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Connolly: The 1/6 Committee Is ‘Getting To The Bottom Of The Planned, Prepared Violence’

Congressman Gerry Connolly (D-VA) reacts to the latest batch of subpoenas from the January 6th select committee targeting right-wing extremist groups
 
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Barr’s Refusal To Back False Election Fraud Claims ‘Infuriated Donald Trump’: Jonathan Karl

ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent and author of “Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show,” Jonathan Karl joins Andrea Mitchell to discuss his interviews with key players in the Trump presidency, including Trump’s “loyal, basically personal, lawyer” former Attorney General William Barr. Karl describes how Barr “went and investigated Donald Trump’s crazy claims and unsubstantiated claims about election fraud, took them seriously, looked into them, and concluded that there was absolutely nothing to them.” Karl says Barr told him “these claims were total BS,” which “as you can imagine has infuriated Donald Trump.”
 
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Trump's lawyers accuse Biden of 'doing the bidding' of Jan. 6 panel
Lawyers for former President Trump on Wednesday accused President Biden of colluding with congressional Democrats in a partisan "fishing expedition" into the previous administration's handling of the Jan. 6 riot.

Trump's legal team filed a brief with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals Wednesday. In the brief, they argued that the efforts being made by the House select committee investigating the attack to obtain extensive White House records serve no valid purpose other than to damage the former president.

"There is little doubt President Biden is doing the bidding of a Congress controlled by his party. Appellees’ briefs are rife with political hostility," Trump's lawyers wrote. "The Committee is not tasked with a criminal or impeachment investigation of President Trump, nor is it tasked with determining the status or integrity of the 2020 election. Congress and the President are on a fishing expedition to find damaging information on their former and future political opponents."

The brief will likely be the final submission from either side ahead of oral arguments on Nov. 30 over whether Trump can use executive privilege claims to block the select committee from obtaining hundreds of pages of internal White House records from the National Archives.

Trump's lawyers argued on Wednesday that the Democrats' alleged political aims undermine their legal basis for seeking the documents, claiming that if the documents are turned over it would damage the executive branch's institutional standing.

"Here, the incumbent President’s personal political interests are aligned with the congressional majority, and his political objective will do grave damage to the integrity of our Republic’s constitutional structure if it is achieved," Trump's lawyers wrote. "The political animus shown by President Biden and his allies in Congress weighs against the unfettered deference towards the incumbent President sought by Appellees."
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Trump’s lawyers accuse Biden of ‘doing the bidding’ of Jan. 6 panel

Lawyers for former President Trump on Wednesday accused President Biden of colluding with congressional Democrats in a partisan “fishing expedition” into the previous administration&#82…
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Trump's lawyers accuse Biden of 'doing the bidding' of Jan. 6 panel
Lawyers for former President Trump on Wednesday accused President Biden of colluding with congressional Democrats in a partisan "fishing expedition" into the previous administration's handling of the Jan. 6 riot.

Trump's legal team filed a brief with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals Wednesday. In the brief, they argued that the efforts being made by the House select committee investigating the attack to obtain extensive White House records serve no valid purpose other than to damage the former president.

"There is little doubt President Biden is doing the bidding of a Congress controlled by his party. Appellees’ briefs are rife with political hostility," Trump's lawyers wrote. "The Committee is not tasked with a criminal or impeachment investigation of President Trump, nor is it tasked with determining the status or integrity of the 2020 election. Congress and the President are on a fishing expedition to find damaging information on their former and future political opponents."

The brief will likely be the final submission from either side ahead of oral arguments on Nov. 30 over whether Trump can use executive privilege claims to block the select committee from obtaining hundreds of pages of internal White House records from the National Archives.

Trump's lawyers argued on Wednesday that the Democrats' alleged political aims undermine their legal basis for seeking the documents, claiming that if the documents are turned over it would damage the executive branch's institutional standing.

"Here, the incumbent President’s personal political interests are aligned with the congressional majority, and his political objective will do grave damage to the integrity of our Republic’s constitutional structure if it is achieved," Trump's lawyers wrote. "The political animus shown by President Biden and his allies in Congress weighs against the unfettered deference towards the incumbent President sought by Appellees."
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Trump’s lawyers accuse Biden of ‘doing the bidding’ of Jan. 6 panel

Lawyers for former President Trump on Wednesday accused President Biden of colluding with congressional Democrats in a partisan “fishing expedition” into the previous administration&#82…
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good.

Nov 30 is the next speedbump on the road to learning more about Trump's activities to seize power and murder his political enemies.
 
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Appeals Court Order May Hinder Trump's Effort to Shield Docs From House Panel
A late-night federal court order could mean trouble for former President Donald Trump’s effort to assert executive privilege over documents targeted by a House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, NBC News reported.

The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Tuesday notified lawyers for Trump, the House panel, and the National Archives they should be ready to address whether the federal court even has the legal authority to hear the dispute, the news outlet reported.

"The fact that the [appeals] court is wondering about its own authority to take up the case is telling: Courts are typically protective of their jurisdictions," NBC News’ Pete Williams wrote.

The court cited a 2001 case involving a challenge to the plans for the World War II Memorial on the National Mall in Washington; Congress had passed a law saying no court could review the plans, Williams reported. An appeals court tossed the lawsuit.

"If the appeals court were to take similar action in Trump’s case, he could appeal to the Supreme Court. But if his lawsuit is ultimately dismissed, it would pave the way for the Jan. 6 committee to get documents from the Archives," Williams wrote.

According to NBC News, Tuesday night’s order also directed the lawyers to be ready to answer a second question: "If so, what effect, if any, do [those provisions] have on the subject matter jurisdiction of the district court to adjudicate any of the requests listed in the complaint’s claim for relief?"
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Appeals Court Order May Hinder Trump's Effort to Shield Docs From House Panel

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They're rated as good for facts, but slightly left biased. Which is about what one would expect.
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
https://adfontesmedia.com/washington-post-bias-and-reliability/
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Run Fox News through that search. The asshole said one was like the other but comps between Fox News and Wapo for accuracy and bias show they are not even close.

The truth doesn't matter to right wing assholes like @RobCat.

Fox News is to Wapo like shit is to shinola.
 
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Trump's lawyers accuse Biden of 'doing the bidding' of Jan. 6 panel
Lawyers for former President Trump on Wednesday accused President Biden of colluding with congressional Democrats in a partisan "fishing expedition" into the previous administration's handling of the Jan. 6 riot.

Trump's legal team filed a brief with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals Wednesday. In the brief, they argued that the efforts being made by the House select committee investigating the attack to obtain extensive White House records serve no valid purpose other than to damage the former president.

"There is little doubt President Biden is doing the bidding of a Congress controlled by his party. Appellees’ briefs are rife with political hostility," Trump's lawyers wrote. "The Committee is not tasked with a criminal or impeachment investigation of President Trump, nor is it tasked with determining the status or integrity of the 2020 election. Congress and the President are on a fishing expedition to find damaging information on their former and future political opponents."

The brief will likely be the final submission from either side ahead of oral arguments on Nov. 30 over whether Trump can use executive privilege claims to block the select committee from obtaining hundreds of pages of internal White House records from the National Archives.

Trump's lawyers argued on Wednesday that the Democrats' alleged political aims undermine their legal basis for seeking the documents, claiming that if the documents are turned over it would damage the executive branch's institutional standing.

"Here, the incumbent President’s personal political interests are aligned with the congressional majority, and his political objective will do grave damage to the integrity of our Republic’s constitutional structure if it is achieved," Trump's lawyers wrote. "The political animus shown by President Biden and his allies in Congress weighs against the unfettered deference towards the incumbent President sought by Appellees."
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Trump’s lawyers accuse Biden of ‘doing the bidding’ of Jan. 6 panel

Lawyers for former President Trump on Wednesday accused President Biden of colluding with congressional Democrats in a partisan “fishing expedition” into the previous administration&#82…
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verb
gerund or present participle: colluding
  1. cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.
How is the PotUS cooperating with a lawfully empowered panel collusion? It isn't a secret, and it's not illegal in any way i can see...
A better headline might be "Trump scrabbles madly to avoid revealing incriminating evidence."
 
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Fogdog said:
Run Fox News through that search. The asshole said one was like the other but comps between Fox News and Wapo for accuracy and bias show they are not even close.

The truth doesn't matter to right wing assholes like @RobCat.

Fox News is to Wapo like shit is to shinola.
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I don't disagree, was just pointing out information, use it as you will.
Same site rates fox as over three times as biased.
https://adfontesmedia.com/fox-friends-bias-and-reliability/
 
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I just read a story describing the notion that trumps people were told to purchase burner phones...with cash in the days before the sixth.

Burner phones? Cash? Oh but there was no plot to overthrow our government, it was all just a misunderstanding.
 
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Jan. 6 organizers used burner phones to communicate with Trump family, White House: report
Multiple sources told Rolling Stone that Kylie Kremer, an organizer for the rally that took place at D.C.'s Ellipse park, had an aide buy three burner phones a few days before Jan. 6. Kremer said that it was "of the utmost importance" that the phones be purchased with cash, one source, who was a member of the March for Trump team, told the magazine.

Kremer kept one of the phones herself, while another was reportedly given to her mother, Amy Kremer, who was also an organizer of the rally. Sources could not say who the third was given to.

According to Rolling Stone, the phones were used to communicate with high-ranking members of Trump's inner circle, including his son Eric Trump, daughter-in-law and former campaign official Lara Trump, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and former Trump surrogate Katrina Pierson.

Speaking of when Kylie Kremer bought the phones, the March for Trump member said, “That was when the planning for the event on the Ellipse was happening, she needed burner phones in order to communicate with high-level people is how she put it."

Rolling Stone reported last month that Trump White House officials and many of his GOP allies had been involved in the planning of the Jan. 6 rally, including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Madison Cawthorn (N.C.), Andy Biggs (Ariz.) and Louie Gohmert (Texas.).

Meadows, who was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on Jan. 6, was reportedly "100 percent made aware of what was going on,” according to planners of the rally. The committee has recently demanded to know whether Meadows was using a private cell phone on Jan. 6 and has asked where his text messages from that day are.
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Jan. 6 organizers used burner phones to communicate with White House: report

Organizers of the “Stop the Steal” rally that preceded the deadly Capitol attack on Jan. 6 allegedly communicated with members of former President Trump’s family and administratio…
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"Yes, we have nothing to hide or thought what we were doing was wrong."
 
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I love the Meadows troll quote. At least I am pretty sure it was him, basically something along the lines of 'Nobody that I am aware of was talking about the insurrection in the White House'.

Knowing how the trolls bullshit finger crossed loopholes work, I would point to them talking at a hotel about their bullshit insurrection would technically not be a lie. Nor would it be if he just asked to not be in the room when they talked about it.

These idiots think that they are clever with their 'plausible deniability' when the truth actually comes out. But they are not, and it should not be so easy for these dick heads to get away with it.
 
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hanimmal said:
I love the Meadows troll quote. At least I am pretty sure it was him, basically something along the lines of 'Nobody that I am aware of was talking about the insurrection in the White House'.

Knowing how the trolls bullshit finger crossed loopholes work, I would point to them talking at a hotel about their bullshit insurrection would technically not be a lie. Nor would it be if he just asked to not be in the room when they talked about it.

These idiots think that they are clever with their 'plausible deniability' when the truth actually comes out. But they are not, and it should not be so easy for these dick heads to get away with it.
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"It is not an insurrection unless you succeed."
 
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"It is not an insurrection unless you succeed."
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I'm no lawyer so this is speculation.

First paragraphs of Wikipedia page on the insurrection act:

The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law[1] that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion.

The act provides a "statutory exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which limits the use of military personnel under federal command for law enforcement purposes within the United States.[2][3]

Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse. As part of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, these provisions are now codified as amended.

There are Constitutional exceptions to Posse Comitatus restrictions rooted in the President's own constitutional authority. Defense Department guidelines describe "homeland defense" as a "constitutional exception" to Posse Comitatus restriction, meaning that measures necessary to guarantee National Security from external threats are not subject to the same limitations.

Trump didn't publish a proclamation ordering the Jan 6 rioters to leave. I think maybe Trump knew the law when he asked everybody to go home in peace. It was hardly a proclamation or order.
 
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I'm no lawyer so this is speculation.

First paragraphs of Wikipedia page on the insurrection act:

The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law[1] that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion.

The act provides a "statutory exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which limits the use of military personnel under federal command for law enforcement purposes within the United States.[2][3]

Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse. As part of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, these provisions are now codified as amended.

There are Constitutional exceptions to Posse Comitatus restrictions rooted in the President's own constitutional authority. Defense Department guidelines describe "homeland defense" as a "constitutional exception" to Posse Comitatus restriction, meaning that measures necessary to guarantee National Security from external threats are not subject to the same limitations.

Trump didn't publish a proclamation ordering the Jan 6 rioters to leave. I think maybe Trump knew the law when he asked everybody to go home in peace. It was hardly a proclamation or order.
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It was a joke. It is Trump logic.
 
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