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Antidote Man

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Hey, my mom impresses me. So do a lot of other women. The kind of women you're all defending, ande the establishments that own them, well I'll just shut up now..
 
Antidote Man

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I didn't dump pennies on the floor to look up their skirts. I did it to make them bend over further to try and get my cash. Don't ever think I'm going to agree with you that I'm the bad guy...
 
Budley Doright

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hanimmal said:
And yet she still got 5 million more votes after decades of trolling leading up to that election. I for one would have liked to see how it would have went if there were not selectively timed drops to crowd out important events in news cycles. Every single time something truly important happened there would simultaneously be something out to attack Clinton while giving something for trolls to deflect about Trump to bury the actual real story that was reported on.

Like the day that Obama came out and warned Americans about Russia attacking our election, Trump's attempted rape confession video landed and Clinton had emails 'leaked' by the Russian military.
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Yes I’m sure that played a part as well ;).
 
Antidote Man

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I strongly disagree. But i dont see why you should care so much... You decide what matters to you and how you behave and I'll do the same..
 
HGCC

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Fogdog said:
To people who call themselves "Progressives", I ask -- how many difficult elections did they win? When "Progressives" start winning in contested districts, then I'll take them more seriously. What Bernie in 2020 represented to me was four more years of Trump. Biden is socially to the right of me and he wasn't my first choice but he was the only one in the field of Democratic primary challengers who could beat Trump. Elections are about choices, not simply what I want.
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Well in all fairness, that's a high bar to clear given that what makes the district difficult or competitive is that it leans center or conservative normally. It depends what you call progressive and all that jazz.

I do agree that Biden was the best choice given the situation. Don't think he was really anyone's first choice, and that plays out now as nobody really strongly backs him. I firmly back "not trumplicans" but that's different than supporting someone.
 
Antidote Man

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A guy I know walked into a bar one night and asked for an 'Apocalyptic Citrus Bomb'. The bartender said he'd never heard of it before. The guy rattled off a long list of ingredients. The bartender hopped around gathering them up, finally, he made the drink. But the guy was gone. Smartest customer of the night. 6 people there that night weren't so lucky, some asshole state troopers met their quota. The bar tender paid his rent. A few lawayers took home a bit more. A judge got a semi hardon under his robe. And, because, really, thats the point.

Don't believe that one either..
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Some people would rather die stupid and ignorant, remember the truth will set you free, but it sometimes requires a brain to comprehend it. It ain't freedom they seek, it's FREEDUMB and for many it leads to death, we see it in the news everyday as over a thousand die in the USA, most are unvaxxed and are republicans. Omicron should go through them (and the rest of us) like shit through a goose, if people are double vaxxed they might get a milder case, if not, it could be a rough ride, the boosted should do ok though. I expect almost all the unvaxxed to be infected by spring, omicron is more infectious than chicken pox, so no mask and no vaxx means dead meat. An N95 will still protect people quite a bit and might be wise indoors at public places.
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Yeah a university in NY just shut campus down because of 500 omicron cases. We are in uncharted territory and i can only imagine once it hits the immunocompromised a lot of death. I hope not, hope for the best but expect the worse.
 
Fogdog

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HGCC said:
Well in all fairness, that's a high bar to clear given that what makes the district difficult or competitive is that it leans center or conservative normally. It depends what you call progressive and all that jazz.

I do agree that Biden was the best choice given the situation. Don't think he was really anyone's first choice, and that plays out now as nobody really strongly backs him. I firmly back "not trumplicans" but that's different than supporting someone.
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Yes, it is a tall order today. That's what I mean when I ask the question regarding where have they won? Right now, "Progressives" only win in safe Democratic districts. I'm OK with "Progressives" taking on established Democrats and unseating them. That said, "Progressives" winning an election in a borough in New York by displacing an established Democrat with , for example, AOC, did nothing to help retake the House. It was won back by moderate Democrats who beat a right wing Republican in a difficult elections. Without those wins, no Jan 6 investigation. No Build Back Better bills. We'd have little done except infighting. So, yeah, I lean left but I'm OK with this moderate administration. For now.

This country is drifting away from conservative ideology. Eventually people who support "Progressive" causes will be seen as more mainstream and perhaps then "Progressive" leaders can win in what we now call purple districts. " I don't oppose their policies, I oppose the scorched earth morality they create when they pick up and leave because they can't have everything they want right now. That kind of thinking gave us George W in 2000 and 2004, then gave us Trump in 2016.

If she were still running when the primary came to Oregon, I would have voted for Elizabeth Warren. I didn't think she could beat Trump or Biden but I wanted to give her my vote to show my support and perhaps add to her political capitol so she would have more influence. I think she was hands down the better "Progressive" compared to Bernie. But she got what? Maybe 2% of the votes in the primaries before she pulled the plug? I didn't choose her to win a popularity contest. In primaries, I vote for who I want and I vote tactically in the general election.
 
HGCC

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Fogdog said:
Yes, it is a tall order today. That's what I mean when I ask the question regarding where have they won? Right now, "Progressives" only win in safe Democratic districts. I'm OK with "Progressives" taking on established Democrats and unseating them. That said, "Progressives" winning an election in a borough in New York by displacing an established Democrat with , for example, AOC, did nothing to help retake the House. It was won back by moderate Democrats who beat a right wing Republican in a difficult elections. Without those wins, no Jan 6 investigation. No Build Back Better bills. We'd have little done except infighting. So, yeah, I lean left but I'm OK with this moderate administration. For now.

This country is drifting away from conservative ideology. Eventually people who support "Progressive" causes will be seen as more mainstream and perhaps then "Progressive" leaders can win in what we now call purple districts. " I don't oppose their policies, I oppose the scorched earth morality they create when they pick up and leave because they can't have everything they want right now. That kind of thinking gave us George W in 2000 and 2004, then gave us Trump in 2016.

If she were still running when the primary came to Oregon, I would have voted for Elizabeth Warren. I didn't think she could beat Trump or Biden but I wanted to give her my vote to show my support and perhaps add to her political capitol so she would have more influence. I think she was hands down the better "Progressive" compared to Bernie. But she got what? Maybe 2% of the votes in the primaries before she pulled the plug? I didn't choose her to win a popularity contest. In primaries, I vote for who I want and I vote tactically in the general election.
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Fully concur.

That last sentence in particular.
 
Antidote Man

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I didn't hang out there. I walked in the door, threw them all over the floor and walked out. Like a total asshole. Without the bruises or the cocktail to be taken down by cops with a dwi. (They don't even serve alcohol at strip clubs here)

But right now we're discussing politics and the vast ways we can settle our minds into the repetition of what we already know about the world and how we might change it collectively. Progressive is a funny word. There are progressive conservatives also. I am progressivley looking for ways to shut out political discussions from my life in hopes to admire whats real beyond the illusions of human being interaction hidden through language games.

So i guess if there's nowhere else for me to stand up and defend myself i'll quietly walk away with a better picture of how many of you douchebags see things. Leaving my pennies on the floor..
 
injinji

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Antidote Man said:
I value myself enough to know what kind of deals im making and who's responsible, how much, and how so. Misogyny has nothing to do with it. I merely understand there are diferent women who will do diferent things for differnent reasons on the same scale of quality. I've known lowly women and watched them try and get me to feed their coke habits. Its sad its like this but I'm not going to let those people get me that easily. For those of you that don't get it, good riddance.
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There was a lady on Fresh Air yesterday who wrote a veggie Korean cookbook that went into her mother's life as a sex worker after the war. She was talking about how her mom would go through the dumps on the American bases and find half eaten hotdogs and hamburgers. Later when she was married and could eat pretty much what ever she wanted, she always wanted cheeseburgers because of the good feelings those half ate burgers gave her when she was young.

I think it will be a really good read. Plus you get all the recipes too.
 
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