Dealing with Politics and Family

How many family members have you quit speaking to family since 2014 due to politics?

  • 0

    Votes: 34 63.0%
  • 1

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • 3+

    Votes: 18 33.3%

  • Total voters
    54

hanimmal

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I will admit I'm underinformed. I don't feel it's such a bad thing when I see how friends or family are so angry about what's happening. It's not like I don't know what's happening at all as I talk to people and hear the radio. I get some news stories on my phone. So if something major happens I see it eventually. But it might be 10 mins a week. I still catch myself getting sucked into the television if I go to a friends house and news is on. Like my mind is trying to make up for not watching it anymore. Its become entertainment of some sort or something like that cause it's very interesting for something that's really kinda boring. I think of it like this and try not to worry too much, the way our government is set up it takes years for minor changes to get passed, one party is in office a few years then the other, they both barely chip at pushing real agendas one way or the other. I feel if one party is over reaching during their turn the other party will make up for it the next time it's their turn.

Not completely off grid gotta have plenty of electric. Just don't like to be made anxious over every little thing going on in the world.
I made this thread a while back to describe what you are talking about.

It's like the ultimate game of telephone with information anymore. And unfortunately the person that talk on comment boards (just like this one here) is getting the actual information altered and spammed to them by militarized Trump trolls (foreign and domestic) online cat fishing them.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-police-elections-7051411972c58cfbbf079876ce527ab4
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KENNESAW, Ga. (AP) — Before she died in Wednesday’s siege at the U.S. Capitol, Rosanne Boyland was a recovering drug addict who wanted to become a sobriety counselor. But she also believed, wrongly, that President Donald Trump won the November election, and she’d begun following a dark conspiracy theory that has circulated online, her family said.

“It just spiraled,” her sister, Lonna Cave, said Friday outside her home in suburban Atlanta.

Boyland, 34, was one of three people who died of medical emergencies when a pro-Trump mob, egged on by the president, stormed the Capitol as Congress was certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s victory. A fourth person was fatally shot by police and an officer was also killed.

Capitol police have not released details about how Boyland, a Kennesaw resident, died.

Cave said the family has heard conflicting accounts. A friend who was with her said Boyland was pinned to the ground and trampled during a violent clash between rioters and police. But her sister said a police detective told the family Boyland had collapsed while standing off to the side in the Capitol Rotunda.

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Cave said her sister had no intention of committing violence when she traveled to Washington. The family had begged her not to go.

“She promised me, ‘I’m going to stand on the sidelines. I’m just going to show my support,’ ” Cave told The Associated Press.

Boyland was arrested multiple times on drug offenses, but had been sober for several years and found new purpose in politics, Nicholas Stamathis, a friend of hers from Kennesaw, told AP.

“She got clean and sober and stopped blaming other people for her problems and got real conservative,” Stamathis said of his friend, whom he called “Rosie.”

She attended meetings of an addiction group in Atlanta and picked up her young nieces every day from school, her sister said.

The deadly insurrection led Boyland’s brother-in-law, Justin Cave, to call for Trump’s removal from office.

“My own personal belief is that I believe that the president’s words and rhetoric incited a riot (Wednesday) that killed four of his biggest fans,” said Cave, a former host of the HGTV show “Ground Breakers.”

The sisters also clashed over Boyland’s political views and the QAnon myth, which includes wild allegations of a child sex ring. Boyland had begun following the conspiracy theory over the past six months, Lonna Cave said.

Boyland explored its baseless accusations that online furniture retailer Wayfair was part of the fictional ring, her sister said, and her faith in conspiracies spiraled from there.

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“She would text me some things, and I would be like, ‘Let me fact-check that.’ And I’d sit there and I’d be like, ‘Well, I don’t think that’s actually right,’” Lonna Cave, 39, said. “We got in fights about it, arguments.”

Boyland’s Facebook page featured photos and videos praising Trump and promoting fantasies, including one theory that a shadowy group was using the coronavirus to steal elections.

While they hadn’t seen each other in years, Stamathis said they chatted over Facebook Messenger regularly. A week or two ago, they had traded memes “of liberals losing their mind” online.

“Making fun of liberals together, we bonded over that a lot,” he said.

Boyland’s friend, Justin Winchell, said Boyland was pinned to the ground when bodies of police and protesters pushed against each other. People began falling and then trampling one another, Winchell told WGCL-TV in Atlanta.

“I put my arm underneath her and was pulling her out and then another guy fell on top of her, and another guy was just walking (on top of her),” Winchell said. “There were people stacked two- to three-deep … people just crushed.

The two others who died of medical emergencies are Kevin Greeson, 55, of Athens, Alabama and Benjamin Philips, 50, of Ringtown, Pennsylvania. Ashli Babbitt, 35, of San Diego, was fatally shot by police as she tried to climb through the broken window of a barricaded doorway inside the Capitol.

Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to law enforcement officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation publicly. He died at a hospital.

Boyland’s final post on Twitter — a retweet of a post from Dan Scavino, the White House social media director — was a picture of thousands of people surrounding the Washington Monument on Wednesday. The photo was taken before Trump, in a speech there, repeated his unfounded claims of election fraud and incited demonstrators to go to the Capitol as lawmakers debated the electoral votes.

Boyland’s family has received multiple threats since her death. They blame Trump for the violence, believing she got caught up in the president’s lies about the election.

“It cost her her life,” Lonna Cave said.
 

hanimmal

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The politician she revered above all others had lost an election. She’d struggled with crippling amounts of debt. Her home state of California was locking down again because of a virus she believed was fiction.

As she walked east along the Mall on Wednesday, wearing a backpack emblazoned with the American flag, Ashli Babbitt was elated.

“It was amazing to get to see the president talk,” Babbitt said, beaming in a video she streamed on Facebook early Wednesday afternoon that was later published by TMZ. “We are now walking down the inaugural path to the Capitol building. Three million-plus people.”

There was no crowd of three million: just a mob, lawless and maskless, that numbered in the thousands. Babbitt’s mission, which she had repeatedly avowed on social media, was to restore American democracy. But she was about to take part in a riot that would go down in history as one of that democracy’s most grievous attacks.

After a long but undistinguished military career and years of personal travails, Babbitt — a 35-year-old Air Force veteran from Southern California who once supported Barack Obama — believed she had found a cause that gave her life purpose. Within hours, that cause would bring her life to a violent end.

Trump supporters storm U.S. Capitol, with one woman killed and tear gas fired

Hers was the first death reported Jan. 6, when rioters incited by President Trump overran the seat of the U.S. government. In the coming days there would be others. Brian D. Sicknick, a 42-year-old Capitol police officer who died after being injured while trying to push back the mob. Rosanne Boyland, Kevin D. Greeson and Benjamin Phillips, who died of medical emergencies during the chaos.

But it was Babbitt, fatally shot by police as she attempted to leap through the broken window of a door inside the Capitol, whose name would almost instantly become synonymous with the feverish movement that had propelled thousands of Americans to desecrate a pillar of their government.

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Long before she embraced those ideas, Babbitt was on a rocky path. She was loyal but rebellious, devoted to her country but often unable to get along with those who shared it. A believer in American pluck and free enterprise, she struggled in her attempts to run a small pool-service company outside San Diego.

She served more than a decade in the armed forces but chafed under the military hierarchy. Six of those years were spent in an Air National Guard unit whose mandate is to defend the Washington region and respond to civil unrest. Its nickname: the Capital Guardians.

Inside the Capitol siege: How barricaded lawmakers and aides sounded urgent pleas for help as police lost control

Like so many others, she believed Jan. 6 would be not a day of infamy, but an end to her troubles.

“Nothing will stop us,” she tweeted Jan. 5. “They can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!”
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But online, she argued that the country’s problems were bigger than they had ever been.

Her anger appeared to intensify amid the pandemic, which she insisted was overblown, calling it the “controla virus” and “a F---ING JOKE.”

“We are being hoodwinked,” she wrote in July. “The sheep need to wake up.”

On Dec. 29, eight days before her death, she discovered a tweet from Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris promising to distribute more vaccines, promote mask-wearing and get students back to school.

“No the f--- you will not!” Babbitt retorted.

In the week leading up to her trip to Washington for the Trump demonstration, however, her online fury receded, replaced with glee and a new sense of mission. She retweeted dozens of figures promoting Trump’s demands that his supporters gather to overturn the election, including Trump supporter Jack Posobiec, QAnon activists, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump Jr.

“I will be there tomorrow!” she wrote Jan. 4 in response to another supporter heading to the nation’s capital. “Gods speed!”

She boarded a plane in San Diego the next morning and sat beside Will Carless, a journalist from USA Today who would later film the moment just before the pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol. He called her “gregarious and chatty” and said they talked about a California beach town each of them loved.

The next day, it was overcast and cold in the District. Babbitt dressed in a hooded jacket and put an American flag backpack on her shoulders. She listened to the president tell her and many others that the country could only be taken back with strength, not weakness. Then she marched to the Capitol, surrounded, she said in her final Facebook video, by fellow “patriots.”

“She loved her country, and she was doing what she thought was right to support her country, joining up with like-minded people that also love their president and their country,” her husband told Fox-5 San Diego.

Not long after 2 p.m., he said, he sent her a message to ask how she was doing. She never wrote back.

Rioters breached the Capitol as they waved pro-police flags. Police support on the right may be eroding, experts warn.

A truth affirmed

While her husband was waiting, Babbitt was with the mob that swarmed the lightly staffed barricades surrounding their national legislature. In a scene unlike any in American history, they bashed in the windows of the U.S. Capitol. They fought with the police, screaming and waving Trump campaign flags and Confederate battle flags. They wandered through the halls and chambers of the Capitol as panicked lawmakers sheltered in place or were evacuated. Tear gas canisters were discharged in the Rotunda.

And a gun was fired.

Adding in the propaganda shot video. The actual video from Washington Post show the police trying to actually stop the crowd from going through the door being screamed and threatened actually moving out of the way, it is hard to draw a conclusion without seeing that video, these are edited to make police look bad.

It is unclear exactly how and when Babbitt entered the Capitol. She undoubtedly understood law enforcement could use deadly force in response to the breach. Airmen in the role Babbitt once occupied in the D.C. Air National Guard’s 113th Air Wing receive riot-control training, and her former unit was mobilized to protect the Capitol on Wednesday.

But it has since become clear what happened inside: The raging crowd that bashed in the windows of a barricaded door to the Speaker’s Lobby, with a short tanned woman in an American backpack at the front of its ranks. Her attempt to climb through one of those windows, leading the way, despite a Capitol Police officer pointing a handgun in her direction. The abrupt way she toppled backward after a single shot resounded.

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DaFreak

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We see this shit daily, it is so prevalent in America. The other day took the family to eat lunch in a restaurant, and as we have experienced dozens of times this past year, the tables around us immediately started talking about the "Chinese Virus" because we are Japanese and they are dumb shits who see all Asians as Chinese. But the shit they come up with, the young mother to our left stated talking with another table about how they were experimenting on rats with the virus and it got out and started the Chinese Virus etc. You can't tell me that those assholes aren't one step away from being Babbitt. I can be a prick when I want to so I switched to English and started talking about the dumb shits who barely graduated high school but now know more than the top scientists in the world because they have facebook.
 

hanimmal

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We see this shit daily, it is so prevalent in America. The other day took the family to eat lunch in a restaurant, and as we have experienced dozens of times this past year, the tables around us immediately started talking about the "Chinese Virus" because we are Japanese and they are dumb shits who see all Asians as Chinese. But the shit they come up with, the young mother to our left stated talking with another table about how they were experimenting on rats with the virus and it got out and started the Chinese Virus etc. You can't tell me that those assholes aren't one step away from being Babbitt. I can be a prick when I want to so I switched to English and started talking about the dumb shits who barely graduated high school but now know more than the top scientists in the world because they have facebook.
Im sorry you and your family have to go through that. It sucks.
 

smokinrav

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I can't see my grandfather anymore. A 93 yr old covid survivor/denier, my mom, his caretaker, said he stopped watching Fox for good when they called the election for Biden. She says, "he now watches the O-W-N network". I say, "you mean OANN network, mom. That's the last bastion for the crazies. Please make him stop."
The conversation basically died right there.
I found out later that essentially my entire immediate family are Trumpsters. Thank God for CV19 in the respect that I had an excuse to miss every family get together in 2020 and most of 2021.
SAD!
 

Frankly Dankly

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The easiest was to deal with differing political views within the family is easy for both parties, it involves not being a cunt to loved ones over a bunch of assholes on both sides of the aisle that want you to be scared consumers. Fear is what drives our world anymore, those in power want us to fear everything. Fear drives consumption. People purchase new cars, jewelry, clothes at insanely fast rates just because they’re afraid. Afraid the neighbors will talk shit, fear that the person of their fancy won’t fuck them if they don’t have the coolest everything. Hell, people are afraid of their own relatives these days.
The best way to deal with family that have different opinions and views is the same as it ever was, before political propaganda from all directions (even ones you may agree with)...Love. Love your family, and don’t let stupid shit get between you. Who cares if your dad or mom supports Trump, who cares if they support Biden? When I get around my dad, all I hear is what Rachael Maddow told him to think, when I’m around my mother in law all I hear is how Trump is our savior. They’re both wrong, both spouting the bullshit their selected media outlets want them to. Just don’t get trapped yourself, into being a judgmental cunt to loved ones. It only furthers the goals of someone else.
 

Frankly Dankly

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I can't see my grandfather anymore. A 93 yr old covid survivor/denier, my mom, his caretaker, said he stopped watching Fox for good when they called the election for Biden. She says, "he now watches the O-W-N network". I say, "you mean OANN network, mom. That's the last bastion for the crazies. Please make him stop."
The conversation basically died right there.
I found out later that essentially my entire immediate family are Trumpsters. Thank God for CV19 in the respect that I had an excuse to miss every family get together in 2020 and most of 2021.
SAD!
You shouldn’t thank god in the name of a pandemic that’s killed a million people just so you don’t have to be around your family. That sounds crazier than anything I’ve seen in this thread, and anything I’ve seen in the media.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The easiest was to deal with differing political views within the family is easy for both parties, it involves not being a cunt to loved ones over a bunch of assholes on both sides of the aisle that want you to be scared consumers. Fear is what drives our world anymore, those in power want us to fear everything. Fear drives consumption. People purchase new cars, jewelry, clothes at insanely fast rates just because they’re afraid. Afraid the neighbors will talk shit, fear that the person of their fancy won’t fuck them if they don’t have the coolest everything. Hell, people are afraid of their own relatives these days.
The best way to deal with family that have different opinions and views is the same as it ever was, before political propaganda from all directions (even ones you may agree with)...Love. Love your family, and don’t let stupid shit get between you. Who cares if your dad or mom supports Trump, who cares if they support Biden? When I get around my dad, all I hear is what Rachael Maddow told him to think, when I’m around my mother in law all I hear is how Trump is our savior. They’re both wrong, both spouting the bullshit their selected media outlets want them to. Just don’t get trapped yourself, into being a judgmental cunt to loved ones. It only furthers the goals of someone else.
Sorry, but both sides are not the same.

Do they support sacking the Capital and attacking the congress? People need to take personal responsibility for their words and actions.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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You shouldn’t thank god in the name of a pandemic that’s killed a million people just so you don’t have to be around your family. That sounds crazier than anything I’ve seen in this thread, and anything I’ve seen in the media.
Trump is responsible for the covid crises and 74 million moral failures supported this mass murder because racism jerked their chains so hard their fucking heads popped clean off.
 

Frankly Dankly

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Sorry, but both sides are not the same.

Do they support sacking the Capital and attacking the congress? People need to take personal responsibility for their words and actions.
You’ve fallen for the trap then. Both sides are indeed the same, hence the saying two wings on the same bird. I’ve seen the blank eyes, trembling chins, spittle on the chin, and red face of political zealots on both sides. One side does it if you don’t wear a mask or you Trump, the other side does it if you support Biden or you wear the mask. It’s intellectually and emotionally dishonest to act like your side is better just because you’re on it.
 

hanimmal

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The easiest was to deal with differing political views within the family is easy for both parties, it involves not being a cunt to loved ones over a bunch of assholes on both sides of the aisle that want you to be scared consumers. Fear is what drives our world anymore, those in power want us to fear everything. Fear drives consumption. People purchase new cars, jewelry, clothes at insanely fast rates just because they’re afraid. Afraid the neighbors will talk shit, fear that the person of their fancy won’t fuck them if they don’t have the coolest everything. Hell, people are afraid of their own relatives these days.
The best way to deal with family that have different opinions and views is the same as it ever was, before political propaganda from all directions (even ones you may agree with)...Love. Love your family, and don’t let stupid shit get between you. Who cares if your dad or mom supports Trump, who cares if they support Biden? When I get around my dad, all I hear is what Rachael Maddow told him to think, when I’m around my mother in law all I hear is how Trump is our savior. They’re both wrong, both spouting the bullshit their selected media outlets want them to. Just don’t get trapped yourself, into being a judgmental cunt to loved ones. It only furthers the goals of someone else.
Do you watch Maddow enough to draw that conclusion about your dad?

I dont disagree with the attack being done to everyone vulnerable regardless of their side, I do disagree about Maddow being the problem or any factual news source outside of random bad actors pushing a false narrative. But enough false media sites pretending to be news (OANN, The Hill, RT, the Nation) but are just pushing the Russian cherry picked propaganda stories that bubbles are formed around.

But you say who cares, I would point to wanting to keep your family healthy during a pandemic may come into play if someone in your family is convinced by the propaganda that Trump's militarized trolls (foreign and domestic) pushed into thinking that the virus is not real.

I agree it comes down to loving your family though. I am more concerned about being able to talk about anything important without the social land mines going of because I may accidentally touch on a subject they are programmed to trigger on.
You shouldn’t thank god in the name of a pandemic that’s killed a million people just so you don’t have to be around your family. That sounds crazier than anything I’ve seen in this thread, and anything I’ve seen in the media.
What do you mean by 'media'?

You’ve fallen for the trap then. Both sides are indeed the same, hence the saying two wings on the same bird. I’ve seen the blank eyes, trembling chins, spittle on the chin, and red face of political zealots on both sides. One side does it if you don’t wear a mask or you Trump, the other side does it if you support Biden or you wear the mask. It’s intellectually and emotionally dishonest to act like your side is better just because you’re on it.
Welcome to the forum, remember you always have a ignore button if people are trolling you and it makes it hard to have a actual conversation without those other voices seeping in.

Best of luck to you and your family.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Could we be dealing with the effects of the Parlor shutting down! All the crazies are running for whatever online place they can find, as the rocks and debris of Trumpism are cleared from the political and social landscape.
 

Frankly Dankly

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Do you watch Maddow enough to draw that conclusion about your dad?

I dont disagree with the attack being done to everyone vulnerable regardless of their side, I do disagree about Maddow being the problem or any factual news source outside of random bad actors pushing a false narrative. But enough false media sites pretending to be news (OANN, The Hill, RT, the Nation) but are just pushing the Russian cherry picked propaganda stories that bubbles are formed around.

But you say who cares, I would point to wanting to keep your family healthy during a pandemic may come into play if someone in your family is convinced by the propaganda that Trump's militarized trolls (foreign and domestic) pushed into thinking that the virus is not real.

I agree it comes down to loving your family though. I am more concerned about being able to talk about anything important without the social land mines going of because I may accidentally touch on a subject they are programmed to trigger on.

What do you mean by 'media'?


Welcome to the forum, remember you always have a ignore button if people are trolling you and it makes it hard to have a actual conversation without those other voices seeping in.

Best of luck to you and your family.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/
Unfortunately, I’ve already had to use the ignore button a few times. I’m not saying Maddow in specific is a problem, just that it’s the only source of information on in his house. My old man was never inside during the day, his wife has him chained to the tv, inside all day, and msnbc is the only thing on. He no longer questions anything he sees on msnbc, even when debunked by left leaning sources. He’s afraid of his granddaughters, won’t come to their birthdays, won’t hug them. That’s not who my dad is, it’s who he was manipulated into being. I love the shit out of my dad, and refuse to let anything get in the way of that. Regards to you and yours, may y’all remain safe in this river of shite we’ve had as of late.
 

DaFreak

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Trump is responsible for the covid crises and 74 million moral failures supported this mass murder because racism jerked their chains so hard their fucking heads popped clean off.
I don’t disagree that Trump made it much much worse, but many many Americans were vaccine disbelievers and anti-maskers long before him. How many Americans wore masks before covid when they were sick with the flu or cold? I don’t believe I ever saw an American in a mask. I used to get shit all the time for wearing a mask when I was sick. People would be like, “what are you afraid of,” and I would literally have to explain the mask was for them because I was already sick.
I’m not convinced if Trump begged his followers to wear masks they would have, they would probably have turned on him.
 

Frankly Dankly

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Every Asian family goes through this constantly now. Wife won’t even leave the house by herself anymore, too scared about what could happen.
That sucks, I guess I’m somewhat insulated from certain things due to living in a rural township. It hadn’t crossed my mind how people of Asian lineage may be mistreated due to irrational fear. It’s not something I’ve seen in my area. Being a white guy of irish descent, I still find it weird that people still can’t tell the difference between asian nationalities. Granted, even rural California has a pretty large and diverse asian population.
 

hanimmal

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Every Asian family goes through this constantly now. Wife won’t even leave the house by herself anymore, too scared about what could happen.
I don’t disagree that Trump made it much much worse, but many many Americans were vaccine disbelievers and anti-maskers long before him. How many Americans wore masks before covid when they were sick with the flu or cold? I don’t believe I ever saw an American in a mask. I used to get shit all the time for wearing a mask when I was sick. People would be like, “what are you afraid of,” and I would literally have to explain the mask was for them because I was already sick.
I’m not convinced if Trump begged his followers to wear masks they would have, they would probably have turned on him.
Unfortunately, I’ve already had to use the ignore button a few times.
Right on, if I am ever out of line and get tired and troll you just let me know and I will make sure to try (lol sorry hard to guarantee I will see it before I post again) to slow down and consider what you are saying.

It get's obvious if you stick around when you know your being trolled/by who.


I’m not saying Maddow in specific is a problem, just that it’s the only source of information on in his house. My old man was never inside during the day, his wife has him chained to the tv, inside all day, and msnbc is the only thing on. He no longer questions anything he sees on msnbc, even when debunked by left leaning sources.
I agree, I try to keep it on as background noise too mostly (unless a hearing is on) and do catch them overstepping on what has actually been reported. And too many of their talking heads (not the actual shows hosts because they have to pay fines/get sued if they are wrong) get to trolling and say things that are not true or are misleading/propagandized.

It becomes obvious that some of them are as radicalized by the 'left-trolls' that have been militarized to push people who won't vote for Trump into a anti-establishment 'don't vote' bubble.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/trumps-war-on-factual-news-journalism.1020994/post-15615786

https://www.rollitup.org/t/russia-is-supporting-bernie-sanders-as-well-as-trump-again-in-2020.1006871/post-15338176

He’s afraid of his granddaughters, won’t come to their birthdays, won’t hug them.
Do you mean now during the pandemic or a year ago?

That’s not who my dad is, it’s who he was manipulated into being. I love the shit out of my dad, and refuse to let anything get in the way of that. Regards to you and yours, may y’all remain safe in this river of shite we’ve had as of late.
If I was you I would check out what websites he is browsing/commenting on.

I bet if that is the case you will find the chat rooms on those are a left-bubble.

I hope you stick around man. You seem like an actual person who lives in America. No offense, I try to make sure I keep a 'shrodinger's cat' approach to online conversations.

If I don't know the person in real life, I try to always think of them as who they present themselves as, while at the same time understanding that they are just as likely to be a paid troll who is attacking this website like they are every single other one with a chat feature.
 

hanimmal

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Every Asian family goes through this constantly now. Wife won’t even leave the house by herself anymore, too scared about what could happen.
That sucks I am sorry and hope you and your wife/kids stay safe.

I heard a lot of 'go back home' which sucks in your own country, and 'you're one of the good ones though'.
I don’t disagree that Trump made it much much worse, but many many Americans were vaccine disbelievers and anti-maskers long before him. How many Americans wore masks before covid when they were sick with the flu or cold? I don’t believe I ever saw an American in a mask. I used to get shit all the time for wearing a mask when I was sick. People would be like, “what are you afraid of,” and I would literally have to explain the mask was for them because I was already sick.
I’m not convinced if Trump begged his followers to wear masks they would have, they would probably have turned on him.
I do know I always thought it was super weird seeing people in masks. I think back on it and cringe now. I would always see people wearing the mask while driving, but now I get it.

You would have thought 60k deaths every year on average due to the regular flu would have woke us up to the dangers of breathing in others fluids all the time and working sick.
 
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