fatasstrex
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Flipped to 11/13 light schedule on August 1st. I've defoliated a couple of times since then. Do these look like they should be defoliated more?
Do I need to defoliate more?
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mark's grow
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Never flowered plants under leds, I think you have to keep the canopy level ( need to get the canopy level) being early flower it maybe better top/bend all tops level with the screen, to give you a better harvest.
3 weeks in flower I would lollipop all the plants as you need a clear 1ft space between the soil and canopy to reduce bugs and keep humidity low.
3 weeks in flower I would lollipop all the plants as you need a clear 1ft space between the soil and canopy to reduce bugs and keep humidity low.
Merlin1147
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I do very little defoliation. I remover bud site that won’t amount to anything But the leave stay as long as I can control Rh. i Agree with Mark you could lower the net and bend everything under to level the canopy.
Tetrahedral
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There's plenty of space still, plants aren't very big yet, already lots of bud sites.
You need the opposite of defoliating, more leaves.
You need the opposite of defoliating, more leaves.
Tetrahedral
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Another crazy idea from people who learnt to grow on cannabis forum's.
fatasstrex
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Dude, where else is someone to learn about growing bud?... It's not like everyone has the luxury of knowing experienced growers
Budley Doright
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Next couple of grows try leaving the leaves on on a few and see for yourself if there are any differences with the final product.
Budley Doright
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Actually I’m a guy who didn’t have access to forums as I started growing in 1974 (14 years old lol). Forums are great but yup there is a shit load of conflicting info. I tell people to try the different methods (within reason lol) and keep doing what works in he or she’s situation.
Tetrahedral
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If someone want to grow less then they only have to ask, if they asking if this was right for big quick yeilds it's no where close. Why scrog when you can do better sog or topping, same as why defoliate if you can get more not and by growing more smaller plants.
Why do people do a second defoliation in flower, because the dam leaves grow back and cause the same problem, it's really pointless.
Tetrahedral
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Not many people fail to grow plants, a lot here fail though. Many experienced growers are just fakes, lights are sold on it, nutrients price jacked and I'm pretty sure in the last five years the sales of humidifiers and ac's shot up 3000percent just based on some experienced growers concept that HP's heats leaves to over 100f.
Wake up, you would have to be around a while to realise the shit storm this forum exists in.
Look at my grow on another site, I am growing under LED's and there's a discussion about defoliating included in the grow. It's on THCFarmer. There is also a great podcast link by Rasta Jeff of Irie Seeds that does a great job explaining how, when and why.........
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After over 30+ years of growing under HPS bulbs, I've finally made the switch to LED's. Bigtime! 2 of these LED's cost me over $2800 delivered. Everything is new- a new room, 2 new lights, a new strain, a different exhaust system, new pots, etc........ Excessive heat was the main reason for the...
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Budley Doright
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So yes there is, like I said, a whole pile of info, some good, some bad. Where would you suggest a person go to learn if they had no clue where to start? As for pulling leaves my experience is don’t unless you fucked up and over filled. I’ve never seen it help any of my grows but perhaps some others have success. That’s why I advocate trying different methods. It’s a plant FFS, have fun with it lol.
fatasstrex
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did I fuck up and screw my yields by defoliating too much? I won't defoliate anymore
Yes, it appears you did defoliate too much. What you need to know is every strain reacts differently to it. You can defoliate heavily if the strain puts off a lot of leaves. If it doesn’t have a ton of leaves, you have to strategically remove larger leaves on an occasional basis. Look at my grow, I think you’ll learn a lot.
In over 30 years of growing, I never defoliated, not once. I did lollipop the bottom 1/3 of every plant, which is actually a defoliation of sorts. The above links shows my first venture into it, and I now believe there is something to it all. But it is strain specific.......
In over 30 years of growing, I never defoliated, not once. I did lollipop the bottom 1/3 of every plant, which is actually a defoliation of sorts. The above links shows my first venture into it, and I now believe there is something to it all. But it is strain specific.......
Hydrowannabe
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Tetrahedral
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If you really wanted to learn you would complete basic college sciences and maths then enrol in either a farming college or hi-tech agriculture and lab study if you want a deeper understanding.
Most who do that won't be needing these type of site and are already proficient enough,. There's bigger and better paid opportunity out there than this, some cannabis companies may even have employed some to do the more complex work a grower could not do without help.
A good grounding in lots of species and ways of growing is another way, been gardening long? You probably can appreciate the simple side and do well with cannabis indoors.
Without this you end up here chucking a $1000 at the latest led because other lights only fry plants, you add strong acids and alkalis to soil which dosent want or need it and creates big imbalance, you grow a plant then strip 70percent of leaves of it in the belief less is more and then stick your damp bud in a jar with drying aids then claim the wrong humidity caused the cure to stop and it all turn to low grade bush weed.
I'm not saying some won't avoid that or eventually learn it's just I don't need to hear their opinions until they hit a certain level of competence.
I don't defoliate because I produce more without, by the time my plants start flowering they are the size and shape I want not overgrown by 70percent and needing stopping back, if I want to add a few weeks to veg and get less yeild and harvest I can defoliate which I know all about. If you have enough light in the field you never cut back, only crop this benefits are ones where less energy into fruiting and flowering makes a superior product at the expense of less yeild.
Some answers seem too simple but here it's an endless debate, I feel sorry for soil growers being tricked into buying the whole pH kit when they didn't ever need it, weed sites are like this other places are not and leave you with a proper education you can transfer to most other types of growing.
And that's from a who has been on the site 1 month.......... I will add this: I know numerous people who manage large indoor grow operations in Colorado- and every single one of them defoliate their rooms (actually, they have workers do it). Outdoors it's not necessary, as the sun is strong enough and moves across the sky and hits the plants at various angles. But indoors, done correctly, it will increase your yield. People that say it won't, either aren't doing it correctly or their strain doesn't put off enough leaves to warrant doing it.
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