legitimacy of strains in breeder crosses

BigSco508

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i agree it’s hard to tell in veg that’s why I’m not tripping yet but it’s doing things like producing 3 finger blades for a while I think today I spotted one 5 blade after two months

thats what made me go on said breeders page and look around .. I found a LAVENDER that looks identical it’s throwing 3 blade leafs in flower too ..this made me think when I purchased the clone he kind of was staring me towards the chem D cut .. but I was insistent on the so cal master I wonder why now

I could be totally wrong but I was always under the impression that so cal and bubba was similar this grows more like a og or chem .. I actually hope I’m wrong
Ah man maybe someone did a shit job marking them for him it happens but man that would really suck that is a whole different story it's kinda why i don't like shows with big tables of people swarming them and mofo's reaching over and under people for shit .

But for those prices their should be no mistakes , fakes, bugs, pm, HLVd nothing what so ever wrong cuts at those price ranges not that i think any cut should be dirty but those are tested for HLVd , and Verified prices for sure !
 

RancidDude

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That is the thing are sure it's the real cut ? Are you sure you know the difference between the 2 a fake or real deal not in flower incase you all didn't know it's kinda hard to tell

#2. Is the cut clean free of bugs pest's mildew etc etc. it's easy to buy cuts that go 1g to 2g for 1200 or 500 but those people willing to do that are few and far between need to know some one . Now him buying it directly from Top Dog or his table takes all the guess work out that is why those prices are what they are .
Exactly and some cuts also become infected. You gotta quarantine everything these days. I'm more down to share pollen than cuts to be honest. If I can't get the cut from who found it then I don't trust it. Just keeping it
 

thenotsoesoteric

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If I remember correctly, I read that Archive made that strain as a FUCK YOU to In-House because all they did was cross 2 of Archives strains to make it...Archive didnt see that as InHouse doing real breeding, so he made that version to piss them off....thats what i heard at least.
Archive made do si so, symbiotic made purple punch.
 

ComfortCreator

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It just isnt impressive to most people that someone grew a bunch of plants and selected out a really nice one to be grown again.

Through a bunch of hyped up marketing and a desperate desire to try and make a lot of money before the market fully saturates, folks act as if finding a great pheno is not only an incredible discovery, but something they deserve credit, praise, and lots of money for.

The truth is, people like to get high. And like anything else they wish they could get higher, or a different high, or some special high that never existed before. And to feed that never satisfied beast, an entire industry has grown up trying to "educate" everyone on what is good and what is not.

There are exceptional growers, and there are better and worse strains in each person's mind.

But what a fxxxxx joke that anyone believes they did anything more than select a nice plant and grow it over and over again. Yea. Whupdee.

On rare occasion, a strain survives its hype phase and lasts for several years. Even those fall out of favor, because the hype machine pretends there is something even more special, rare and amazing.

Really, there are some nice colors, nice flavors that have been found. But nobody, and no cut has redefined anything. It's all a mad scramble to try and get rich off the hype.

If you think about it, that amazing strain from yesterday is already old news, nobody wants it, it doesnt sell....lol. a total fxxxxx joke.

All those "owners" of the cuts are being greedy, believing they invented something. Trying so hard to keep it to themselves...they are the keeper of the pheno.

No sympathy from any stoner, anywhere, ever. These aren't doctors researching some undiscovered new compound. They are pot growers who grew an exceptional plant.

The belief that there is some protectable, patentable product is a joke of an inflated ego. Every owner of a "prized cut" deserves to have it copied and stolen...because it was never theirs in the first place.
 

Devils34

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It just isnt impressive to most people that someone grew a bunch of plants and selected out a really nice one to be grown again.

Through a bunch of hyped up marketing and a desperate desire to try and make a lot of money before the market fully saturates, folks act as if finding a great pheno is not only an incredible discovery, but something they deserve credit, praise, and lots of money for.

The truth is, people like to get high. And like anything else they wish they could get higher, or a different high, or some special high that never existed before. And to feed that never satisfied beast, an entire industry has grown up trying to "educate" everyone on what is good and what is not.

There are exceptional growers, and there are better and worse strains in each person's mind.

But what a fxxxxx joke that anyone believes they did anything more than select a nice plant and grow it over and over again. Yea. Whupdee.

On rare occasion, a strain survives its hype phase and lasts for several years. Even those fall out of favor, because the hype machine pretends there is something even more special, rare and amazing.

Really, there are some nice colors, nice flavors that have been found. But nobody, and no cut has redefined anything. It's all a mad scramble to try and get rich off the hype.

If you think about it, that amazing strain from yesterday is already old news, nobody wants it, it doesnt sell....lol. a total fxxxxx joke.

All those "owners" of the cuts are being greedy, believing they invented something. Trying so hard to keep it to themselves...they are the keeper of the pheno.

No sympathy from any stoner, anywhere, ever. These aren't doctors researching some undiscovered new compound. They are pot growers who grew an exceptional plant.

The belief that there is some protectable, patentable product is a joke of an inflated ego. Every owner of a "prized cut" deserves to have it copied and stolen...because it was never theirs in the first place.
1000% agree!

Anyone can buy 10 packs of a strain and pheno hunt and even find the SAME pheno these guys claim as their own......they did NOT BREED, they selected....major difference.

Take Burner for instance....and no disrespect because i envy his hustle, I envy that hes turning cannabis culture mainstream and making this plant we all love more accepted by the masses.......but I dont know if berner has EVER grown a plant himself.....just walks in a grow room, smells some plants, checks them out....then selects 1 and gives it a name that will be popular - thats it.

The funny thing about these "cookie" strains is imo none of them taste like any sort of cookies ive ever had lol.....before trying them I expected to taste chocolate chip cookies or some shit......kinda how blueberry tastes like blueberry (or at least used to).


Anybody can do what this guys done.....he was just smart enough to be one of the first to do it.
 

Devils34

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Sounds like some real hateship here. Somebody get ripped off by Berner or something?
Lol no hate at all....like I said I respect/envy his hustle 100%....but give any one of us 100 seeds of a strain and we could find the same shit he has....thats all im saying.

I have a marketing background, and Berner is a marketing genius no doubt!

Nothing but love here....but at the same time, not a huge fan of cookies
 

ComfortCreator

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1000% agree!

Anyone can buy 10 packs of a strain and pheno hunt and even find the SAME pheno these guys claim as their own......they did NOT BREED, they selected....major difference.

Take Burner for instance....and no disrespect because i envy his hustle, I envy that hes turning cannabis culture mainstream and making this plant we all love more accepted by the masses.......but I dont know if berner has EVER grown a plant himself.....just walks in a grow room, smells some plants, checks them out....then selects 1 and gives it a name that will be popular - thats it.

The funny thing about these "cookie" strains is imo none of them taste like any sort of cookies ive ever had lol.....before trying them I expected to taste chocolate chip cookies or some shit......kinda how blueberry tastes like blueberry (or at least used to).


Anybody can do what this guys done.....he was just smart enough to be one of the first to do it.
I couldnt agree more. Especially cookies. No, they never tasted like cookies, or girl scout cookies. And all the "newer" cookie strains are what, better? Oh now we hear cookies doesn't produce well, not that high a THC. So wtf? Lol. They "improved" it. Because it was really only OK in the first place.

I dislike even more when they make up a name that doesnt even try to make sense or is a joke in the first place. I saw Dragon Flame has a Charlie's Stank Ass strain. Really? They are so conceited and high they think they can call it that and I will bite? Hubris, and idiocy combined. I had a convo with the MMS guy about his "glory hole" strain. Lol a young industry full of fast cash crooks. Lol and his brand is "Mass Medical Strains"...and he has one called Anapbylaxis. Get...the "joke"? Stupid immature sxxx. He doesn't even pretend to care about his own brand name!
 

DrOgkush

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Lol no hate at all....like I said I respect/envy his hustle 100%....but give any one of us 100 seeds of a strain and we could find the same shit he has....thats all im saying.

I have a marketing background, and Berner is a marketing genius no doubt!

Nothing but love here....but at the same time, not a huge fan of cookies
I bet I give you 100 seeds and you don’t do what they did.

You have any idea the kinda work involved in what they did? It’s great read bro. For anyone. Winning phenos like that are not 1-100. That’s more like 1-1000000.
 

DrOgkush

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I couldnt agree more. Especially cookies. No, they never tasted like cookies, or girl scout cookies. And all the "newer" cookie strains are what, better? Oh now we hear cookies doesn't produce well, not that high a THC. So wtf? Lol. They "improved" it. Because it was really only OK in the first place.

I dislike even more when they make up a name that doesnt even try to make sense or is a joke in the first place. I saw Dragon Flame has a Charlie's Stank Ass strain. Really? They are so conceited and high they think they can call it that and I will bite? Hubris, and idiocy combined. I had a convo with the MMS guy about his "glory hole" strain. Lol a young industry full of fast cash crooks. Lol and his brand is "Mass Medical Strains"...and he has one called Anapbylaxis. Get...the "joke"? Stupid immature sxxx. He doesn't even pretend to care about his own brand name!
It’s just a pheno. Calm down man. They got the money and space to do it And I enjoy growing their weed
 

Devils34

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I bet I give you 100 seeds and you don’t do what they did.

You have any idea the kinda work involved in what they did? It’s great read bro. For anyone. Winning phenos like that are not 1-100. That’s more like 1-1000000.
If its that rare, why have I smoked 1000s of better strains??

Ive had some random shit from street dealers that amazed me way more than any cookies, gelato, or really ANY of today's popular strains.

Theyre popular because of the name, marketing and ppl they have to cosign them......not anything to do with how good the bud actually is.
 

ComfortCreator

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I bet I give you 100 seeds and you don’t do what they did.

You have any idea the kinda work involved in what they did? It’s great read bro. For anyone. Winning phenos like that are not 1-100. That’s more like 1-1000000.
You think any of the breeders have grown a million plants to find their winners?

Our whole point is what was already said. Sure there are a few real breeders out there but most today buy other peoples and cross them and call it their own.
 

Devils34

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It’s just a pheno. Calm down man. They got the money and space to do it And I enjoy growing their weed
Im chill man, this whole thread ive said I respect the mans hustle and shit.....i wasnt saying shit as disrespect.

Im glad you enjoy growing them, thats cool.

Im just not on that hype train....not to say I dont have any cookie crosses in my seed stash, because i definitely do.....im just pointing out that this pheno hunting shit isnt real breeding and honestly theres better phenos in older strains.

Its like back in the days, ppl would look for the lime pheno in chernobyl, well now its known as slymer and ppl claim to own the pheno.......nobody owned that pheno when tons of growers on this very forum were finding it.....and none of them claimed to own it lol

Now whatever plant I grow I can claim as a crazy pheno and say I own it and change the name to something marketable?? Thats stealing from the original breeder imo.
 

DrOgkush

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Iv seen facilities first hand and I’m not quick to talk shit about someone’s hard work. Essp when all of us here take some kind of pride in our work. I used jigga as example because he’s the hot name atm. I more appreciate the fact they put out these strains. Considering 99% of all smoke is hybrid.
it’s nice to have a game changer now and again

kush mints was mine lmfao not cookies
 

DrOgkush

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Im chill man, this whole thread ive said I respect the mans hustle and shit.....i wasnt saying shit as disrespect.

Im glad you enjoy growing them, thats cool.

Im just not on that hype train....not to say I dont have any cookie crosses in my seed stash, because i definitely do.....im just pointing out that this pheno hunting shit isnt real breeding and honestly theres better phenos in older strains.

Its like back in the days, ppl would look for the lime pheno in chernobyl, well now its known as slymer and ppl claim to own the pheno.......nobody owned that pheno when tons of growers on this very forum were finding it.....and none of them claimed to own it lol

Now whatever plant I grow I can claim as a crazy pheno and say I own it and change the name to something marketable?? Thats stealing from the original breeder imo.
No seeds are the same dude. So. No. It’s not stealing. If you make a cross. It’s yours. And I didn’t quote you. Plus. Your speaking of terps. Nobody created those
 

Devils34

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No seeds are the same dude. So. No. It’s not stealing. If you make a cross. It’s yours. And I didn’t quote you. Plus. Your speaking of terps. Nobody created those
My point is in the case of Slymer......that shit is a Pheno from Chernobyl...TGA Subcool.

People are claiming to own Slymer......they did NOT make that cross or any other cross......they literally are selling chernobyl under a different name...that is stealing.
 
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