the thread, the tabulation methodology is not designed for accuracy. Can you refute that ? No you can't.

 

[Rob Roy]

he won’t get one. He’s unemployable

Won't ask for one, didn't take the last loaf of bread they threw into the crowd under George the Younger, Idiot son of "Read my lips".

You may not remember that one Pipsqueak McPoopy Pants since you might have still been crapping on floors after you struck out with the ladies after the high school dance back then.

 

[Rob Roy]

this may be true however most people aren't being tested because there are no tests- they're being withheld so the sheeple won't know how bad it is even though we've far surpassed China x4.

It's also possible many people have minor symptoms of the virus and haven't run screaming to a hospital because they know for them, it's not likely to be anything other than a cold or minor flu or nothing.

 

[UncleBuck]

Won't ask for one, didn't take the last loaf of bread they threw into the crowd under George the Younger, Idiot son of "Read my lips".

You may not remember that one Pipsqueak McPoopy Pants since you might have still been crapping on floors after you struck out with the ladies after the high school dance back then.

you can’t ask for one

 

[Snoopy808]

An excerpt below from an article written by Robert Wenzel in response to this -

Tony Fauci's sidekick Deborah Birx stated on Tuesday at the White House press briefing that "if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."s


If she really means this, consider this situation: A person is tested for COVID-19 but is young and only has mild symptoms. He is told to go home and self-isolate for 14-days. The test results go on his medical record.

On the way home, he is hit by a car and rushed to the hospital in serious condition. He dies at the hospital. It appears as though Birx is stating that this would be recorded as a COVID-19 death.

It could certainly be interpreted that way. And because of the way incentives are structured at hospitals, hospital administrators would certainly want it to be counted as a COVID-19 death.

So the question becomes how many deaths are recorded as COVID-19 deaths when there are clearly other factors that would have caused the death anyway?

Remember, deaths are very heavily skewed toward the elderly with serious chronic conditions. Maybe COVID-19 pushed some such people, over life's finish line, 5 minutes earlier than it would otherwise have happened but should this really be counted as a COVID-19 death? A type of counting that is fueling the lockdown of most of the country.

I interpret the administration's reporting in the opposite light. That a traffic accident from a SARS2 covid19 positive titer person will not be attributef to covid19 disease. Same reasoning that the deaths from pneumonia and pulmonary failures will be coded as that and not covid19 disease. Logic is that the "official " tally will be lower. But this only is for tested patients. Devils in the details thing and Lionel Hutz attorney at laws quote "there's the truth, then the there's the trooooooth".

 

[Rob Roy]

I interpret the administration's reporting in the opposite light. That a traffic accident from a SARS2 covid19 positive titer person will not be attributef to covid19 disease. Same reasoning that the deaths from pneumonia and pulmonary failures will be coded as that and not covid19 disease. Logic is that the "official " tally will be lower. But this only is for tested patients. Devils in the details thing and Lionel Hutz attorney at laws quote "there's the truth, then the there's the trooooooth".

Thanks for your polite response.

I'm pretty sure I've read that the CDC wants death certificates to be filled out listing the virus as the cause even if it is assumed or if the deceased had exhibited symptoms that may indicate the virus. Of course some colds and non corona flu, regular old pneumonia etc. all could have those same symptoms indicating.

 

[Snoopy808]

Thanks for your polite response.

I'm pretty sure I've read that the CDC wants death certificates to be filled out listing the virus as the cause even if it is assumed or if the deceased had exhibited symptoms that may indicate the virus. Of course some colds and non corona flu, regular old pneumonia etc. all could have those same symptoms indicating.

Yes and reporting discretion does come from above. I was in military and civilian medicine and there's influence on how treatments and diagnosis are reported to government and insurance. Fucking numbers game. Spin. I think our reported numbers will be as accurate and factual as Chinas lol. Tremendous numbers. The best numbers.

 

[mustbetribbin]

I interpret the administration's reporting in the opposite light. That a traffic accident from a SARS2 covid19 positive titer person will not be attributef to covid19 disease. Same reasoning that the deaths from pneumonia and pulmonary failures will be coded as that and not covid19 disease. Logic is that the "official " tally will be lower. But this only is for tested patients. Devils in the details thing and Lionel Hutz attorney at laws quote "there's the truth, then the there's the trooooooth".

It's funny that you mention that.

As both pneumonia deaths and heart attack deaths are unusually low, as well as flu deaths, all that they are reporting on is covid, which means that we are being lied to about this virus.

I'm just glad the covid tests aren't random placebo test kits that continue to point towards astronomical numbers of deaths and infections, that would be just downright awful.

 

[Snoopy808]

It's funny that you mention that.

As both pneumonia deaths and heart attack deaths are unusually low, as well as flu deaths, all that they are reporting on is covid, which means that we are being lied to about this virus.

I'm just glad the covid tests aren't random placebo test kits that continue to point towards astronomical numbers of deaths and infections, that would be just downright awful.

Yeah. Even funnier is the reported lack of covid19 test kits being used. They are being selectively disbursed to cities and states with no reason. But alluded to Trumps petty attitude as the reason some get testing and others dont. Then...reported that a lot of test kits aren't being used. Reason reported is there is no oversight and federal protocol on who gets a test or when it should be used.
I believe there's a some influence of a Republican angle to this bias. But also I think Trump is setting up states to fail on their own if they dont praise him. The administration is taking a very clear federal vs state delineation of supplies and dustribution. And using questionable moral decisions to decide howmuch and how fast the dole out federal supplies. Federal stuff is for federal government its not meant for individual states and their respective citizens.

 

[mustbetribbin]

Yeah. Even funnier is the reported lack of covid19 test kits being used. They are being selectively disbursed to cities and states with no reason. But alluded to Trumps petty attitude as the reason some get testing and others dont. Then...reported that a lot of test kits aren't being used. Reason reported is there is no oversight and federal protocol on who gets a test or when it should be used.
I believe there's a some influence of a Republican angle to this bias. But also I think Trump is setting up states to fail on their own if they dont praise him. The administration is taking a very clear federal vs state delineation of supplies and dustribution. And using questionable moral decisions to decide howmuch and how fast the dole out federal supplies. Federal stuff is for federal government its not meant for individual states and their respective citizens.

For the record, I meant funny as in fishy, or questionable, not by any means literally funny, I certainly am not laughing about this situation.

Sorry if i offended anyone for my lack of clarity, I will use a bit more caution before I use that word again.

Thank you.

 

[Snoopy808]

I understood what you meant.
I think its ok to laugh at the shenanigans on numbers and testing etc.
Not laughing at the real human death from a new disease in my lifetime. I was grew up with HIV as allready old news. Quite sobering with this new virus. Makes me more resolved to enjoy life more when this partial lockdown is done.

 

[mustbetribbin]

I understood what you meant.
I think its ok to laugh at the shenanigans on numbers and testing etc.
Not laughing at the real human death from a new disease in my lifetime. I was grew up with HIV as allready old news. Quite sobering with this new virus. Makes me more resolved to enjoy life more when this partial lockdown is done.

To be honest friend, I am distraught and hurting over the various details that are coming in due to this corona virus outbreak, which I believe is false, but seeing this all go down this way is bringing tears to my eyes, and causing a bit of a depression to set in, that's the truth if you really want hear it.

Seeing and hearing of people being lied to and deceived to this magnitude, it's one of the most difficult things I've had to deal with in many years, because I feel it, I feel what people are going through, the suicides, the deception, people being led away from truth really hurts.

Wiping my eyes this very moment.

 

[hanimmal]

Yeah. Even funnier is the reported lack of covid19 test kits being used. They are being selectively disbursed to cities and states with no reason. But alluded to Trumps petty attitude as the reason some get testing and others dont. Then...reported that a lot of test kits aren't being used. Reason reported is there is no oversight and federal protocol on who gets a test or when it should be used.
I believe there's a some influence of a Republican angle to this bias. But also I think Trump is setting up states to fail on their own if they dont praise him. The administration is taking a very clear federal vs state delineation of supplies and dustribution. And using questionable moral decisions to decide howmuch and how fast the dole out federal supplies. Federal stuff is for federal government its not meant for individual states and their respective citizens.

Except it is Federal vs. I 'blame and actively make it hell while attacking in real time, if you don't agree to take the blame' states.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

Now how in the hell am I gonna get hit by a car? I'm not in that situation

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[doublejj]

Now how in the hell am I gonna get hit by a car? I'm not in that situation

!

You'ed have to be living under a bridge.....

 

[Rob Roy]

You'ed have to be living under a bridge.....

The benefits of living under a bridge are you would be less likely to have a piece of sky fall on your head.

 

[UncleBuck]

To be honest friend, I am distraught and hurting over the various details that are coming in due to this corona virus outbreak, which I believe is false, but seeing this all go down this way is bringing tears to my eyes, and causing a bit of a depression to set in, that's the truth if you really want hear it.

Seeing and hearing of people being lied to and deceived to this magnitude, it's one of the most difficult things I've had to deal with in many years, because I feel it, I feel what people are going through, the suicides, the deception, people being led away from truth really hurts.

Wiping my eyes this very moment.

tard

 

[schuylaar]

It's also possible many people have minor symptoms of the virus and haven't run screaming to a hospital because they know for them, it's not likely to be anything other than a cold or minor flu or nothing.

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you don't get out much, do you?

 

[schuylaar]

I interpret the administration's reporting in the opposite light. That a traffic accident from a SARS2 covid19 positive titer person will not be attributef to covid19 disease. Same reasoning that the deaths from pneumonia and pulmonary failures will be coded as that and not covid19 disease. Logic is that the "official " tally will be lower. But this only is for tested patients. Devils in the details thing and Lionel Hutz attorney at laws quote "there's the truth, then the there's the trooooooth".

the government is withholding testing plain and simple- Trumpy's* optics you know