Advanced nutrients, ph question.

[Rookiefarmer1]

I'm using advanced nutrients hobbyist range. Just wondering if anyone using this range can answer my question. I'm in week 5 flower, so using sensi bloom part A and b, b-52 and big bud at this stage, just wondering if anyone has noticed a specific ph level that works best for taking up these nutes? Iv read that some people change their ph during flower because some of the nutes/bloom boosters prefer a lower or higher ph for their uptake, not sure if this is true or not? My buds just look a little small at this stage so I'm wondering if they've got a lock out or something? My feed solution is around 6.3 without adjusting it but iv tried it at everything between 6.3 and 6.6, so not sure if I should increase it or decrease it My run off ph is 6.3-6.5 pretty much always, no signs of excess or difficiency in the leaves but the buds have just not grown for over a week now, or is this normal?
Also I have a pretty decent exhaust fan and have it on highest setting, intake fan, and 3 oscillating fans so I have pretty good circulation, my rh stays around 60 during lights on, and about 62-65 during lights off, temp is around 28-30 lights on, and 27 lights off. Light is a sf1000, just one plant under it in a 2x2 tent. Any suggestions welcome

 

[Failmore]

Picks or it didn't happen...

Week 5 or 6 buds should be mostly filled out. Then you wait for them to finish. Should be starting to feed less and less now. Plant is not as hungry. First few weeks are the heavy growth periods.

Soil grow?

Ph sounds fine tho

 

[Rookiefarmer1]

Yes soil, bio-bizz light mix. I'll post a pic now

 

[Rookiefarmer1]

They were taken a day or two ago, thinking of starting an overdrive a week early, don't know if this well help boost them a bit, it's supposed to but the chart im using says to Start feeding it in a weeks time so I'm only a week early on it if I start using it now

 

[Failmore]

They look ok. On the hi side for N. Little in the dark side.

Tips are starting to burn and some of your pistals turned brown already.

Did it get hot in there maybe?

Buds have not even started to fatten up yet so you got a long way to go. 6 weeks or more.

They seem to not like something your doing. My guess is to much stuff in there. If your following the feed schedule exactly it was probably to much.

 

[Rookiefarmer1]

I started out on half dose, and it took it ok, so increased it little by little, have u heard of a slurry test? I was told to do this rather than test runoff because apparently its a more reliable way of checking what nutes the plant is taking in. Heard this from a pretty reliable source who's been growing for many years so took their word for it. Ppm in my solution is around 1400, in the slurry test its 450, I was thinking it looks a little dark too, I'll cut back on N see if this helps. It never goes above 3oc in there and never below 27 so I wouldn't say its extreme, I dunno maybe 30 is a little hot for it

 

[Failmore]

I'm a hydro guy so not sure if your numbers are good for soil.

Just my opinion but I find when we as growers start to try and add a bunch of extras it always causes problems.

I tried AN and never got it to work. Always had issues that I could not explain. Burnt crispy leaves and what not.

Went simple nutes no extras and my problems went away.

If you keep it simple you will always know the problem because you only put basically 2 things in and in small amounts. So when you see yellow add more.

 

[Rookiefarmer1]

Really? Your literally the first person iv heard say that, never heard a bad word about AN tbh, I was growing with just a simple npk fertiliser, grow and bloom and that was it, because that was my aim, to keep it simple, but it didn't work out, I upgraded everything in the set up for this grow, but buds still seem fairly small. So I can't see what it could be other than nute problems, maybe I'll just take the feed down and see what happens then, cheers for that

 

[Tangerine_]

You shouldnt be adjusting the pH with AN. Those base nutes have enough chelators and with RO water should come out to around 5.6-5.8.

Also, nutrients are 4th in terms of variables that determine a quality harvest. Genetics and environment play a much bigger role.

Your plants look fine to me. They'll likely fill in as much as they can under that light but I'd drop that B-52. You dont need the additional N

 

[Tangerine_]

Really? Your literally the first person iv heard say that, never heard a bad word about AN

I'm not opening that can of worms because around here, its akin to dropping blood in a shark tank but just search Advanced Nutrients on any grow forum and then decide for yourself.

 

[Rookiefarmer1]

You shouldnt be adjusting the pH with AN. Those base nutes have enough chelators and with RO water should come out to around 5.6-5.8.

Also, nutrients are 3rd in terms of variables that determine a quality harvest. Genetics and environment play a much bigger role.

Your plants look fine to me. They'll likely fill in as much as they can under that light but I'd drop that B-52. You dont need the additional N

Thanks for your reply tangerine. I wasnt adjust the ph at first, it was 6.3 in my solution consistently. I kept it there until I started thinking the buds were growing slow, so I played with it a bit to see if it made a difference but nothing so far, so do you suggest I just leave it at the 6.3 and not touch it? Maybe I'm just being impatient, only my 2nd so I'm still a bit panicky

 

[Rookiefarmer1]

I'm not opening that can of worms because around here, its akin to dropping blood in a shark tank but just search Advanced Nutrients on any grow forum and then decide for yourself.

That's what I did to be honest, searched all the forums. And that decided it for me

 

[Tangerine_]

Thanks for your reply tangerine. I wasnt adjust the ph at first, it was 6.3 in my solution consistently. I kept it there until I started thinking the buds were growing slow, so I played with it a bit to see if it made a difference but nothing so far, so do you suggest I just leave it at the 6.3 and not touch it? Maybe I'm just being impatient, only my 2nd so I'm still a bit panicky

They look fine. Just keep on doing what you're doing.

 

[Gjames0531]

What strain? Sativa or indica? Week 5 in guessing sativa, or sativa leaning.

I've used Sensibloom for years now and have anyways ended up adding ph down to get to 5.9-6.1 but I'm a coco grower, been off soil for about 5 years now. The self buffering of AN purification only gets me down to 6.3-6.4 with my groundwater. I pull about 32-38 zips out of a 4x4 with a 1000 at hps and 7 gallon smart pots. I do use big bud, bud candy, and overdrive the last 2 weeks.

 

[Fahn2k]

I used Advanced Micro, Grow, Bloom, Overdrive and Flawless Finish on my first grow. I added Recharge by real growers and molasses and Everything was perfect for a first grow. On My second grow I added Piranha, Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, Rhino Skin and B-52 and stopped checking PH. So far I wouldn't trade my advanced for any other nutrient line. Your buds are ok just be patient they have a ways to go. You'll see a lot of growth during the last three weeks, right now you got babies. Just wait and don't jump the gun. Consider trouble shooting your environment to make sure it's all good. Moving your light up 3-6 inches can make a difference if the leaf tips are browning. Overdrive is similar to Floralicious or mighty bloom so don't go adding bloom boosters without checking the ingredients you may end up double dosing with out knowing it. Recharge helps to unlock nutrient lock and helps balance PH, while helping the beneficial microbes in your soil. Recharge is expensive, but you can buy $3 packets, you really don't need it after week 5 or 6 but it can help as a one time measure.

 

[Tangerine_]

I used Advanced Micro, Grow, Bloom, Overdrive and Flawless Finish on my first grow. I added Recharge by real growers and molasses and Everything was perfect for a first grow. On My second grow I added Piranha, Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, Rhino Skin and B-52 and stopped checking PH. So far I wouldn't trade my advanced for any other nutrient line. Your buds are ok just be patient they have a ways to go. You'll see a lot of growth during the last three weeks, right now you got babies. Just wait and don't jump the gun. Consider trouble shooting your environment to make sure it's all good. Moving your light up 3-6 inches can make a difference if the leaf tips are browning. Overdrive is similar to Floralicious or mighty bloom so don't go adding bloom boosters without checking the ingredients you may end up double dosing with out knowing it. Recharge helps to unlock nutrient lock and helps balance PH, while helping the beneficial microbes in your soil. Recharge is expensive, but you can buy $3 packets, you really don't need it after week 5 or 6 but it can help as a one time measure.

If you're using Recharge, dont waste your money on Piranha, Voodoo, or Tarantula.
Actually, dont waste your money on any of AN bennies. Analysis have shown you're just paying for water.
There are additional reports for the other two but I dont have them handy on this laptop. I'm sure they're still available on ODA site.

 

[Fahn2k]

If you're using Recharge, dont waste your money on Piranha, Voodoo, or Tarantula.
Actually, dont waste your money on any of AN bennies. Analysis have shown you're just paying for water.
There are additional reports for the other two but I dont have them handy on this laptop. I'm sure they're still available on ODA site.

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Thanks and I appreciate the info, but here's my thoughts on that. You can always find a way to prove a point through analysis. ODA doesn't specialize in weed and so although they can say Whats in a sample of nutrients they cant say to what effect on the particular plant those numbers represent. Advanced has been around for awhile and like other companies has won various awards along the way for their nutrient blends. So it's not what's in one single bottle that matters, instead it's what ends up in your feed and in your plant when using the complete system. There may be better solutions out there as far as nutrients go, but it's a trade off. I chose Advanced because I wanted the PH perfect technology, it works under a set of conditions. Those conditions are that you use compatible products! My brothers use Advanced too and have been using them since at least 2006 or so. One thing they found is that you cant mix Advanced with other nutrient lines and expect the PH to be perfect, it won't be. Another is when you premix Advanced the PH will change over night, so I mix my nutrients just to cover what I will use on a single feed. It works. Canna has a similar PH balanced product line but it's not as simple as Advanced. As a new grower myself I wanted to keep everything simple to start and as I get more experience I will look at different things. One day I will try the Canna Line, but I have to know enough to be able to see a difference in growth or quality. My first grow was fantastic, but that may be a fluke. I need to get three or four consistent grows before I can say I know what I'm doing. Also I want to build up to using the complete line of nutrients. Then I can compare results between brands. The it's all water argument can be said for many products but doesn't explain the cost of research and development of a product that has to work for every environment, with all the different things that be be mixed in, marketing, etc. Then to back it all by a 100% moneyback guarantee on every product they sell.

As far as Recharge is concerned I stumbled across it during my first grow when I thought I fucked up my plants and would lose the whole crop. It did what it said. It woke up my plants and reinvigorated them. I was so relieved I went back and bought a 16oz bag and tossed in a half teaspoon along with a teaspoon of Molasses once a week. You don't have to tell me whether or not it's actually beneficial, it wont matter. At this point it's a self created superstition, that I want it. And here's the big one....I gotta use enough of this shit to feeeel like I'm getting my money's worth! $40 for a 16oz bag aint no joke.

 

[Tangerine_]

You can always find a way to prove a point through analysis. ODA doesn't specialize in weed and so although they can say Whats in a sample of nutrients they cant say to what effect on the particular plant those numbers represent.

The analysis provided is not for nutrients. Its an independent analysis that lists the viability/efficacy of inoculants. "ODAs fertilizer program samples and analyzes products as part of its consumer protection role." Its up to individuals to use the info presented or continue to live in a bubble of cognitive dissonance created by very slick marketing. Consumers deserve to know if those organisms exist at viable concentration (as claimed on the label) or if they're being defrauded.

Advanced has been around for awhile and like other companies has won various awards along the way for their nutrient blends. So it's not what's in one single bottle that matters, instead it's what ends up in your feed and in your plant when using the complete system.

*SMH*

I chose Advanced because I wanted the PH perfect technology,

Like many nutrient companies, they've used the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and it didnt take the "27 PhDs" Big Mike claims to employ to accomplish it.

Look, AN base nutrients work. I never once claimed otherwise but a basic understanding of growing and chemistry goes a long way to keep growers from being fleeced.
Happy growing

 

[budman111]

Really? Your literally the first person iv heard say that, never heard a bad word about AN tbh,

You're new at this aren't you or you're name is Mike They are one of the most hated company around lol

 

[Fahn2k]

The analysis provided is not for nutrients. Its an independent analysis that lists the viability/efficacy of inoculants. "ODAs fertilizer program samples and analyzes products as part of its consumer protection role." Its up to individuals to use the info presented or continue to live in a bubble of cognitive dissonance created by very slick marketing. Consumers deserve to know if those organisms exist at viable concentration (as claimed on the label) or if they're being defrauded.

*SMH*

Like many nutrient companies, they've used the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and it didnt take the "27 PhDs" Big Mike claims to employ to accomplish it.

Look, AN base nutrients work. I never once claimed otherwise but a basic understanding of growing and chemistry goes a long way to keep growers from being fleeced.
Happy growing

Well I can't argue with anything you've said, and you did say it works. I figure that when choosing a nutrient you buy at a price point your comfortable with first. Consider ease of use second, then check reviews. Then you listen to experienced people and go from there. I think for me the marketing hype did play a role. Ph perfect, gorillas, spiders, fish skeletons and snakes, yeah that's pretty cool I'll try it.

So with all that said, what is what you would call a very good nutrient line? I'll be using Autopots on my future grows. One with a five gallon reservoir and one set with a 12 gallon reservoir. I'll have airports in each autopot and a waterpump in each reservoir. I don't want to have to measure ph everyday. I also don't want to mix different nutes from different companies.