Republicans fuck America, again

Queen2Green

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Make sure its stays just a social/political civil war and not a real one, when I speak of American civil war I'm speaking largely metaphorically, but the resulting death toll will end up about the same as the original real civil war, the racist anti liberals lost that one too. The cause of the civil war is said to be slavery, liberals (largely white) opposed it to such a degree, it lead to civil war with the slave holding south. Liberalism and constitutional government will lead to freedom for all, this process has been disrupted by racist anti democratic forces in modern America for decades. This social/political civil war will largely settle the issue with political polarization and the country can move forward towards social progress and justice.
Agreed... I was mid-editing that post lol, I had taken "civil war" out and apparently what I had wrote prior posted anyways? It was odd. Like alot of things didn't change, I had condensed it. Kinda sucks because I always re-read a few times to make sure I wrote correct.

My honest thoughts.. this country is not headed toward peace. We have came togather for cause, yet are more divided then ever. Things will get worse and they are, daily. That is what I speak of.

I still believe it is possible for compromise between GOOD people. Maybe I'm just silly/crazy. I fear otherwise - no one will win. Any other way (besides teamwork) looks to me like mass destruction. I feel if we are gonna win the covid / humanity wars, we need ALL of us good people (Left, Independent, and Republicans who are NOT sociopaths) against all of the BAD people (trump and his minion terrorists.) But yeah.. I agree. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Agreed... I was mid-editing that post lol, I had taken "civil war" out and apparently what I had wrote prior posted anyways? It was odd. Like alot of things didn't change, I had condensed it. Kinda sucks because I always re-read a few times to make sure I wrote correct.

My honest thoughts.. this country is not headed toward peace. We have came togather for cause, yet are more divided then ever. Things will get worse and they are, daily. That is what I speak of.

I still believe it is possible for compromise between GOOD people. Maybe I'm just silly/crazy. I fear otherwise - no one will win. Any other way (besides teamwork) looks to me like mass destruction. I feel if we are gonna win the covid / humanity wars, we need ALL of us good people (Left, Independent, and Republicans who are NOT sociopaths) against all of the BAD people (trump and his minion terrorists.) But yeah.. I agree. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
If you win big in nov (I think you will) All those bills that are sitting on Mitch's desk will be strengthened, many compromises will be removed and resubmitted to the house in the new congress. There are over 200 improvements to American near ready to go and the amended bills will fly through the house at lightspeed and off to the new senate majority desk for disposition. Obama didn't say the filibuster was a shit idea for nothing the other day, look for it to go. Also the senate republicans should get an epic shit kicking in November, the country will be on the brink of catastrophe or beyond it by election day, a lot of that catastrophe will be in southern red states. The polling we have seen, is but a taste of what is to come in 2 months when the death toll reaches astronomical numbers in these red states, unless these stupid bastards lock down and grow a new attitude.
 

Queen2Green

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If you win big in nov (I think you will) All those bills that are sitting on Mitch's desk will be strengthened, many compromises will be removed and resubmitted to the house in the new congress. There are over 200 improvements to American near ready to go and the amended bills will fly through the house at lightspeed and off to the new senate majority desk for disposition. Obama didn't say the filibuster was a shit idea for nothing the other day, look for it to go. Also the senate republicans should get an epic shit kicking in November, the country will be on the brink of catastrophe or beyond it by election day, a lot of that catastrophe will be in southern red states. The polling we have seen, is but a taste of what is to come in 2 months when the death toll reaches astronomical numbers in these red states, unless these stupid bastards lock down and grow a new attitude.
That's a nice theory, and people like you truly give me hope. I used to think that way until recently - was SO happy we are almost done with him. I have watched many trump voting people one by one hang their head and admit they were wrong.

Problem is COVID came along. Trump now know's he will lose and is desperate. This is a psycopath we speak of. A complete narsissist. He thinks he's the best at "everything."

Will we make it till November? Folks are dying and being infected at record breaking rates, daily. Others are SERIOUSLY pissed off.. We have a president who waited 6 months (!) to wear a mask, and sent troops to attack citizens in our cities.. EVERYBODY is fighting - over everything already. Startin to look and "feel" a lot like a path to civil war.

The fed gov't has already started it numerous ways, then sending troops, blocking funding for our states, our unemployed will not get help for now.. middle of pandemic.. I mean. Wtf. How much do you think people can actually take?

Shit is getting REAL. People are frustrated, they are bitter, and now they are more mad then they have ever been before, in all kinds of ways! They are armed... and they are ready to battle.. on both sides. These are truths as I see it.

I speak with 20ish different SMALL (many republican) business owners a day. Different people, races, and cultures every day. From all over US & 1-3 calls a day from Canadians. 15-30 calls/day average, dependent on length. I've heard a veryyyy wide perspective and my job is to empathize with all their situation's and solve their issues.

So I do listen and keep an open mind, because I'm a solver.. I enjoy it, and it has taught me alot about people in general. Mostly to always be openminded (except to malicious people, fuck them), because "the diamonds really are in the rough.."

We still have Aug.. Sept.. Oct.. Nov.. fuck :leaf::wall::leaf: Let's really "all" be in this togather.. good people that is..
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That's a nice theory, and people like you truly give me hope. I used to think that way until recently - was SO happy we are almost done with him. I have watched many trump voting people one by one hang their head and admit they were wrong.

Problem is COVID came along. Trump now know's he will lose and is desperate. This is a psycopath we speak of. A complete narsissist. He thinks he's the best at "everything."

Will we make it till November? Folks are dying and being infected at record breaking rates, daily. Others are SERIOUSLY pissed off.. We have a president who waited 6 months (!) to wear a mask, and sent troops to attack citizens in our cities.. EVERYBODY is fighting - over everything already. Startin to look and "feel" a lot like a path to civil war.

The fed gov't has already started it numerous ways, then sending troops, blocking funding for our states, our unemployed will not get help for now.. middle of pandemic.. I mean. Wtf. How much do you think people can actually take?

Shit is getting REAL. People are frustrated, they are bitter, and now they are more mad then they have ever been before, in all kinds of ways! They are armed... and they are ready to battle.. on both sides. These are truths as I see it.

I speak with 20ish different SMALL (many republican) business owners a day. Different people, races, and cultures every day. From all over US & 1-3 calls a day from Canadians. 15-30 calls/day average, dependent on length. I've heard a veryyyy wide perspective and my job is to empathize with all their situation's and solve their issues.

So I do listen and keep an open mind, because I'm a solver.. I enjoy it, and it has taught me alot about people in general. Mostly to always be openminded (except to malicious people, fuck them), because "the diamonds really are in the rough.."

We still have Aug.. Sept.. Oct.. Nov.. fuck :leaf::wall::leaf: Let's really "all" be in this togather.. good people that is..
The difference is who is in the seat of power and who is in the streets, circumstances have conspired to put these assholes in the street for a long time. If they have no political voice they drop out of view, look what happened with black America, poor folks and other marginalized groups, it they cannot coalesce into an effective political force they are powerless. The republican party is not just poisoned by hate and filled with racist scum, it now carries Trump and will bear his mark upon it's forehead until it dies. There will be plenty of investigations, indictments and sentences over this bullshit well over a thousand over the next couple of years. Those republicans running then will be selected by the same Trump base and will have a lot to answer for to the electorate by 2022 . Hold the fort for a decade, demographic and social change should get ya to the finish line, many racists simply have to die off and we need to minimise the number of new ones with policy.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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That's a nice theory, and people like you truly give me hope. I used to think that way until recently - was SO happy we are almost done with him. I have watched many trump voting people one by one hang their head and admit they were wrong.

Problem is COVID came along. Trump now know's he will lose and is desperate. This is a psycopath we speak of. A complete narsissist. He thinks he's the best at "everything."

Will we make it till November? Folks are dying and being infected at record breaking rates, daily. Others are SERIOUSLY pissed off.. We have a president who waited 6 months (!) to wear a mask, and sent troops to attack citizens in our cities.. EVERYBODY is fighting - over everything already. Startin to look and "feel" a lot like a path to civil war.

The fed gov't has already started it numerous ways, then sending troops, blocking funding for our states, our unemployed will not get help for now.. middle of pandemic.. I mean. Wtf. How much do you think people can actually take?

Shit is getting REAL. People are frustrated, they are bitter, and now they are more mad then they have ever been before, in all kinds of ways! They are armed... and they are ready to battle.. on both sides. These are truths as I see it.

I speak with 20ish different SMALL (many republican) business owners a day. Different people, races, and cultures every day. From all over US & 1-3 calls a day from Canadians. 15-30 calls/day average, dependent on length. I've heard a veryyyy wide perspective and my job is to empathize with all their situation's and solve their issues.

So I do listen and keep an open mind, because I'm a solver.. I enjoy it, and it has taught me alot about people in general. Mostly to always be openminded (except to malicious people, fuck them), because "the diamonds really are in the rough.."

We still have Aug.. Sept.. Oct.. Nov.. fuck :leaf::wall::leaf: Let's really "all" be in this togather.. good people that is..
Lot's of countries have gone through worse, read the history of the UK since 1900 for instance, just scan a wikipedia article. Though they never had a traitor, psychopathic moron and puppet of a hostile foreign power as it their political leader. Or a major political party and a significant portion of the population turn into a fascist death cult in the thrall of an evil mad moron either!
 

Harvest76

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Lot's of countries have gone through worse, read the history of the UK since 1900 for instance, just scan a wikipedia article. Though they never had a traitor, psychopathic moron and puppet of a hostile foreign power as it their political leader. Or a major political party and a significant portion of the population turn into a fascist death cult in the thrall of an evil mad moron either!
But other than that...
 

Jimdamick

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Buy her a present ya cheap bastard, this won't do! :D Get a card too!
I gave her a TOTAL body massage, made her favorite meal, filet mignon with Béarnaise sauce, sautéed Portabella mushrooms,, asparagus with some lemon & butter & a nice big fat Idaho potato with lots of sour cream & chives and a nice Cabernet Sauvignon & I fed her fishes :)
She's content

 
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Queen2Green

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Lot's of countries have gone through worse, read the history of the UK since 1900 for instance, just scan a wikipedia article. Though they never had a traitor, psychopathic moron and puppet of a hostile foreign power as it their political leader. Or a major political party and a significant portion of the population turn into a fascist death cult in the thrall of an evil mad moron either!
Lol... I know lots of countries have went through worse. America has seen worse days.. I'm not saying it's the end of time, or there haven't been worse times. I know history pretty well.. not all but enough.

Perhaps I've came off too dramatic. I'm sayin... there is going to be extensive loss of life, potentally freedoms, damage economically, etc if we do not get our shit together, as a whole country.

I don't get why that is so hard for people. We are protesting for peace and justice but we are not behaving peacefully, or just - concerning coronavirus.. can't really have it both ways or can we? Not judging, just talking here. I really don't understand, and I'm trying to. Doesn't everyone want to live?

Please don't come back with "not if they're republican" cuz that is just fucked up and feels like we are as bad as they are.. Again.. over and over... when I speak like this I only mean the decent hard working republicans in 1/3 of our states, the ones no one seems to believe exist. Not the terrorists.

The bigger picture - it doesn't matter if we make it to the end game, if many of us die in the process. That's insanity.. Our war(s) right now are Covid plus trump & co. We have to stop fighting each other to focus on 2 wars at a time.. We can still fight police brutality/support change of course, that's honestly part of fighting trump. He's inciting rage, and enjoys it. We as a country are doing exactly what he wants. Choosing sides. Being closed minded. Following paths instead of leading.

You're kinda dodgin my point here. It's all good. I know it's tough to understand from your perspective. You see what's happening but you are not living it.. Canadian covid perspective is actually quite different from the US. Even though yall are obviously paying attention, and very much invested.

The major division of covid perspectives within US (: is a problem that the US cant really "socially afford" right now. Live's matter, correct.. that is why we are protesting for equality, justice, movements such as BLM..? I know that all lives can't matter until black lives matter, please no one attack me and derail my point. I believe that too, and always have. In referring to coronavirus, "all good lives" matter to me.

I guess I just don't understand.. I feel like I bombed this thread tho. Lol. So I will stop now. Peace:leaf:
 

Fogdog

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I dodge politics too. It comes up, usually from republican, then I get defensive (when they are factually wrong), which leads to conversation. "Friend" may be a word I used too loosely.. I don't have republican "friends" as far as in that context (current party.) Many republicans don't support the republican party as is: the inhumanity, the rasicm & systemic abuses. Many vote republican due to livelihood. Policy. As you can tell from the polls, more and more of them are getting sick of him!

The republican's I know are either family, small business owners, or aquaintances from pool, poker, etc. Most I know well are either family or mainly work related. They are not vile, if they are, I remove them from my life..

My singular point (as far as the communication thing with republicans) is that America seriously needs to find some common middle ground. To beat covid, and to take our country back from the orange man.. as my sister says (republican..) Not to mention all the other amazing things that could be accomplished with a bit of teamwork. Teamwork makes the dream work. Communicate and even possibly compromise. Until that happens on both sides, shit is going to continue to get worse for everyone. We are walking a fine line with on both sides. In my opinion.

I'm on the left side of this "social" war for sure (: Fk them... let's go to war for humanity. I'm all in. Thing is, it won't be north vs south or east vs west.. The way technology, media, and social media is and folks of all cultures have aligned with parties and divided themselves.. It's going to be neighbors vs neighbors, families vs families, people at work, supermarkets, like is already happening except worse.. based on personal beliefs and experiences rather than hate - hate too - but both.. It's human nature to protect ones self.

Is that really what the masses are aiming for? I hope not.. I know I'm not. That will not solve our issues, imho. I can understand attacking the trolls but I will never understand an attack on someones character, when you know nothing about them, other than "they are a republican." I don't judge tho - but if it's abusive (vile) I will lose respect..

I'm weird and I know it. I have fought for peace and equality my entire life and both sides have laughed in my face or came at me with abuse. I'm not enough "left" and certainly not enough "right." No man's land.. I guess. Lol.

Of course we can be friends. I don't think I am vile, am I?? Still trying to figure out how I left that impression with some folks... I literally only defended myself against attacks. Posssibly I have forgot. Idk. I couldn't conversate with a racist, I've dropped family for that.. I can conversate with a well - meaning republican though. So I guess we are even on the open and forgiveness, haha!

I was doing one liners all day and now I'm back to novels.. Fuckin Republicans! Lol.. going back to my corner ------->

Edited post for context: for some reason my last edit wasn't there, and some words came out wrong..
There is no common ground to be found with Republicans. They have gone so far to the right, the ground between us and them, I'm not willing to accept as something to barter over. They can have it. What they have done is ceded the middle ground to Democrats. The only true conservatives right now are center right Democrats and Independents. They influence but they aren't the majority in the Democratic Party. The majority is the center left. There is no meaningful far left faction, though that is growing. But the far left cannot win in contested districts, the key to taking control of this country away from the stinkers. The far left only win in safe blue districts, so really they are just a loud small and future-important group because the future will probably go more in their direction.

Big picture-little picture



Big picture: The US is fifteen years behind California politically. Fifteen years ago, Pete Wilson took over after a Democrat was impeached for no good reason in California. Pete ran on an anti immigrant, crime fighting platform. Sound familiar? California is politically in a pretty good place right now.

Demographics are shifting in the US. By 2030, the country will be more diverse, the WW2 generation all gone, boomers well into decline. Millenials will be ascendant, with some already 30 years old. THEY and gen Y were the ones totally screwed by Bush's recession. And They will not have white as the majority, though white still plurality. Republicans have zero chance with them after Trump. So, after 2030, with millenials entering middle age, the argument will be over. The reactionary right wing THING that Republicans became will be a powerless entity. Like what happened to Sauron at the end of the Lord of the Rings. His power was broken for as long as any one could foresee.

Little picture: This explains why today seems so fraught (to me, at least it explains it). These are the times of change. White entitlement, especially white male entitlement was the theme of the US's past century or more. In a democracy, change isn't linear, it's jagged. Goes back and forth, just over time, the center moves overall. Hence, Obama is followed by Trump who is followed by Biden. After Biden, I think Republicans will put up the most vicious, reactionary authoritarian of all. I don't know who it is but he's going to be a real stinker. So, this half of the 2020's are going to be dynamic and not fun. Could be worse than right now. Today's right wingers are trying to break majority rule, break rule of law as it now stands, all in order to control the direction we are going. If that stinker in 2024 succeeds, as in Lord of the Rings if Sauron had succeeded, Sauron would rule for as long as any one could foresee. Because authoritarian rule in this era is terrifying.

We won this round. It was terrifying for the last few weeks and I'm starting to feel pretty good about the political future. Now we still have to deal with historic level economic depression, 2nd worst ever jobs situation in the modern era, a plague and climate change and on and on. We had no chance with Republican rule and small chance with Democratic rule. "so you say I have a chance, YEEESSS"

tiny picture: love your family, keep them close, try to do the right things. Have a drink and what the hell? It's still a beautiful world. I really hope you are doing well.
 
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Fogdog

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Please don't come back with "not if they're republican" cuz that is just fucked up and feels like we are as bad as they are.. Again.. over and over... when I speak like this I only mean the decent hard working republicans in 1/3 of our states, the ones no one seems to believe exist. Not the terrorists.
Yeah, well, they are doing a shit ton of hurt. Old earl has to die. One way or t'other

 
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bundee1

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Yeah, thats what i thought mate.
So the hardest hit areas have lesser population density but much higher than average religious density.
Could religion be a factor in it?
I've said from the get go that I found it pretty ironic that 84% of the world's population are religious (72% if you don't count bhudism).
So for everyone that dies there's a 72-84% chance they believe that iether god will save them.
Or if they die that it was gods will and was ultimately for a greater good.
Has anyone else questioned this yet?
The South historically is home to the more ignorant section of the population and it has to do with religion and racism. The rich landowners/slaveowners convinced the poor sharecroppers that they were poor but God would one day reward them In heaven. They were also convinced that as bad as they had it they weren't as bad as black slaves. They vote against better conditions for themselves and more tax breaks for the rich because those same actions would benefit minorities. It continues until this day. They have lower education and lower health and standards of living. These are the people Trump tricked into voting for him and they are dying to stay by his side.
 

Jimdamick

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hanimmal

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I dodge politics too. It comes up, usually from republican, then I get defensive (when they are factually wrong), which leads to conversation. "Friend" may be a word I used too loosely.. I don't have republican "friends" as far as in that context (current party.) Many republicans don't support the republican party as is: the inhumanity, the rasicm & systemic abuses. Many vote republican due to livelihood. Policy. As you can tell from the polls, more and more of them are getting sick of him!

The republican's I know are either family, small business owners, or aquaintances from pool, poker, etc. Most I know well are either family or mainly work related. They are not vile, if they are, I remove them from my life..

My singular point (as far as the communication thing with republicans) is that America seriously needs to find some common middle ground. To beat covid, and to take our country back from the orange man.. as my sister says (republican..) Not to mention all the other amazing things that could be accomplished with a bit of teamwork. Teamwork makes the dream work. Communicate and even possibly compromise. Until that happens on both sides, shit is going to continue to get worse for everyone. We are walking a fine line with on both sides. In my opinion.

I'm on the left side of this "social" war for sure (: Fk them... let's go to war for humanity. I'm all in. Thing is, it won't be north vs south or east vs west.. The way technology, media, and social media is and folks of all cultures have aligned with parties and divided themselves.. It's going to be neighbors vs neighbors, families vs families, people at work, supermarkets, like is already happening except worse.. based on personal beliefs and experiences rather than hate - hate too - but both.. It's human nature to protect ones self.

Is that really what the masses are aiming for? I hope not.. I know I'm not. That will not solve our issues, imho. I can understand attacking the trolls but I will never understand an attack on someones character, when you know nothing about them, other than "they are a republican." I don't judge tho - but if it's abusive (vile) I will lose respect..

I'm weird and I know it. I have fought for peace and equality my entire life and both sides have laughed in my face or came at me with abuse. I'm not enough "left" and certainly not enough "right." No man's land.. I guess. Lol.

Of course we can be friends. I don't think I am vile, am I?? Still trying to figure out how I left that impression with some folks... I literally only defended myself against attacks. Posssibly I have forgot. Idk. I couldn't conversate with a racist, I've dropped family for that.. I can conversate with a well - meaning republican though. So I guess we are even on the open and forgiveness, haha!

I was doing one liners all day and now I'm back to novels.. Fuckin Republicans! Lol.. going back to my corner ------->

Edited post for context: for some reason my last edit wasn't there, and some words came out wrong..
If I was you I would get really familiar with the Russian attack that our country is under using trolls on every side of every issue to whip up Americans to the point of radicalization. Not just a little bit of it, but to actually do a deep dive into it and how it works. Because all of your friends and family are being attacked with it.
Agreed... I was mid-editing that post lol, I had taken "civil war" out and apparently what I had wrote prior posted anyways? It was odd. Like alot of things didn't change, I had condensed it. Kinda sucks because I always re-read a few times to make sure I wrote correct.

My honest thoughts.. this country is not headed toward peace. We have came togather for cause, yet are more divided then ever. Things will get worse and they are, daily. That is what I speak of.

I still believe it is possible for compromise between GOOD people. Maybe I'm just silly/crazy. I fear otherwise - no one will win. Any other way (besides teamwork) looks to me like mass destruction. I feel if we are gonna win the covid / humanity wars, we need ALL of us good people (Left, Independent, and Republicans who are NOT sociopaths) against all of the BAD people (trump and his minion terrorists.) But yeah.. I agree. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
I disagree, last night in Portland no Trump Federal goonsquad and surprise no violence. Very few people have been ingured/killed with the 10's of thousands of protestors in the streets, and the actual damage to the cities they are in has been extremely light.

The narrative being pushed is that our country is not headed towards peace, and it is obvious when you hear Trump talk. But outside of his cult and people who were extremely vulnerable to being brainwashed becoming radicalized and don't have anyone in their family or friends to help pull them back from the propaganda, and moments of 'Karen'ing', the actual people who know better and are causing damage to other human beings is very rare. It is just the internet/24 hour news cycle and a hype man in the Oval Office that makes it seem much worse than it is.

The biggest problem I think is the people who are brainwashed into dismissing science and causing things like Measels to become an issue once again.
 

Jimdamick

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Please don't come back with "not if they're republican" cuz that is just fucked up and feels like we are as bad as they are.
Yea, well I'm coming back with fuck 'em if they're a POS Republican.
They alone decided to jump into Trump's boat (Nazis come too mind) & they alone are responsible for the shit storm we are in now.
I have no pity at all for Republicans, they have been lying & fucking over the average American citizen for decades.
Let them all get COVID-19 and fucking die.
This country (World?) would be a better place.
 

Jimdamick

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a third of the economy is gone
And again, a Democrat will have to fix the mess left by the Republicans.
Most recent example is what Obama had to face after Bush, the worst economic situation since the Great Depression.
Obama saved this country, but yet in the mind of a Republican/Trump supporter he was a failure.
Let me be a fortune teller.
Biden will win the election & be left with the largest pile of shit in the history of this country to rectify.
One way or the other, he will succeed, but then the idiots in this country will elect a Republican again, because there has NEVER been a continuous Democratic administration (FDR doesn't count)
We vacillate back & forth, again & again between Democrats & Republicans never acknowledging/understanding the fucking fact that Republicans are a fucking disaster usually.
What too do?
Well, in my case, it usually consists of lot's of drugs & alcohol too dull the pain.
Pretty sad, eh?

 

Queen2Green

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There is no common ground to be found with Republicans. They have gone so far to the right, the ground between us and them, I'm not willing to accept as something to barter over. They can have it. What they have done is ceded the middle ground to Democrats. The only true conservatives right now are center right Democrats and Independents. They influence but they aren't the majority in the Democratic Party. The majority is the center left. There is no meaningful far left faction, though that is growing. But the far left cannot win in contested districts, the key to taking control of this country away from the stinkers. The far left only win in safe blue districts, so really they are just a loud small and future-important group because the future will probably go more in their direction.

Big picture-little picture



Big picture: The US is fifteen years behind California politically. Fifteen years ago, Pete Wilson took over after a Democrat was impeached for no good reason in California. Pete ran on an anti immigrant, crime fighting platform. Sound familiar? California is politically in a pretty good place right now.

Demographics are shifting in the US. By 2030, the country will be more diverse, the WW2 generation all gone, boomers well into decline. Millenials will be ascendant, with some already 30 years old. THEY and gen Y were the ones totally screwed by Bush's recession. And They will not have white as the majority, though white still plurality. Republicans have zero chance with them after Trump. So, after 2030, with millenials entering middle age, the argument will be over. The reactionary right wing THING that Republicans became will be a powerless entity. Like what happened to Sauron at the end of the Lord of the Rings. His power was broken for as long as any one could foresee.

Little picture: This explains why today seems so fraught (to me, at least it explains it). These are the times of change. White entitlement, especially white male entitlement was the theme of the US's past century or more. In a democracy, change isn't linear, it's jagged. Goes back and forth, just over time, the center moves overall. Hence, Obama is followed by Trump who is followed by Biden. After Biden, I think Republicans will put up the most vicious, reactionary authoritarian of all. I don't know who it is but he's going to be a real stinker. So, this half of the 2020's are going to be dynamic and not fun. Could be worse than right now. Today's right wingers are trying to break majority rule, break rule of law as it now stands, all in order to control the direction we are going. If that stinker in 2024 succeeds, as in Lord of the Rings if Sauron had succeeded, Sauron would rule for as long as any one could foresee. Because authoritarian rule in this era is terrifying.

We won this round. It was terrifying for the last few weeks and I'm starting to feel pretty good about the political future. Now we still have to deal with historic level economic depression, 2nd worst ever jobs situation in the modern era, a plague and climate change and on and on. We had no chance with Republican rule and small chance with Democratic rule. "so you say I have a chance, YEEESSS"

tiny picture: love your family, keep them close, try to do the right things. Have a drink and what the hell? It's still a beautiful world. I really hope you are doing well.
I got to tired to continue this last night, sorry..(:
Here is my random thoughts.. with a few tough truths thrown in. I've lived in AZ, CA, MT, ND, MS, NV, and spent months at a time in a few other states for work. I also have family in MT, MI, AZ, TX, GA, NY, ND, SD, WY, UT, MS, MO, OR, FL, CA, TN, AL. editing.. I keep thinking of more and more states LOL... I come from a huge family spaced all over the US..

"There is no common ground to be found with Republicans"
We are seriously going to have to "agree to disagree" on this point. I stand firm in my views based on my life experiences and I understand that you stand firm in yours. I am not saying to go out seeking republicans or become a republican. I am saying in order to beat covid (and trump) we ALL - the human race - need to communicate better.. The common ground is survival.

I never said to give up per se or "barter" anything. I implied compromise is necessary and the context in which I intended was compromise on behalf of the republicans. They need to compromise. The only thing we need to do is be kind, and informative. Communicate with our communities. Not make assumptions, and be cruel.. Isn't that what this side of the parties represents anyways?

Big picture-little picture
1st link is reputable site and even though that is from 2016 - the points it makes are still relevant. I have been saying the same to people in my life for the last 30 years. Things are changing. The white man's rule is OVER. Finally, for fucks sakes. I am as happy about this as you are.

Completely agree that demographics are shifting throughout not just the US, but the entire world.. I'm 100% aware and personally involved, my children are 2 races. I've also protested for the rights of immigrants. The world is a big beautiful place that I would like to wander.. I believe in equality and the freedoms to do so..

2nd link is center-left bias. It makes me sad that folks read such places. That is just as much danger as the russians.. because it is not the straight truth. At best is twisted facts based on personal opinions. I did not read, sorry..

California
I've spent some time in California..specifically Sacramento and the Bay Area, as recently as 2019. Mostly for work. I loved CA so please don't take this wrong but I am not impressed. The homeless population is unbelievably disheartening. I remember being SO sad. Plus, shit.. shit everywhere.. The people are great though. San Diego was amazing.

Do you know CA most recent rankings scorecard? Atleast, that I can currently find in a brief search.. Fiscal Stability #42 Opportunity #49. Regardless of how well "politics" are doing or not, the state as a whole is not doing well. Here's a few good links with more info.. as this all will certainly have effect on politics.

No, California's Finances Are Not Back In Black

This link below is interesting because the #1 reason is the gov't - political..
The Top 4 Reasons California is Unsubstainable

White entitlement
Is there still too much? Absolutely..
Does it explain why today seems so fraught? Not so much..
Many "white" republicans are tired of this. They weren't racist to begin with. They view as things were fine (yes, very uneducated.) They had no bias or hatred, they were just living their lives. Some of those people are turning racist just due to the current state of affairs. That is their ignorance, of course. Some just want us to all get along, they are the peacemakers. Some want chaos, they are the problems. Your theories are based on the assumption that people are defined by their party. They really are not, they are defined by their lives and personal experiences.. imho.

In Conclusion..
I agree, this 2020-30 is not going to be fun. No one is expecting fun. I do not fear republican rule in 2024, because I truly envision change. The republican party is dead. They did it to themselves in less than 4 years. American people have had enough. Trump lost popular vote, republicans have certainly not gained voters.

I'm super happy to hear about a win.. I can imagine. I don't watch the news... but I watch live. That's why I have twitter.. (plus.. poker twitter is fkn hilarious) Don't need the new with folks everywhere taking videos. Life live feed via twitter daily. All over the US.. so I'm pretty well up to date on whats going on out there, without leaving my house. Folks are broadcasting live..

Your tiny picture is my BIG picture. Love your family, friends, and other humans in general. Keep them close. Life is too damn short. Stop taking it for granted. Take it from someone who knows.

I wish I could have a drink, bahaha. Not a drinker... alcoholism runs in the family too. I'm a toker:leaf:the black sheep. I really hope you are doing well also(: I have a cousin in Bend, OR.. so beautiful there. Rains (gloomy) too much in that state for me, but it is surely gorgeous. I need my vitamin D!
 
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