FlushingVsNotFlushing & Chlorophyll Breakdown (Help a fellow Newbie/wanabie Gromie)

[curious2garden]

And that's what so many new growers get caught up in. Social media cannot change scientific facts.

Precisely and most people today are no longer educated to understand how to properly vett data

Here's a nice intro

LibGuides: Evaluating Information: Vetting Your Sources: Evaluating Academic Sources

This guide equips you with tools to evaluate sources within the, often times overwhelming, information landscape.

sarahlawrence.libguides.com

When I went to college we had a class on this. We were taught how to use the library. How to rank information. How to search Medline, Chemline et cetera.

 

[curious2garden]

I see that I'm using the wrong terminology, so I probably look like a noob to you guys. By fade I mean yellowing and losing of the leaves. haha, might be a noob, but glad i'm not an asshat

Insulting science, research or facts doesn't make it less true. It's the Ad Hominem fallacy. If you can't address the facts you make personal insults.

 

[Herb & Suds]

By fade I mean yellowing and losing of the leaves. haha, might be a noob, but glad i'm not an asshat

Prove it?

 

[Sparky413]

Prove it?

lol, I can't

 

[Sparky413]

Insulting science, research or facts doesn't make it less true. It's the Ad Hominem fallacy. If you can't address the facts you make personal insults.

that research paper isn't relevant to anything that i'm saying. Give me a page number anywhere on there, that it talks about chlorophyll

 

[Sparky413]

Science disagrees with you.
"On pages 58, 59 and 60 you will find graphs showing that no matter how they tried to “flush” the plants out, the tissues still contained statistically identical amounts of the various major plant nutritional elements N-P-K-Ca-Mg-S etc…"

Where you will find the actual study and pages 58-60
https://atrium.lib.uoguelph.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10214/12125/Stemeroff_Jonathan_201712_Msc_with_erratum.pdf

I read through that, interesting stuff. Consistent with what I find to be true. Do you have any studies relevant to chlorophyll and harshness of smoke and what I am talking about in regards to flushing?

 

[Herb & Suds]

I read through that, interesting stuff. Consistent with what I find to be true. Do you have any studies relevant to chlorophyll and harshness of smoke and what I am talking about in regards to flushing?

https://cannabis-science-consulting.com/flushing-cannabis/

 

[curious2garden]

.......snip....... what I am talking about in regards to flushing?

Could you please outline what you are talking about in regards to flushing.

 

[curious2garden]

https://cannabis-science-consulting.com/flushing-cannabis/

I simply linked directly to the study itself. I think you're right, and the interpretation will make it more accessible. Good call.

 

[Sparky413]

Could you please outline what you are talking about in regards to flushing.

I'm just saying, when you starve the plant it forces the plant to use up the chlorophyll and chloroplast as food. If you were overfeeding with synthetic nute and your plants is more green than she would be naturally she is going to take much longer to cure if you don't flush her. I've acknowledge that the end product wouldn't be as good. Do you have any research papers that disputes that?

 

[Sparky413]

You told me i was wrong and then linked a long ass article that wasn't relevant? did you link the wrong article, or did you not read it yourself?

 

[Jjgrow420]

And that's what so many new growers get caught up in. Social media cannot change scientific facts.

Lol...u sure about that?
Pretty sure they get paid millions of dollars a year to do just that.

 

[Dank Bongula]

Lol...u sure about that?
Pretty sure they get paid millions of dollars a year to do just that.

Influencers are the new scientific researchers

 

[xtsho]

Lol...u sure about that?
Pretty sure they get paid millions of dollars a year to do just that.

Peddling snake oil and spreading falsehoods does not change scientific facts. But it can be profitable and has been for centuries.

 

[Jjgrow420]

Influencers are the new scientific researchers

Lol. Yep. As long as someone's getting paid who gives a fuck about anything else!

 

[DrOgkush]

I used synthetic for the beginning of my time growing. And even when flushing was popular I never flushed. I keep my plants healthy an alive all the way through to harvest I follow simple directions and never had a problem. I'm all organic now an could never go back. But again. Never flushed because it never made sense to me to starve a living thing in hope to get a better return. But if you don't wanna believe the facts stated. You don't have to. Flush away

 

[curious2garden]

I'm just saying, when you starve the plant it forces the plant to use up the chlorophyll and chloroplast as energy. If you were overfeeding with synthetic nute and your plants is more green than she would be naturally she is going to take much longer to cure if you don't flush her. I've acknowledge that the end product wouldn't be as good. Do you have any research papers that disputes that?

The tobacco growers taught us about Chlorophyll and drying. They take their drying much further than we take ours. To the point they have to add back natural sugars. By not taking our drying that far we retain more of the carbohydrates. Which leads to a better tasting smoke.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296517/

"The first curing step common for all tobacco types is the “yellowing stage,” which is the color change that results from chlorophyll degradation that starts as soon as the green leaves start to dry."

You don't need to starve your plant. The normal drying process removes chlorophyll. But I would postulate that smoking a green pigment isn't harsh. Harsh smoke is usually related to water retention in incompletely dried Cannabis.

I hope that helped.

 

[xtsho]

Lol. Yep. As long as someone's getting paid who gives a fuck about anything else!

That's it! I'm starting my own Youtube, Instagram, Snapchat, Pinterest, Twitter, Facebook, etc... channels. Most of these guys are not even good marketers. I bet I can make more than them. But nobody would ever know because I'll create another persona so as not to taint any of my others with the garbage I get payed to spew.

 

[Sparky413]

https://cannabis-science-consulting.com/flushing-cannabis/

that's not what I'm referring to when i said "fade". I used the wrong terminology. I'm not sure how to explain it, are you familiar with the natural marijuana flowering cycle, where the leaves naturally yellow and fall off? That's what i'm talking about, when you don't get that because you are overfeeding you are going to have too much chlorophyll and chloroplast in the leaf material that you smoke that is all around the bud, and is going to take longer to cure

 

[xtsho]

The tobacco growers taught us about Chlorophyll and drying. They take their drying much further than we take ours. To the point they have to add back natural sugars. By not taking our drying that far we retain more of the carbohydrates. Which leads to a better tasting smoke.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296517/

"The first curing step common for all tobacco types is the “yellowing stage,” which is the color change that results from chlorophyll degradation that starts as soon as the green leaves start to dry."

You don't need to starve your plant. The normal drying process removes chlorophyll. But I would postulate that smoking a green pigment isn't harsh. Harsh smoke is usually related to water retention in incompletely dried Cannabis.

I hope that helped.

Some of the best tasting weed I've ever smoked was the Humboldt County stuff we were getting back in the late 70's and early 80's. It was all green. Grown, dried, and sold. None of it was cured. It had better flavor than the Thai we were getting which had to cross the ocean and probably took a couple months to get here. The fresh weed tasted better but that Thai was some damn potent stuff. The Hawaiian tasted better as well and wasn't cured either. I think most of it got here from being smuggled by flight attendants. They didn't have drug sniffing dogs back then and they were domestic flights not international anyway. That stuff was damn good.